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Posts: 646 Join date: 2008-06-25 Age: 31 Location: Fresno, California, USA
 | Subject: Re: Phantom Succubi Sun Aug 03, 2008 1:34 pm | |
| Yes, I do. I do agree, I think all the parts that refer more towards Phantom Demons (the general family that Phantom Succubi fall under) should be removed, and saved for a post of their own. Maybe after the Phantom Succubi are complete, build the idea of the Phantom Demon around them, so that it's more compatible? _________________ " Common Sense tells us, 'If it isn't broken, don't fix it!'." " Scientific Method tells us, 'If it isn't broken, break it and figure out how it works!'." " Quantum Mechanics tells us, 'If it can be fixed, it isn't really broken!'." ------------------------------------------- For a larger version of my avatar, see http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9602/quantummechanicsxn2.jpg |
|  | | gwadahunter2222 Hero


Posts: 1381 Join date: 2007-12-08 Age: 26
 | Subject: Re: Phantom Succubi Sun Aug 03, 2008 1:42 pm | |
| I think if there is a part of the wiki speaking about the demon as a race yeah it could be used to describe a subspecie. _________________ I can call the snows, and wind, and lightning. The trees may bend to me when I ask. The rivers may flow where I ask them to. But I am granted these things because I ask , with respect in my heart, and I am willing to offer something in return. I request only the barest needs for myself and my people.
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|  | | Sean Okotami Hero


Posts: 1373 Join date: 2008-01-20 Age: 19 Location: Shinnos
 | Subject: Re: Phantom Succubi Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:07 pm | |
| Phantom Succubi are a reclusive race of demons living in the gloomiest, and creepiest planes of Hell. They are not very numerous in Hell, or anywhere for that matter. They are quite an oddity among demons. In appearance, a Phantom Succubus will look like a normal Succubus, but emmanating an aura that gives them a ghostly feel or sort. They usually have dark tones, most commonly dark gray. This applies to their skin, hair, and eyes. Phantom Succubi are in average 100' tall. However, the size varies a lot between individuals. Most Phantom Succubi have psychotic-like behavior. They are usually playful, but their fun gravitates often around malicious acts, sadistic practical jokes, and dark humor. For this reason, they are known as Trickster Demons, usually referring to the obscenely life-threatening "jokes" they tend to pull on mortals. They are also curious and fascinated by the behavior of other demons. Because they are usually cut-off from other demons, they are very interested on how a "city demon" react in general, as they are unpredictable and twisted. For some odd reason, Phantom Succubi come out to the public more often on a particular day that is celebrated every year on a backwater planet of no importance. Phantom Succubi are masters of illusions. Their illusions are so realistic that they can be used as potential weapons. Getting out of a Phantom Succubus' illusion is all but impossible, mainly because their way of thinking is so foreign to most races. Their illusions can range from simple duplication, to pseudo-reality altering, limited only to the target's perspective. However, they are not without their flaws. Phantom Succubi all have weak physical attributes for demons. Phantom Succbus' strength, speed, agility, senses, stamina, and durability would be classified as merely peak human abilities in average. Compared to that of most Succubi, this is sub-par. Phantom Succubi' illusions aren't made of common magic illusions most mortals use. They are actually born from a certain immaterial phantasm they create. Because of this method, normal dispel magic doesn't work well against their illusions. Instead, anti-ghost or spirit magic must be used. Phantom Succubi can also turn immaterial like ghosts. However, instead of becoming immaterial the same way spirits do, they become a living illusion, a sort of phantasm without substance. They indeed turn into the same phantasm they produce to create their deadly illusions. In this state, they have complete control over their non-physical form, allowing them to shape their body however they please. The downside to this is that, while immune from physical harm, they can't physically harm anything anymore. In addition, they are very vulnerable to many forms of magic. In particular, dispel types of spells, which are capable of harming them in this form. However, they still can solidify their phantasm to become pseudo-semi-tangible. In this state, they can still shape-shift, but it is only limited to body shape in that form, no longer their full appearance, and they are now vulnerable to both physical harm and dispel magic. As solid phantasm, they can only use illusions to return to immaterial phantasm. A Phantom Succubus can only turn into solid phantasm by turning into immaterial phantasm first. The same applies for the reverse process. Phantom Succubi are voracious, and usually feeds on anything small, mainly mortals and souls. They uses their skills at manipulating illusions to attract their preys. Even when becoming human-sized, and looking like a human, they can still pull off a very stretchy and strong digestive track to eat you even if you are about the same size when they solidify in phantasm state. Their digestive track, like that of other Succubi, are very strong and neutralizes magic. Also, if they turn into immaterial phantasm when they have eaten something, whatever they ate will become immaterial phantasm as well. Interestingly enough, will vulnerable to magic in that state, it doesn't work from the inside. Alright, removed any indication of Phantom Demons, so it only applies to Phantom Succubi now, and explained how their illusions work a bit. _________________ "I don't need an excuse to act or think." - Sean Okotami
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|  | | gwadahunter2222 Hero


Posts: 1381 Join date: 2007-12-08 Age: 26
 | Subject: Re: Phantom Succubi Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:41 pm | |
| It's better | Quote: | Most Phantom Succubi have psychotic-like behavior. They are usually playful, but their fun gravitates often around malicious acts, sadistic practical jokes, and dark humor. For this reason, they are known as Trickster Demons, usually referring to the obscenely life-threatening "jokes" they tend to pull on mortals. They are also curious and fascinated by the behavior of other demons. Because they are usually cut-off from other demons, they are very interested on how a "city demon" react in general, as they are unpredictable and twisted. For some odd reason, Phantom Succubi come out to the public more often on a particular day that is celebrated every year on a backwater planet of no importance.
Phantom Succubi are masters of illusions. Their illusions are so realistic that they can be used as potential weapons. Getting out of a Phantom Succubus' illusion is all but impossible, mainly because their way of thinking is so foreign to most races. Their illusions can range from simple duplication, to pseudo-reality altering, limited only to the target's perspective. However, they are not without their flaws. Phantom Succubi all have weak physical attributes for demons. Phantom Succbus' strength, speed, agility, senses, stamina, and durability would be classified as merely peak human abilities in average. Compared to that of most Succubi, this is sub-par. Phantom Succubi' illusions aren't made of common magic illusions most mortals use. They are actually born from a certain immaterial phantasm they create. Because of this method, normal dispel magic doesn't work well against their illusions. Instead, anti-ghost or spirit magic must be used. |
I suggest you to remove this two paragraphs and keep them to developp the race of the phantom demons. Because when it will be add in the wiki some parts will be removed, so to keep many of your ideas make two short valid entris
By example: "Phantom Succubis:
Phantom Succubi are a reclusive race of demons living in the gloomiest, and creepiest planes of Hell. They are not very numerous in Hell, or anywhere for that matter. They are quite an oddity among demons.
In appearance, a Phantom Succubus will look like a normal Succubus, but emmanating an aura that gives them a ghostly feel or sort. They usually have dark tones, most commonly dark gray. This applies to their skin, hair, and eyes. Phantom Succubi are in average 100' tall. However, the size varies a lot between individuals.
Phantom Succubi can also turn immaterial like ghosts. However, instead of becoming immaterial the same way spirits do, they become a living illusion, a sort of phantasm without substance. They indeed turn into the same phantasm they produce to create their deadly illusions. In this state, they have complete control over their non-physical form, allowing them to shape their body however they please. The downside to this is that, while immune from physical harm, they can't physically harm anything anymore. In addition, they are very vulnerable to many forms of magic. In particular, dispel types of spells, which are capable of harming them in this form. However, they still can solidify their phantasm to become pseudo-semi-tangible. In this state, they can still shape-shift, but it is only limited to body shape in that form, no longer their full appearance, and they are now vulnerable to both physical harm and dispel magic. As solid phantasm, they can only use illusions to return to immaterial phantasm. A Phantom Succubus can only turn into solid phantasm by turning into immaterial phantasm first. The same applies for the reverse process.
Phantom Succubi are voracious, and usually feeds on anything small, mainly mortals and souls. They uses their skills at manipulating illusions to attract their preys. Even when becoming human-sized, and looking like a human, they can still pull off a very stretchy and strong digestive track to eat you even if you are about the same size when they solidify in phantasm state. Their digestive track, like that of other Succubi, are very strong and neutralizes magic. Also, if they turn into immaterial phantasm when they have eaten something, whatever they ate will become immaterial phantasm as well. Interestingly enough, will vulnerable to magic in that state, it doesn't work from the inside."
"Phantom demons:
Most Phantom demons uncluding the Phantom succubi have psychotic-like behavior. They are usually playful, but their fun gravitates often around malicious acts, sadistic practical jokes, and dark humor. For this reason, they are known as Trickster Demons, usually referring to the obscenely life-threatening "jokes" they tend to pull on mortals. They are also curious and fascinated by the behavior of other demons. Because they are usually cut-off from other demons, they are very interested on how a "city demon" react in general, as they are unpredictable and twisted. For some odd reason, Phantom Succubi come out to the public more often on a particular day that is celebrated every year on a backwater planet of no importance.
Phantom demons are masters of illusions. Their illusions are so realistic that they can be used as potential weapons. Getting out of a Phantom demons' illusion is nearly impossible, mainly because their way of thinking is so foreign to most races. Their illusions can range from simple duplication, to pseudo-reality altering, limited only to the target's perspective. However, they are not without their flaws. All Phantom demons have weak physical attributes for demons. Phantom demons' strength, speed, agility, senses, stamina, and durability would be classified as merely peak human abilities in average. Compared to that of most demons, this is sub-par. Phantom Succubi' illusions aren't made of common magic illusions. They are actually born from a certain immaterial phantasm they create. Because of this method, normal dispel magic doesn't work well against their illusions. Instead, anti-ghost or spirit magic must be used."
Here we solve the problem of page limits and all your ideas are kept  _________________ I can call the snows, and wind, and lightning. The trees may bend to me when I ask. The rivers may flow where I ask them to. But I am granted these things because I ask , with respect in my heart, and I am willing to offer something in return. I request only the barest needs for myself and my people.
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|  | | Sean Okotami Hero


Posts: 1373 Join date: 2008-01-20 Age: 19 Location: Shinnos
 | Subject: Re: Phantom Succubi Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:55 pm | |
| Okay.... _________________ "I don't need an excuse to act or think." - Sean Okotami
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|  | | gwadahunter2222 Hero


Posts: 1381 Join date: 2007-12-08 Age: 26
 | Subject: Re: Phantom Succubi Sun Aug 03, 2008 4:53 pm | |
| An advice when you have an iteresting idea. Try to make the shorter and clearer as possible if it's not the case divide it many short idea, because is very painful to see many of your ideas are removed  _________________ I can call the snows, and wind, and lightning. The trees may bend to me when I ask. The rivers may flow where I ask them to. But I am granted these things because I ask , with respect in my heart, and I am willing to offer something in return. I request only the barest needs for myself and my people.
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|  | | TheQuantumMechanic Temple scourge


Posts: 646 Join date: 2008-06-25 Age: 31 Location: Fresno, California, USA
 | Subject: Re: Phantom Succubi Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:03 pm | |
| | gwadahunter2222 wrote: | An advice when you have an iteresting idea. Try to make the shorter and clearer as possible if it's not the case divide it many short idea, because is very painful to see many of your ideas are removed  |
Really? Personally, I am okay with that, as long as it doesn't change the meaning of the idea, or take something important out so that it feels incomplete. If either of those two is the case, then yes, it becomes very painful/irritating to me.
... But if it is something like needing to shorten it so that it fits on a wiki page, without losing the 'spirit' of the idea, then that I am perfectly fine with. Which is why I do not have a problem with Karbo making small alterations, without asking me. As long as he understands what the idea is meant to be, and doesn't drastically change it into something else, tweaking it to make it shorter or a better fit for the world of Felarya is fine.
Now, changing a 'completed' concept into something else entirely... that, I would have a problem with.  _________________ " Common Sense tells us, 'If it isn't broken, don't fix it!'." " Scientific Method tells us, 'If it isn't broken, break it and figure out how it works!'." " Quantum Mechanics tells us, 'If it can be fixed, it isn't really broken!'." ------------------------------------------- For a larger version of my avatar, see http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9602/quantummechanicsxn2.jpg |
|  | | gwadahunter2222 Hero


Posts: 1381 Join date: 2007-12-08 Age: 26
 | Subject: Re: Phantom Succubi Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:23 pm | |
| I prefer to alter things by myself to avaoid to change too much "the spirit"  _________________ I can call the snows, and wind, and lightning. The trees may bend to me when I ask. The rivers may flow where I ask them to. But I am granted these things because I ask , with respect in my heart, and I am willing to offer something in return. I request only the barest needs for myself and my people.
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|  | | TheQuantumMechanic Temple scourge


Posts: 646 Join date: 2008-06-25 Age: 31 Location: Fresno, California, USA
 | Subject: Re: Phantom Succubi Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:43 pm | |
| | gwadahunter2222 wrote: | I prefer to alter things by myself to avaoid to change too much "the spirit"  |
*nod*
As a side note, I haven't forgotten about either of your Succubus threads. I have a few suggestions or ideas to offer, but I've got some other things I'm working on at the moment... for both of you.  _________________ " Common Sense tells us, 'If it isn't broken, don't fix it!'." " Scientific Method tells us, 'If it isn't broken, break it and figure out how it works!'." " Quantum Mechanics tells us, 'If it can be fixed, it isn't really broken!'." ------------------------------------------- For a larger version of my avatar, see http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9602/quantummechanicsxn2.jpg |
|  | | gwadahunter2222 Hero


Posts: 1381 Join date: 2007-12-08 Age: 26
 | Subject: Re: Phantom Succubi Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:47 pm | |
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|  | | TheQuantumMechanic Temple scourge


Posts: 646 Join date: 2008-06-25 Age: 31 Location: Fresno, California, USA
 | Subject: Re: Phantom Succubi Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:03 pm | |
| | Sean Okotami wrote: | | Most Phantom Succubi have psychotic-like behavior. They are usually playful, but their fun gravitates often around malicious acts, sadistic practical jokes, and dark humor. For this reason, they are known as Trickster Demons, usually referring to the obscenely life-threatening "jokes" they tend to pull on mortals. They are also curious and fascinated by the behavior of other demons. Because they are usually cut-off from other demons, they are very interested on how a "city demon" react in general, as they are unpredictable and twisted. For some odd reason, Phantom Succubi come out to the public more often on a particular day that is celebrated every year on a backwater planet of no importance. |
Just as a suggestion/request, maybe you could work something about them being "unusually cheerful during this time" in here? 
| Sean Okotami wrote: | | Phantom Succubi are masters of illusions. Their illusions are so realistic that they can be used as potential weapons. Getting out of a Phantom Succubus' illusion is all but impossible, mainly because their way of thinking is so foreign to most races. Their illusions can range from simple duplication, to pseudo-reality altering, limited only to the target's perspective. However, they are not without their flaws. Phantom Succubi all have weak physical attributes for demons. Phantom Succbus' strength, speed, agility, senses, stamina, and durability would be classified as merely peak human abilities in average. Compared to that of most Succubi, this is sub-par. Phantom Succubi' illusions aren't made of common magic illusions most mortals use. They are actually born from a certain immaterial phantasm they create. Because of this method, normal dispel magic doesn't work well against their illusions. Instead, anti-ghost or spirit magic must be used. |
Here's another suggestion; I would recommend changing "all but impossible" to something like "extremely difficult" or something along those lines. Partially because of my dislike of absolutes, but also because some people might mistake "all but impossible" for meaning the same thing as "impossible" and believe it to be very overpowered.
| Sean Okotami wrote: | | Phantom Succubi can also turn immaterial like ghosts. However, instead of becoming immaterial the same way spirits do, they become a living illusion, a sort of phantasm without substance. They indeed turn into the same phantasm they produce to create their deadly illusions. In this state, they have complete control over their non-physical form, allowing them to shape their body however they please. The downside to this is that, while immune from physical harm, they can't physically harm anything anymore. In addition, they are very vulnerable to many forms of magic. In particular, dispel types of spells, which are capable of harming them in this form. However, they still can solidify their phantasm to become pseudo-semi-tangible. In this state, they can still shape-shift, but it is only limited to body shape in that form, no longer their full appearance, and they are now vulnerable to both physical harm and dispel magic. As solid phantasm, they can only use illusions to return to immaterial phantasm. A Phantom Succubus can only turn into solid phantasm by turning into immaterial phantasm first. The same applies for the reverse process. |
This works much better as an explanation than the write-up you had previously, it makes sense and fits in very well with the overall concept.
| Sean Okotami wrote: | | Phantom Succubi are voracious, and usually feeds on anything small, mainly mortals and souls. They uses their skills at manipulating illusions to attract their preys. Even when becoming human-sized, and looking like a human, they can still pull off a very stretchy and strong digestive track to eat you even if you are about the same size when they solidify in phantasm state. Their digestive track, like that of other Succubi, are very strong and neutralizes magic. Also, if they turn into immaterial phantasm when they have eaten something, whatever they ate will become immaterial phantasm as well. Interestingly enough, will vulnerable to magic in that state, it doesn't work from the inside. |
This is also well done and makes sense, although I am slightly confused on that part that I bolded. Is it supposed to read "... while vulnerable to magic in that state, it doesn't work from the inside"?
| Sean Okotami wrote: | | Alright, removed any indication of Phantom Demons, so it only applies to Phantom Succubi now, and explained how their illusions work a bit. |
Good job. I'm not sure what more to add, they are starting to feel very complete. Again, a little more info about their society or the areas of Hell they live in would be nice, but that can always be fleshed out later, or in another post. Keeping the focus on the Phantom Succubi for now is a good idea until Karbo weighs in on them, I think.  _________________ " Common Sense tells us, 'If it isn't broken, don't fix it!'." " Scientific Method tells us, 'If it isn't broken, break it and figure out how it works!'." " Quantum Mechanics tells us, 'If it can be fixed, it isn't really broken!'." ------------------------------------------- For a larger version of my avatar, see http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9602/quantummechanicsxn2.jpg |
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