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PostSubject: fairy wings.   Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:26 pm

I REALLY need something specified here. fairy wings, I've read things about people just "tearing off" fairy wings like it's paper. I disagree. A wing is an appendage, therefore you cant just "tear it off" plus fairies are saturated with magic, you cant tell me there's not SOME form of protection. I really would like this specified, cus just having fairy wings being as easy to damage as pouring water on paper gives them a huge mortal weakness, at which point they'd be more along the lines of "prey" than predators cus they'd be much less weaker.


I just realized i came off as a slightly angry. no harm ment, i just had a conversation with someone about this subject. >.<
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PostSubject: Re: fairy wings.   Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:23 pm

Yes, wings are appendages. Very small, very fragile, very easily torn off appendages. Not unlike those of a real insect.

Besides, fairies are spoiled rotten. They could use a weakness or two.

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PostSubject: Re: fairy wings.   Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:42 pm

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Yes, wings are appendages. Very small, very fragile, very easily torn off appendages. Not unlike those of a real insect.

I don't think they'd be that easy. Remember, the wings have to be able to it the fairy and move at very high speeds, this suggests some degree of strength. I doubt that they'd be able to be 'torn off' with bare hands, aa knife or something would be needed.
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Besides, fairies are spoiled rotten. They could use a weakness or two.

Indeed, they could. *Hefts mist web bottle*
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PostSubject: Re: fairy wings.   Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:45 pm

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I don't think they'd be that easy. Remember, the wings have to be able to it the fairy and move at very high speeds, this suggests some degree of strength. I doubt that they'd be able to be 'torn off' with bare hands, aa knife or something would be needed.


Maybe for a human-sized fairy. A fairy at its smallest size would be only slightly more durable than an insect.

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PostSubject: Re: fairy wings.   Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:17 pm

Insect wings are generally pretty delicate, expecially at the joints, so I'd say if you had enough strength you might be able to tear one out of the socket, or at least disconnect it. And I think it's fair that they have this weakness too, their size-changing magic makes them one of the most powerful things, it's fair that they have a vulnerable spot to make up for it.
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PostSubject: Re: fairy wings.   Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:30 pm

Depends at what size their are at the time.

Your only going to be tearing the wings off a fairy when their tiny anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: fairy wings.   Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:31 pm

Fairies luckily aren't invulnerable so that they're not practically immortal, size-altering deities.

Carnivorous plants, lizards, what have you can hunt fairies by using the element of surprise and damaging their wings in the process. Wings are capable of being crumpled, shredded or amputated in order to handicap them. Does this mean that trying to catch one in your hand and pluck their wings off isn't a suicidal idea? No. They are fully capable of shrinking you and/or growing themselves out of that predicament if you're not prepared.

It seems totally viable and equalizing that they have a weakness to that extent. It isn't a super-exploitable vulnerability, but a logical one. Their top-tier magical abilities are stored in what is essentially a magical glass cannon.
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PostSubject: Re: fairy wings.   Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:36 pm

JohnDoe wrote:
Depends at what size their are at the time.

Your only going to be tearing the wings off a fairy when their tiny anyway.


I doubt that. If you could somehow avoid the fairy growing themselves or shrinking you (practically impossible, probably), they'd still be pretty weak. Insects lose their wings to other similar-sized creatures all the time, there's no reason for delicate things like faeies to have tougher wings to specifically give them even more of an unfair advantage.
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PostSubject: Re: fairy wings.   Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:50 am

makes sense. the magic helps, but to be fair, if a fairy grows in size, your no longer gonna be able to rip the wings off an 80ft tall fairy, at 6ft tall. the joint alone for their wings at that size would be difficult, strength increases with size, or natural strength at any rate. I dislike the wings being able to be torn like paper, plus, if a fairy lives long enough, it'd know how to defend it's wings anyway, so you cant just go *CHAAARGE!!! PLUCK! KILL!* its not that easy. even if another fairy tried to pluck another fairy's wings. so I agree with fish.
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PostSubject: Re: fairy wings.   Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:54 am

Archmage_Bael wrote:
makes sense. the magic helps, but to be fair, if a fairy grows in size, your no longer gonna be able to rip the wings off an 80ft tall fairy, at 6ft tall. the joint alone for their wings at that size would be difficult, strength increases with size, or natural strength at any rate. I dislike the wings being able to be torn like paper, plus, if a fairy lives long enough, it'd know how to defend it's wings anyway, so you cant just go *CHAAARGE!!! PLUCK! KILL!* its not that easy. even if another fairy tried to pluck another fairy's wings. so I agree with fish.


They're not paper. You won't tear them off at eighty feet tall if you're a human. You have nothing to worry about.
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PostSubject: Re: fairy wings.   Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:00 am

thats what i was hoping someone would say actually. i've argued with people who get the implication that fairy wings are super easy to tear off like that, and that's what made me want to post this, cus i believe it IS an issue that needs clarifying. BADLY.
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PostSubject: Re: fairy wings.   Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:07 am

Archmage_Bael wrote:
thats what i was hoping someone would say actually. i've argued with people who get the implication that fairy wings are super easy to tear off like that, and that's what made me want to post this, cus i believe it IS an issue that needs clarifying. BADLY.


If they were as easy to dismantle as rice paper, fairies wouldn't so much as fly around with them. They'd treat their wings like ceramic vases.

If it needs clarifying, someone is just not thinking with their logic hat on.
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PostSubject: Re: fairy wings.   Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:27 am

nonetheless this topic has now been discussed, and anyone who needs clarification can come here if they honestly need convincing.

i am pretty satisfied with what i have heard in this topic.
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PostSubject: Re: fairy wings.   Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:42 am

Well it's hard to say exactly how solid are a fairy wing.. For one I imagine that it would varies according to the species.
But in general they are certainly not like paper : they won't shred just because the fairy have flown quickly through a bush for example.
But it's clearly a weak point and if one had a chance at striking at a human-sized fairy's wings with a dagger, they would have no problem tearing them apart.
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PostSubject: Re: fairy wings.   Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:57 pm

One thing is clear: if you go against a fairy, attack her weak point - wings - for massive damage - bye bye magic -. I've played with this aspect: having my main fairy had her wings bent in an ugly way so she can't either fly or use magic. This makes a fairy an easy target for nearly everything, bad thing she's with experienced adventures.

But thinking of it, fairies should be very careful with their wings. After all, a bad move and they'll have to wait some days before their wings heal... that's if they aren't torn apart, which I think will take way longer, if the fairy doesn't lose them forever - I know the healing properties of the Felaryan soil, but still...

So unless you want them to look like that, fairies aren't godmodders - fortunatelly. Insects and carnivorous plants can take care of them easily, for example... and a good fairy hunter could do the same as well. Oh, and dridders too could find a way. Razz

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