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Raveolution Great warrior


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 | Subject: Max flying/running speed? Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:49 pm | |
| Because I've never seen this discussed before... and I hope I didn't miss anything? _________________ Innovations Under Fire, Inc. -==+ Tactics for survival, triumph and dire deterrence +==-
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|  | | rcs619 Moderator

Posts: 372 Join date: 2008-04-07 Age: 21 Location: Hanging out with Fiona in the Bulvon Wood
 | Subject: Re: Max flying/running speed? Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:34 pm | |
| | Raveolution wrote: | | Because I've never seen this discussed before... and I hope I didn't miss anything? |
Probably fairly fast. I mean, the giant creatures in Felarya aren't limited by the laws of physics that would make them impossible to support themselves. They aren't lumbering giants who shuffle along or anything. They can move about as good as a human of smaller size. Jumps, rolls, etc all seem to be fairly easy for them. So, I imagine the running speed of say, a 70ft tall human would be FAST. You'd need to figure out how long the stride of a running giant would be (lets assume a giant human, or elf here) and then figure out an average number of strides per unit of time that someone runs. Either way, it would be fast, very fast.
Centaurs...they'd be ridiculously fast, same with Harpies, especially when they're in their dives. I don't think fairies would be as fast, in terms of pure flgiht speed, since their entire bodies arent geared for flight like a harpy's...and fairies are terrible in terms of aerodynamics. They'd probably fly more akin to insects. Slower, but incredibly agile.
Nagas, im not sure about. From stories and such, it would appear they can slither at roughly the same speed a human of similar size can walk. I think in a straight race, a giant human would be faster than a naga of similar size...but I think nagas would have a lot more endurance, and that slithering would require less energy than running. Although, some snakes are extremely fast..so I wouldnt be surprised at all if a naga slithering at full speed was at least as fast as a similarly sized human/elf/etc.
Either way, you're looking at creatures that can run at or most likely over 100mph easily, and probably 400+mph with Centaurs._________________ My Stories, Drawings and Stuff: http://rcs619.deviantart.com/> "Go then. There are other worlds than these." - John "Jake" Chambers > "Something strange is going on in this land of magic and giant, topless, flesh-eating animal-women!" ~ GREGOLE |
|  | | Malahite Cog in the Machine


Posts: 2007 Join date: 2007-12-12 Location: Old World
 | Subject: Re: Max flying/running speed? Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:57 pm | |
| You realize rcs you're speaking centuars being half-way to the sound barrier, right? 400mph seems way too fast for my liking. 200, maybe 300 would probably be better. Fairies can outpace a running human, large or small. However, they're not likely to be able to keep up with a Centaur. They'd probably have a flight speed slightly above a running / slithering Predator. _________________ | Commander Fleyitch wrote: | | Ogryns. If we time it just right, the Eldar will all be going "What the..." just when what's left of the Company breaks cover over here and piles into them. No spreading out, no fancy stuff, just smash through. Let's see how those degenerate sophisticates handle a healthy dose of pure unreasoning violence. |
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|  | | rcs619 Moderator

Posts: 372 Join date: 2008-04-07 Age: 21 Location: Hanging out with Fiona in the Bulvon Wood
 | Subject: Re: Max flying/running speed? Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:06 pm | |
| | Malahite wrote: | You realize rcs you're speaking centuars being half-way to the sound barrier, right?
400mph seems way too fast for my liking. 200, maybe 300 would probably be better.
Fairies can outpace a running human, large or small. However, they're not likely to be able to keep up with a Centaur. They'd probably have a flight speed slightly above a running / slithering Predator. |
Im was just going by rough estimates. Either way, Centaurs would be incredibly fast. considering a giant bipedal pred could run at 100mph or more, the quadrapeds would be capable of incredable speeds. Especially centaurs, being half-horse and all.
Of course fairies could still easily outpace running humans. I said they were slower than harpies, not unbelievably slow.
Harpies now...I dont even want to think how fast they could be in a dive. I mean, predatory birds on earth can get up to incredible speeds. The fastest animal on the planet is a Peregrine Falcon afterall. 200+mph in a dive._________________ My Stories, Drawings and Stuff: http://rcs619.deviantart.com/> "Go then. There are other worlds than these." - John "Jake" Chambers > "Something strange is going on in this land of magic and giant, topless, flesh-eating animal-women!" ~ GREGOLE |
|  | | GREGOLE Survivor


Posts: 918 Join date: 2007-12-09 Age: 19 Location: Heckville
 | Subject: Re: Max flying/running speed? Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:12 pm | |
| | Quote: | You realize rcs you're speaking centuars being half-way to the sound barrier, right?
400mph seems way too fast for my liking. 200, maybe 300 would probably be better. |
Just because it's impressive doesn't mean it's impossible.
I REALLY don't want to bring Toho monster logic into this discussion, but I don't think it's at all unbelievable that harpies could probably transcend the speed of sound while airborn.
We're talking creatures that have all the advantages of humans/animals and are HUGE, with none of the physical drawbacks. _________________ "Also I agree with Gregole. He's always right."
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|  | | Raveolution Great warrior


Posts: 562 Join date: 2008-03-29 Location: Zentraedi Macronization Chamber
 | Subject: Re: Max flying/running speed? Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:52 am | |
| | GREGOLE wrote: | | Quote: | You realize rcs you're speaking centuars being half-way to the sound barrier, right?
400mph seems way too fast for my liking. 200, maybe 300 would probably be better. |
Just because it's impressive doesn't mean it's impossible.
I REALLY don't want to bring Toho monster logic into this discussion, but I don't think it's at all unbelievable that harpies could probably transcend the speed of sound while airborn.
We're talking creatures that have all the advantages of humans/animals and are HUGE, with none of the physical drawbacks. |
Are you talking about a harpy transcending the speed of sound in straightaway pursuit, or in a diving attack? Couldn't a fairy cast a spell to enhance her flying speed? _________________ Innovations Under Fire, Inc. -==+ Tactics for survival, triumph and dire deterrence +==-
"Because the best way to escape a Felaryan predator's stomach... is to never be there in the first place!"
Because Rumor #75 is no friggin joke, y'all. Nor is #73. Or #37. And especially not #38.
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|  | | gwadahunter2222 Hero


Posts: 1381 Join date: 2007-12-08 Age: 26
 | Subject: Re: Max flying/running speed? Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:00 am | |
| | Raveolution wrote: | | Are you talking about a harpy transcending the speed of sound in straightaway pursuit, or in a diving attack? |
The predators don't interact with their environment at the same level as humans do. They are not really transcending any physical law only from the humans point of view but from their point of view they are moving normally.
| Raveolution wrote: | Couldn't a fairy cast a spell to enhance her flying speed? |
Some fairies are master of teleportation spells, so some could increase their speed in many ways too. In addition there is the scarlet elves who are able to increase their natural speed to. _________________ I can call the snows, and wind, and lightning. The trees may bend to me when I ask. The rivers may flow where I ask them to. But I am granted these things because I ask , with respect in my heart, and I am willing to offer something in return. I request only the barest needs for myself and my people.
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|  | | Malahite Cog in the Machine


Posts: 2007 Join date: 2007-12-12 Location: Old World
 | Subject: Re: Max flying/running speed? Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:17 pm | |
| As with Rav, I could maybe see a Harpy surpassing the sound barrier when in a dive. Maybe. Not standard flight. Even then one comes up with the issue of a sonic boom, which so far we have yet to see follow a Harpy's passing (to my knowledge). The size argument also doesn't work completely. For instance, compare a small house spider to a tarantula. The Tarantula is going to easily be well over ten times its size, yet it cannot easily run ten times as fast as the thing. They are the same type of animal, though (arachnid of the spider variety). I'm fine with Predators being fast, but coming close to the sound barrier is a bit much. _________________ | Commander Fleyitch wrote: | | Ogryns. If we time it just right, the Eldar will all be going "What the..." just when what's left of the Company breaks cover over here and piles into them. No spreading out, no fancy stuff, just smash through. Let's see how those degenerate sophisticates handle a healthy dose of pure unreasoning violence. |
"We die standing." |
|  | | gwadahunter2222 Hero


Posts: 1381 Join date: 2007-12-08 Age: 26
 | Subject: Re: Max flying/running speed? Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:20 pm | |
| A predator is not necessary incredibly fast but with it size it can cover easily a long distance in a few time. For example: if we suppose a giantess run at the same speed as human, the giantess will outrun the human not because she runs faster but due to the fact she has to do less steps to cover the same distance as the human does. _________________ I can call the snows, and wind, and lightning. The trees may bend to me when I ask. The rivers may flow where I ask them to. But I am granted these things because I ask , with respect in my heart, and I am willing to offer something in return. I request only the barest needs for myself and my people.
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|  | | rcs619 Moderator

Posts: 372 Join date: 2008-04-07 Age: 21 Location: Hanging out with Fiona in the Bulvon Wood
 | Subject: Re: Max flying/running speed? Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:22 pm | |
| | gwadahunter2222 wrote: | A predator is not necessary incredibly fast but with it size it can cover easily a long distance in a few time.
For example: if we suppose a giantess run at the same speed as human, the giantess will outrun the human not because she runs faster but due to the fact she has to do less steps to cover the same distance as the human does. |
Thats kind of obvious. But, because of the greater distance being covered, her speed, as registered by a human, would be close to, or above 100mph in a full run._________________ My Stories, Drawings and Stuff: http://rcs619.deviantart.com/> "Go then. There are other worlds than these." - John "Jake" Chambers > "Something strange is going on in this land of magic and giant, topless, flesh-eating animal-women!" ~ GREGOLE |
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 | Subject: Re: Max flying/running speed? Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:28 am | |
| | rcs619 wrote: | Thats kind of obvious. But, because of the greater distance being covered, her speed, as registered by a human, would be close to, or above 100mph in a full run. |
I think we will have the same result it was the speed of a human registered by a tinies or a neera. The 100mph is speed of the giantess from a human point of view but it wouldn't be the same from another giantess view.
The problem is not the speed but how it's registered, it's not with the current humans standard we will have the real speed of a predators. _________________ I can call the snows, and wind, and lightning. The trees may bend to me when I ask. The rivers may flow where I ask them to. But I am granted these things because I ask , with respect in my heart, and I am willing to offer something in return. I request only the barest needs for myself and my people.
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|  | | GREGOLE Survivor


Posts: 918 Join date: 2007-12-09 Age: 19 Location: Heckville
 | Subject: Re: Max flying/running speed? Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:24 pm | |
| | Quote: | | The size argument also doesn't work completely. For instance, compare a small house spider to a tarantula. The Tarantula is going to easily be well over ten times its size, yet it cannot easily run ten times as fast as the thing. They are the same type of animal, though (arachnid of the spider variety). |
Flawed argument.
A tarantula and a house spider are both spiders, but they're VERY different in terms of shape and build.
In addition, tarantulas and house spiders operate on the same level of physics, and it's already been proven that humans and giant predators don't. It would be entirely impossible for a human to survive at a scale of a hundred feet, yet giants do it all the time, and demonstrate roughly human-level reflexes. Thusly, giants operate with a set of physical laws which are identical to a human's, except scaled up.
Thusly, most species of harpies and fairies could indeed probably breach the speed of sound. The reason you don't hear anything about them generating sonic booms is because nobody thought to consider the fact that they would.
But then again, the community has a way of underestimating prettymuch everything that comes with great size. You know, what with giant characters being lighter than air, and flinching from weapons that shouldn't even trigger a nerve and all that. But if someone sat down and did the math, a harpy's airspeed would probably be close to or even greater than the speed of sound. _________________ "Also I agree with Gregole. He's always right."
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|  | | rcs619 Moderator

Posts: 372 Join date: 2008-04-07 Age: 21 Location: Hanging out with Fiona in the Bulvon Wood
 | Subject: Re: Max flying/running speed? Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:47 pm | |
| I have to agree with Gregole here. I mean, you're talking about massive creatures, who's size doesnt hamper them with physical limitations. Personally, I think a lot of the confusion on this thread is from people honestly not realizing how HUGE predators are. The largest animal, that we know of, to ever live on Earth is the Blue Whale. It is about 100ft long on average, and weighs about 100 tons. Now...lets look at Crisis, she's 70ft tall, and somewhere between 220 and 240ft long, and she'd weigh somewhere around 400 tons or more. These creatures are simply massive and their size alone grants them incredible speed by comparison. They are sometimes 2 or 3 times larger than the largest anime to EVER live on our planet. I mean, Fiona is only a couple feet short of being able to stretch out from goal line to goal line on an Football field (American football). For example...the average stride of a 6ft tall human is what? somewhere around 1.5 and 2 ft? lets simplify this and say 2ft, or roughly 1/3 of its height. Now, lets scale this up to a 70ft tall giantess/elf/fairy/whatever. You're talking about a creature that would be able to cover 20+ft in a single stride. That is just them walking normally too. The strides would only get larger and more frequent in a full on run. _________________ My Stories, Drawings and Stuff: http://rcs619.deviantart.com/> "Go then. There are other worlds than these." - John "Jake" Chambers > "Something strange is going on in this land of magic and giant, topless, flesh-eating animal-women!" ~ GREGOLE |
|  | | Malahite Cog in the Machine


Posts: 2007 Join date: 2007-12-12 Location: Old World
 | Subject: Re: Max flying/running speed? Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:07 pm | |
| Will concede spider argument. | GREGOLE wrote: | | Thusly, most species of harpies and fairies could indeed probably breach the speed of sound. The reason you don't hear anything about them generating sonic booms is because nobody thought to consider the fact that they would. | Or, an argument one can make to explain them never going that fast in stories, is that while they can reach such speeds, they're still human-like in reaction times.
Imagine a Fairy attempting to weave through the forest when it crosses roughly 60m (at least) in the time it takes them to react to something. They'd splat against a tree and 'explode' rather spectacularly. Similarly, it would be very detrimental to hunting prey because by the time they've realized they saw something they would have already notified it of their presence with a Sonic Boom and are going to spend more time turning around / bringing themselves to a stop.
I don't think a Harpy or Fairy could fly at such speeds, but then that's just because I don't like giving a whole species the capability to one-shot anything with a full-tilt punch. Seriously, going 333m/s and assuming the fist n' arm has 'only' the mass of a school bus leaves a punch over 550 megajoules in power. For comparison, a bus hitting you at 50mph is equal to about 2.5 Megajoules (So that one punch is akin to being hit by 220 buses moving at 50mph). Another comparison would be that this is comparable to roughly 200lbs of TNT going off in one's face (but less omni-directional).
I think they might be able to get close with magical aid, but flying supersonic or above naturally seems like a silly - as well as a pointless - ability in a Vore-centered universe.
| Quote: | | But then again, the community has a way of underestimating prettymuch everything that comes with great size. | I've seen quite the opposite. Such as Predators wading through 7.62mm NATO fire with the bullets bouncing off regular flesh, explosives from infantry anti-tank weapons only leaving minor burns (the flesh not even being breached), etc. simply because the skin must then be hundreds of times more durable than a human's.
| Quote: | | But if someone sat down and did the math, a harpy's airspeed would probably be close to or even greater than the speed of sound. | I - again - personally doubt it. At least outside diving extreme distances. If the can, I must again point out that it'd be horribly impractical and likely only be of use when a Harpy needs to "Get the hell away" from something.
EDIT: Their stride may be increased, but speed of the step itself? Right now, assuming that they make a step as fast as a human (roughly two-to-three each second), they're going to be going either 27mph or 40mph at a 20ft stride. Of course, this seems a bit silly. Especially only 20ft a stride. But then, a human only covering 1.5ft each stride seems silly also. Using math, it turns out the average male stride is about 31in. With the average male being something like 5'10" (or 70 inches), that's just shy of 1/2 the height... but that also makes about one stride a second at walking speed. Giving the Predators two to be generous, and at 1/2 their height (of 80ft we'll say for this debate) for 40ft each, we're speaking 80ft covered a second. This brings them up to... 54mph for walking speed.
Actually, I'll get to work on this now. If I do it with my own math (or have it shown to me step-by-step), I'll believe the numbers given._________________ | Commander Fleyitch wrote: | | Ogryns. If we time it just right, the Eldar will all be going "What the..." just when what's left of the Company breaks cover over here and piles into them. No spreading out, no fancy stuff, just smash through. Let's see how those degenerate sophisticates handle a healthy dose of pure unreasoning violence. |
"We die standing."
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Posts: 918 Join date: 2007-12-09 Age: 19 Location: Heckville
 | Subject: Re: Max flying/running speed? Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:15 pm | |
| | Quote: | Or, an argument one can make to explain them never going that fast in stories, is that while they can reach such speeds, they're still human-like in reaction times.
Imagine a Fairy attempting to weave through the forest when it crosses roughly 60m (at least) in the time it takes them to react to something. They'd splat against a tree and 'explode' rather spectacularly. Similarly, it would be very detrimental to hunting prey because by the time they've realized they saw something they would have already notified it of their presence with a Sonic Boom and are going to spend more time turning around / bringing themselves to a stop.
I don't think a Harpy or Fairy could fly at such speeds, but then that's just because I don't like giving a whole species the capability to one-shot anything with a full-tilt punch. Seriously, going 333m/s and assuming the fist n' arm has 'only' the mass of a school bus leaves a punch over 550 megajoules in power. For comparison, a bus hitting you at 50mph is equal to about 2.5 Megajoules (So that one punch is akin to being hit by 220 buses moving at 50mph). Another comparison would be that this is comparable to roughly 200lbs of TNT going off in one's face (but less omni-directional). |
The incredible force behind their punches would be balanced by the incredible durability that they would display.
Giant predators are identical to humans in every way, as far as their personal physics are concerned. This means that a giant's punch is identical to a scaled up human punch. And therefor, it does indeed have that much power behind it. By that same logic, all other Felaryan predators are as able to withstand a punch from their kin as they would if they were at a human scale.
The physics behind giant Felaryan predators is identical to a scaled up version of the physics behind humans. And those physics dictate that a harpy can probably reach supersonic speeds.
As for coordination, I'd like to point out that VERY few large birds fly at high speeds in the forest. Note that insects do, and note how fairies like to fly around at a smaller size to avoid ramming into them.
If you don't want to give them the benefits that come with great size, then why even make them huge in the first place?
YES, a punch from a giant hurts a helluva lot more than a punch from a human. That's because giants are a helluva lot bigger than a human. _________________ "Also I agree with Gregole. He's always right."
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