Size changing limit

vegeta002 · Subject: Size changing limit Sat May 02, 2009 9:30 am

The wiki says that if the target is too big, a fairy cannot change it's size. Does anyone know an average for that 'no change' size?

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gwadahunter2222 · Hero Posts: 1370 Join date: 2007-12-08 Age: 25

Karbo said beyond 12 ft the fairy had difficulty to change the size of the creature.

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vegeta002 · Subject: Re: Size changing limit Sat May 02, 2009 1:18 pm

Beyond 12ft? Would that put a 100ft creature in the 'cannot shrink' area?

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Malahite · Subject: Re: Size changing limit Sat May 02, 2009 2:03 pm

Yep. It would put most older predators (with the exception of Fairies who are <12' at the time of casting) immune to the shrinking capability, as well as a good deal of Fauna (such as the Kensha beast). It works most effectively against Demi-Humanoids.

However, in that regard such targets better hope to be magic resistant.

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gwadahunter2222 · Hero Posts: 1370 Join date: 2007-12-08 Age: 25

vegeta002 wrote:

Beyond 12ft? Would that put a 100ft creature in the 'cannot shrink' area?

No, as Mala said there is the magi resistance which play an important factors.
A fairy doesn't alter her size as she alter the size of the other creatures, in general the shrinking effect is temporary because she doesn't maintain it.

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Reptillian · Subject: Re: Size changing limit Sat May 02, 2009 6:17 pm

i thought, that fairies could shrink naga's and eat them???

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asaenvolk · Naga food Posts: 32 Join date: 2009-04-18

yhea a rare few, and they are supposedly rare can shrink 80ft+ critters.

gwadahunter2222 · Hero Posts: 1370 Join date: 2007-12-08 Age: 25

asaenvolk wrote:

yhea a rare few, and they are supposedly rare can shrink 80ft+ critters.

If what are you saying was true a group of fairies like that would be able to shrink an entire village into doll house

I quote Karbo from the thread My view on fairies it's the page 1 you can find here http://felarya.forumotion.com/dryads-and-fairies-f12/my-view-on-fairies-t582.htm

Karbo wrote:

Very interesting issues raised here ^_^

I never thought about the size-changing being a sort of dimensional magic but this is a great idea ! Smile

Fairies also have the ability to enlarge other creatures but past a point it become difficult. For the same reasons that they can't shrink a too large target.
It also must be mentionned that fairies don't possess more magic by being big than by being small.

GREGOLE wrote:

Another issue is what exactly counts as "too big"? At what point can a fairy not shrink a victim/opponent?

This varies a lot... Nemyra would have no problem to reduce Crisis to human size of course, but most fairies's magic don't work very well if the target is 12 feet or more.

This issue had been raised long time ago guys, but I think a clarifications is needed.
But if you read the wiki there is an explanation about the size shifting abilities of the fairies here: http://www.felarya.com/wiki/index.php?title=Magic

Please, read the wiki

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Jætte_Troll · Friend of the Jotun Posts: 1593 Join date: 2009-02-03

It sort of seems like a combination of magic power of the fairy and magic resistance of the target then.

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gwadahunter2222 · Hero Posts: 1370 Join date: 2007-12-08 Age: 25

Jætte_Troll wrote:

It sort of seems like a combination of magic power of the fairy and magic resistance of the target then.

As it's said in the main definition of Fairies in the wiki I quote:

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Almost all fairies also have the innate ability to temporarily alter the size of another creatures, though it depends a lot on the original size of the target and its magic resistance. For example, if the target is too big to start with the fairy will be unable to change its size at all. Felaryan fairies are voracious and love to snack on adventurers, usually after shrinking them.

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asaenvolk · Naga food Posts: 32 Join date: 2009-04-18

Have read it, more than once, and was takeing it from examples. But yes, its temorary, and who knows how meny they can keep shrunk, but by one story at least 2 willing targets.

http://randomdude678.deviantart.com/art/Rin-s-Adventures-Chapter-21-109087601

and just because its cute Karbo's pic of Rin

http://karbo.deviantart.com/art/Sunbathing-40278176

gwadahunter2222 · Hero Posts: 1370 Join date: 2007-12-08 Age: 25

asaenvolk wrote:

Have read it, more than once, and was takeing it from examples. But yes, its temorary, and who knows how meny they can keep shrunk, but by one story at least 2 willing targets.

http://randomdude678.deviantart.com/art/Rin-s-Adventures-Chapter-21-109087601

The numbers of target will depend on how skilled the fairy is but how many things a fairy can shrink it can not be beyond 12 ft, I don't invent it, it's what Karbo himself said a things is considered as "too big" for a fairy when it's beyond 12 ft

I read this chapter too and as I knew this point, Randomdude678 seems to write his story as he wants so he can follow or not what it can be said in the wiki because the story has started before the creation of the wiki. And the fact Kiki can shrink Rin can be explained by the fact her abilities have been boosted since the incident with the magical crystal.

asaenvolk wrote:

and just because its cute Karbo's pic of Rin

http://karbo.deviantart.com/art/Sunbathing-40278176

In this picture it's a giant size Rin and her Human friend Caïdence. Rin has never been shrunk in this picture.

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asaenvolk · Naga food Posts: 32 Join date: 2009-04-18

So, all I said here was a pic of Rin, never said anything beyond that. And how knows, all I said was that its happened and so what Kiki did it, maby because of the crystals maby because she supper excels at shrinking. I'm not arguing that most fairies should be able to shrink things larger than 12', hell even I admit in many ways fairies are over powered but, please we all read the darn wiki, its not a bible, stop thumping it.

gwadahunter2222 · Hero Posts: 1370 Join date: 2007-12-08 Age: 25

asaenvolk wrote:

So, all I said here was a pic of Rin, never said anything beyond that. And how knows, all I said was that its happened and so what Kiki did it, maby because of the crystals maby because she supper excels at shrinking. I'm not arguing that most fairies should be able to shrink things larger than 12', hell even I admit in many ways fairies are over powered but, please we all read the darn wiki, its not a bible, stop thumping it.

The reasons why I do that it's to avoid people consider canon verities where nothing state these.

Edit: I should thank you because after read the whole thread and the wiki again I see where people misunderstand the shrinking ability of the fairies.

I quote the first post to illustrate my point of view:

vegeta002 wrote:

The wiki says that if the target is too big, a fairy cannot change it's size. Does anyone know an average for that 'no change' size?

First all it's not what it's said in the wiki but this:

wiki wrote:

Almost all fairies also have the innate ability to temporarily alter the size of another creatures, though it depends a lot on the original size of the target and its magic resistance. For example, if the target is too big to start with the fairy will be unable to change its size at all. Felaryan fairies are voracious and love to snack on adventurers, usually after shrinking them.

I quote to highlight the important points many people overlook when they read this sentence, what people keep in just mind is this sentence if the target is too big to start with the fairy will be unable to change its size at all. except if you base yourself only on this sentence you will never understand how the ability works.

First all the fairy can alter temporarily on the original size and the magic resistance of the target, what does it mean ?
The target need to be relatively small and have a lesser magic resistance, because the bigger the target or the more important is magic resistance of the target the more difficult the fairies will be able to change its size. So a fairy can easily alter the size of a young naga or human specie but cannot for the giant ones why it's too big

The too big in the example doesn't refer to what a fairy consider as too big but the original size of the thing she want to alter, it's true a fairy can alter the size of giant weapon or object but the problem the magic resistance of objects and artefact doesn't work in the same way of the living being. Telling a fairies are overpowered by saying shrink any giant predators to human size is simply a misinterpretation of the original definition because the even if the fairy can be extremely powerful or skilled the factors which affected the quality of the shrinking spell are exteriors and independent to her ability and another point as any spell it can be countered or dispelled.

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