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PostSubject: Air Elementals. And Fire, Earth, and all the others missing   Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:34 am

Here we go with an idea for a new type of common elemental. The following types of elementals are frightfully devoid of any types.
fire - lava
earth - sand - rock
air
water - fog - ice
lightning
darkness

Let's fix that shall we?

Here's a basic, common air elemental.

Brizz

A rather nasty creature made out of a malevolent spirit that possesses Air , the Brizz represents the spirits of tornadoes and dust devils. Brizz are creatures that dwell in mountaintops, deserts, and plains, and they are rare in the actual jungles. During winter, they become more active and predatory and may float into the outskirts of it's usual territory to rend anything that comes near with claws of wind.

These creatures are intangible, and vary widely in size. The main commonality between all brizz is a low intelligence, and a hostile nature. They are hard to destroy through any means but magic. But even still, the magic has the likely chance of backfiring. Throwing earth into a Brizz just gives it debris to throw back at the caster, and a brizz set ablaze will incinerate whatever it envelopes.

Technically, one can kill a brizz by simply inhaling it, which also has the benefit of giving the "huffer" as they are sometimes called, the temporary ability of flight. However the risk of getting nasty cuts from the Brizz's claws usually outweighs the benefits.



Now I'm no expert on elementals so feel free to double check it for anything wrong.

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PostSubject: Re: Air Elementals. And Fire, Earth, and all the others missing   Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:46 am

Like I mentioned in chat, by nature it would seem that these little devils are more akin to a type of ghost that possesses air and uses it to cause trouble than a full-fledged air elemental... Hmm... However, I can't think of much of what an air elemental might be if it had a constructed body with intricate parts.
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PostSubject: Re: Air Elementals. And Fire, Earth, and all the others missing   Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:51 am

Well, I think a good deal of danger and body shape would be defined by the amount of debris being tossed around inside. I guess any intricate parts could only be picked out by a human viewer by seeing the dust.

That's actually an interesting thought... and elemental with organs and stuff made out of air, that magically all stay in correct shape and position... unless the winds are moving in the air elemental it's pretty much just a ghost...

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PostSubject: Re: Air Elementals. And Fire, Earth, and all the others missing   Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:16 am

Darkness (Unknown name)

Work from Shadows, and gain more power the closer an area is to a balance of light and dark. Where as exposing one to too much light is similar to strangling a person, exposing a Darkness Elemental to too much shadow / darkness is to drown it and cause it to loose it's grip on its form.

A Darkness Elemental is almost two-dimensional, and usually clings to surfaces like a shadow. Its form is malleable, and can stretch from almost 1/20th its true "area" (ex: a Darkness Elemental with a surface area of 20 square feet could shrink to nearly 1ft in square feet) to five times as much (the same elemental being capable of covering 100 square feet). To "attack" a creature it will attack its shadow, unnaturally eating away its length and mimicking what is lost. Once a creature's shadow is completely devoured, the Elemental may envelop the creature if it so desires - this is similar to being eaten by an extremely thin but intangible goo.

Darkness Elementals can mimic human-form, but due to their nature they never have a shadow - they are the shadow. Furthermore, their color does not change no matter how bright a light shined on them - they can only ever be illuminated so much. Lastly, they are impossibly light - though this does not make them any easier to remove from the ground, it does tip a careful observer off.

You cannot attack a Darkness Elemental successfully with conventional means. A Fireball will invariably cast shadows the creature can jump from, if being weakened by the suddenly point of light. The same holds true for lightning bolts. Your only means to combat a Darkness Elemental is to either banish the force animating the shadow-like creature, to contain it in some manner (having no noticeable mass, they cannot force their ways out of sealed containers with the exception of intelligent Spellcaster-Elementals), or to use their weakness to too much light and darkness.

This is just a rough idea, anyone who wants to add on or modify feel free to do so.

EDIT: Clarified one small error.

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PostSubject: Re: Air Elementals. And Fire, Earth, and all the others missing   Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:55 am

Well...we already have a darkness elemental, Déméchrelle, and the guardians had to band together to seal her away for good.

Although, evidance points to the idea that she is not a "natural" darkness elemental, but was made that way somehow. Either way, it makes me wonder if she was the only Darkness elemental in recorded history, or some kind of anomaly that isnt representative of Darkness elementals as a whole.

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PostSubject: Re: Air Elementals. And Fire, Earth, and all the others missing   Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:07 am

Some great ideas here ^_^
I'll be following this thread closely Smile

rcs619 : She is definitely not the only Darkness elemental. There is plenty of them. But obviously something went terribly wrong with her..
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PostSubject: Re: Air Elementals. And Fire, Earth, and all the others missing   Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:28 pm

Silent_eric wrote:


Brizz

A rather nasty creature made out of a malevolent spirit that possesses Air , the Brizz represents the spirits of tornadoes and dust devils. Brizz are creatures that dwell in mountaintops, deserts, and plains, and they are rare in the actual jungles. During winter, they become more active and predatory and may float into the outskirts of it's usual territory to rend anything that comes near with claws of wind.

These creatures are intangible, and vary widely in size. The main commonality between all brizz is a low intelligence, and a hostile nature. They are hard to destroy through any means but magic. But even still, the magic has the likely chance of backfiring. Throwing earth into a Brizz just gives it debris to throw back at the caster, and a brizz set ablaze will incinerate whatever it envelopes.

Technically, one can kill a brizz by simply inhaling it, which also has the benefit of giving the "huffer" as they are sometimes called, the temporary ability of flight. However the risk of getting nasty cuts from the Brizz's claws usually outweighs the benefits.


I agree with /fish/ they are ghost with air abilities than elemental. First all, the elemental are tangible they create a body with an element and air is tangible or the concept of air resistance wouldn't exist. the fact they throw back light and fast projectiles magic or not make sense because they redirect the move in the air but the heavier or the slower the projectie is the more difficult they will have to alter its move.

It's a good idea to defeat them by inhal them or a strong aspiration but it won't kill them but only damage their body. An explosion can be effective because it can blow away easily the air of their body.

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PostSubject: Re: Air Elementals. And Fire, Earth, and all the others missing   Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:58 pm

Well they definately aren't ghosts, what with missing the simple fact of having never been 'alive.' But I can see how the Brizz have some ghostlike properties. I would think air elementals have a long history of being mistaken for ghosts. Of course, when people have tried to preform an exorcism on an air elemental, it hasn't ended well!


Anyway, let's see if we can't address these issues to make the Brizz more definably elemental.

Like the Bramblewolves, or the Kudzu Python, the Brizz aren't a humanoid elemental. In fact, the Brizz is not even an animal. It most resembles an amoeba, with simple organs made of air.

Problem solved?



And now for debunking:

Ghosts can't possess air Fish. That's what the spirits that become elementals do.

Gwada, it never says that elementals have to be tangible. In the same way that you can move your hand through air, is the same way you can move it through an air elemental. However, I don't recommended that with a Brizz, as it's likely to eat your hand off!


However, I do agree that it can't lift heavy things extremely well, unless it was gigantic and powerful of course, and explosions would be effective against them. And unless you are quite a bit bigger than the Brizz, you won't be able to inhale the entire thing.

And I do like that idea Jætte. The only way to see a Brizz is by seeing it's shape through debris it's carrying in it's body. Of course, it's hard to tell weather a Brizz is heading straight for you, or if it's just an average sandstorm, or snow cloud. Most Felaryans get out of the way in either case.

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PostSubject: Re: Air Elementals. And Fire, Earth, and all the others missing   Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:49 pm

But I can't just do nothing but debate, so here's another elemental idea! A bit silly, but still.

Abomids

Strange creatures created by the random blasts of ice magic that emanates from Mount Berry, the tallest mountain in the Fairy Kingdom (The mountain was named by fairies first, and the name stuck). They are 1-foot tall yeti-like creatures that are made out of crystallized fruit juice. They're a delicious treat that's fun to eat if you enjoy the intense screams of horror emanating from a living foodstuff as you consume it. For some reason, most of the creatures in Felarya don't seem to mind. In fact, the mountain has a larger than average number of Snow Dryads, due to the increased prey

What these creatures are is a subject of intense debate. Theories range from a unique species of tiny, to a small golem. The working theory is that the strange magics of Mount Berry have caused elemental spirits to become trapped in the juices of the many fruit that grow on it's slopes, which explains why they aren't seen anywhere else. The elementals burst from their fruit fully formed. Many research teams have attempted to study these small creatures, to see whether they are intelligent beings, and if they have some sort of society structure, but the research has always failed once the team eats their subjects.

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PostSubject: Re: Air Elementals. And Fire, Earth, and all the others missing   Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:54 pm

Haha... running popsicles.

I had an idea just now...

Vapires

Vapors are a subspecies of water elemental, but due to their nature are often confused for air elementals. What they can be simply described as is a water elemental that is superheated, basically making it a steam elemental. Unlike most water elementals, they tend to like areas that are hotter, though still with adequate moisture.

They can range from large to small and can take a variety of shapes, usually a human shaped one for interaction with other species - though due to their turbulent nature it only resembles the outline of a human, really, with feature indistinguishable. Only the larger vapires are able to get a fairly realistic humanoid shape. Any attempt to touch one, however, will get you quickly scalded.

Vapires are not aggressive as a predator, not really needing food to sustain themselves - as long as there is enough moisture in the air they can keep their form. However, they tend to have hot blooded personalities. If you approach one in a friendly manner, it will probably be polite, but curt with you and be on it's way. If it feels like you are annoying, or insulting it, it will likely lash out and you will get a nasty steam burn. They will also chase you quite far if they don't catch you instantly, being very vindictive.

Perhaps this is warranted, due to a strange relationship with some more primitive societies on Felarya. Many of these groups do not have advanced machinery, though some have basic steam engines. Mining for coal on Felarya, however, is an unrealistic venture. What has been found, though, is if a powerful enough mage can bind a Vapire, they can be placed in a steam engine and controlled by that mage to power it, giving unlimited power due to the Vapire not dissipating and being constantly looped through the machine. This can be dangerous if the mage ever loses control, or dies naturally. The Vapire will burst from the machine in an impressive explosion and start wrecking revenge on it's captors. It is rumoured some people have actually befriended Vapires who do such tasks willingly, but that is fairly rare.

Fighting one is difficult due to their speed and intangible nature. One way is if you have a powerful ice mage who can cool the Vapire down - it will condense to a liquid form, in which it is helpless and inert. It will not be able to move again until it returns to a heat where it begins to turn back to steam - though, be warned, it can start to heat itself up naturally if the water is not cold enough. Safest is to turn it to a block of ice, where it is entirely helpless... until it starts to melt. Wind magic can also be used to temporarily protect yourself, but not for long.

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PostSubject: Re: Air Elementals. And Fire, Earth, and all the others missing   Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:38 pm

Silent_eric wrote:
Well they definately aren't ghosts, what with missing the simple fact of having never been 'alive.'


"Ghosts

A generic term referring to various types of immaterial and spiritual beings."

So ghosts don't have to have been dead to be a ghost.

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But I can see how the Brizz have some ghostlike properties. I would think air elementals have a long history of being mistaken for ghosts. Of course, when people have tried to preform an exorcism on an air elemental, it hasn't ended well!

Anyway, let's see if we can't address these issues to make the Brizz more definably elemental.

Like the Bramblewolves, or the Kudzu Python, the Brizz aren't a humanoid elemental. In fact, the Brizz is not even an animal. It most resembles an amoeba, with simple organs made of air.

Problem solved?


Simple elemental, fine.

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And now for debunking:

Ghosts can't possess air Fish. That's what the spirits that become elementals do.

Gwada, it never says that elementals have to be tangible. In the same way that you can move your hand through air, is the same way you can move it through an air elemental. However, I don't recommended that with a Brizz, as it's likely to eat your hand off!


"Elementals
Elementals can roughly be defined as spirits inhabiting nonliving matter, though they are infinitely more complex than that. For example, a water elemental isn't just moving water with a mind of its own! Once the matter is possessed by an elemental, it becomes the body of the creature and forms complex organs just like in a regular organic creature's body. It take days or weeks for an elemental to properly develop its body when it first inhabits it."

I don't know about that. Since the brizz seem incorporeal, with your hand moving through them as air, I still get a strong ghost image of them.

I can see air elementals having the ability to 'thin' their bodies to the point where something dangerous to them can slip through, but at the same time doing so could make their structure quite weakened. A balance sort of thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Air Elementals. And Fire, Earth, and all the others missing   Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:02 pm

Hm, why do I feel this is a change from what I last saw:
The Wiki wrote:
Most elementals shape their body like a human, but some use a very animalistic appearance. How intelligent and conscious an elemental is varies enormously from one specimen to another. There are some spirits barely aware of themselves, and some with a mind closer to a gods than a human.

I feel as though when I last read it, it was not "most" but "some".

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PostSubject: Re: Air Elementals. And Fire, Earth, and all the others missing   Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:28 pm

So the main problem is whether or not an air elemental has substance.

Personally, I think it would be like sticking your hand out of a moving car. You feel your hand go from calm air to wind with a fairly tangible area where you can tell the difference. Can you see what I'm trying to say here? I think this will have to come down to asking Karbo to be sure. This is an important distinction for elementals.

Are air elementals bodies of air that are 'compacted' into shape by magic. So they would be able to be touched? Solid air in other words?

Or are the more incorproeal. Wind itself in a more loosely defined form. Still with everything elementals have, like a mind, a shape, and a body, but a loose one that someone could walk through. If the elemental doesn't suck them up to their stomach when someone tries.

Or option three, it depends from one type of elemental to the next. The Brizz are incorporeal, but the Yashan, or whatever, are solid air.

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PostSubject: Re: Air Elementals. And Fire, Earth, and all the others missing   Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:37 pm

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Gwada, it never says that elementals have to be tangible. In the same way that you can move your hand through air, is the same way you can move it through an air elemental. However, I don't recommended that with a Brizz, as it's likely to eat your hand off!

An elemental create a body with an element to have a physical existance and so be tangible, if it wants to be intagngible there is no reason it makes a body with an element. Air is tangible because you can have a place empty with air where they can enter and air can be imprisonned or trapped or deformed which are not the case for something intangible. When you move you deform the ambient air, due to the fact your skin are less sensitive to the weak deformation you don't feel it necesary but there is a deformation.

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So the main problem is whether or not an air elemental has substance.

it's the main reason why a elemental create a body with an element.

Silent_eric wrote:
Are air elementals bodies of air that are 'compacted' into shape by magic. So they would be able to be touched? Solid air in other words?

the answer is yes.

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PostSubject: Re: Air Elementals. And Fire, Earth, and all the others missing   Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:16 pm

Jætte_Troll wrote:
Haha... running popsicles.

I had an idea just now...

Vapires

Vapors are a subspecies of water elemental, but due to their nature are often confused for air elementals. What they can be simply described as is a water elemental that is superheated, basically making it a steam elemental. Unlike most water elementals, they tend to like areas that are hotter, though still with adequate moisture.

They can range from large to small and can take a variety of shapes, usually a human shaped one for interaction with other species - though due to their turbulent nature it only resembles the outline of a human, really, with feature indistinguishable. Only the larger vapires are able to get a fairly realistic humanoid shape. Any attempt to touch one, however, will get you quickly scalded.

Vapires are not aggressive as a predator, not really needing food to sustain themselves - as long as there is enough moisture in the air they can keep their form. However, they tend to have hot blooded personalities. If you approach one in a friendly manner, it will probably be polite, but curt with you and be on it's way. If it feels like you are annoying, or insulting it, it will likely lash out and you will get a nasty steam burn. They will also chase you quite far if they don't catch you instantly, being very vindictive.

Perhaps this is warranted, due to a strange relationship with some more primitive societies on Felarya. Many of these groups do not have advanced machinery, though some have basic steam engines. Mining for coal on Felarya, however, is an unrealistic venture. What has been found, though, is if a powerful enough mage can bind a Vapire, they can be placed in a steam engine and controlled by that mage to power it, giving unlimited power due to the Vapire not dissipating and being constantly looped through the machine. This can be dangerous if the mage ever loses control, or dies naturally. The Vapire will burst from the machine in an impressive explosion and start wrecking revenge on it's captors. It is rumoured some people have actually befriended Vapires who do such tasks willingly, but that is fairly rare.

Fighting one is difficult due to their speed and intangible nature. One way is if you have a powerful ice mage who can cool the Vapire down - it will condense to a liquid form, in which it is helpless and inert. It will not be able to move again until it returns to a heat where it begins to turn back to steam - though, be warned, it can start to heat itself up naturally if the water is not cold enough. Safest is to turn it to a block of ice, where it is entirely helpless... until it starts to melt. Wind magic can also be used to temporarily protect yourself, but not for long.



It's a great idea except the fact they are not intangible but made of gas, vapor is water at gaseous form, you don't have necessary a mage to defeat them due to the gaseous property of their body explosive can be very effective.

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