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 |  Subject: Re: Pregnant?  Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:21 am | |
| well......that was my only idea.....  |
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| | Subject: Re: Pregnant? Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:30 am | |
| 1. We already know that there are male nagas.
2. We're talking about why there's fewer males.
3. Stop thinking about rape.
RRRRRRR! Fish is hostile! (must be that new roaming thuggishness)
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| | | | The Rev
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| | Subject: Re: Pregnant? Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:12 am | |
| I don't like rape, it starts with the letter 'r'. Maybe the male chromosome occurs less often in nagas.
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| | Subject: Re: Pregnant? Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:54 pm | |
| | The Rev wrote: | | I don't like rape, it starts with the letter 'r'. Maybe the male chromosome occurs less often in nagas. |
My theory a long time ago was that nagas have a 50% male birth rate just like humans, but they are instinctively aggressive and territorial against other male nagas in their generation. That way only most badassed 1% of them survive to adulthood.
Essentially, there's a lot more natural selection to make sure only the fittest male of a generation in a region can mate so that female nagas can be less aggressive and more cooperative in hunting, raising young and other... things we've seen them doing. 
Along those lines... The number of males who survive to giant status might be in the low single digits in all of felarya. Which is good, because a battle between them could destroy Tokyo. Though in the astronomically slim chance that Anna and crisis do meet a giant male, his theoretical aura of badassitude might be enough to make even Anna swoon.
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| | | | /Fish/
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| | Subject: Re: Pregnant? Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:25 pm | |
| | Feign wrote: | | Along those lines... The number of males who survive to giant status might be in the low single digits in all of felarya. Which is good, because a battle between them could destroy Tokyo. Though in the astronomically slim chance that Anna and crisis do meet a giant male, his theoretical aura of badassitude might be enough to make even Anna swoon. |
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| | Subject: Re: Pregnant? Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:50 pm | |
| Oh lawd, it's a gun show... 
Though it doesn't go into just how it is he got so beefy... So my theory could still hold.
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| | | | /Fish/
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| | Subject: Re: Pregnant? Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:55 pm | |
| Let me put it this way: If you're a naga of about two hundred feet in length and you do pull-ups for hours, how much strength does that take?
Plus he conspires with humans in exchange for vast amounts of protein supplement.
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| | Subject: Re: Pregnant? Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:01 pm | |
| | /Fish/ wrote: | Let me put it this way: If you're a naga of about two hundred feet in length and you do pull-ups for hours, how much strength does that take?
Plus he conspires with humans in exchange for vast amounts of protein supplement. |
Vast amounts indeed... I guess a giant naga wanting to beef up like that would otherwise have to eat villages at a time for that kind of protein intake.
Though to note, at least for human-sized nagas, my story will later have a male specimen that kind of goes into sharing his culture... And by that, I mean beating the bloody pulp out of Feign until he's rescued.
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| | | | TheQuantumMechanic
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| | Subject: Re: Pregnant? Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:44 pm | |
| | Feign wrote: | My theory a long time ago was that nagas have a 50% male birth rate just like humans, but they are instinctively aggressive and territorial against other male nagas in their generation. That way only most badassed 1% of them survive to adulthood.
Essentially, there's a lot more natural selection to make sure only the fittest male of a generation in a region can mate so that female nagas can be less aggressive and more cooperative in hunting, raising young and other... things we've seen them doing. |
I actually like that theory on a conceptual level. The details are a bit flexible (maybe the birthrate for male nagas is only 10-25% of the species, only a small percentage of which actually survive long enough to reach giant size). Their low numbers doesn't necessarily have to involve natural selection applied within their own species, either.
Look at it this way; Nagas and Dridders have been at war for "who knows how long", and regardless the experiences and feelings of an individual within those species, their societies are pretty strongly opposed. Maybe Dridders want to make Nagas extinct, as a measure of revenge for what happened to Sineria. A good way to do that would be simply wiping out all the males of the species, so maybe they go out of their way to kill male nagas that they find out about.
Now, if this particular theory holds true, male nagas not only have to contend with all the "normal" dangers of Felarya, but a force that is actively trying to eliminate them and is willing to expend a great amount of effort to do so. For a male naga to even reach adulthood in an environment like that would require uncommon skills and strengths even by giant naga standards; Anyone who lacks the ability to recognize their limits dies quickly. It's only those who not only have the ability to recognize their limits, but has the intelligence and drive to surpass them, that even stand a chance at survival.
| Feign wrote: | | Along those lines... The number of males who survive to giant status might be in the low single digits in all of felarya. Which is good, because a battle between them could destroy Tokyo. Though in the astronomically slim chance that Anna and crisis do meet a giant male, his theoretical aura of badassitude might be enough to make even Anna swoon. |
I think that's a bit on the unfeasible (even though we're talking in terms of fiction, yes) side, even in this scenario. Low double-digits (in the 20s or 30s, maybe as high as the 40s) seems more likely. After all, Felarya is a big place, and for all we know, there could be an island out in the middle of the ocean somewhere where the biggest issue giant male nagas face is a small population of female nagas.
I do think that the number of known male nagas is probably very, very small. Most giant predators will probably go their entire lives without seeing one; one of the fics I'm working on actually makes a reference to this, although it's more of an offhanded comment and not really associated with this theory.
I am somewhat partial to the "Giant Male Nagas are B-A-D-A-S-S, all in caps", not because of some innate trait they possess, but because they have to work harder at surviving than others. If a Dridder's normal response to a female Naga is to try and jump her if she thinks she can take the Naga by herself, and a Dridder's normal response to a male Naga is to run off, let everyone know that she just saw a male Naga in the area, and then come back with friends... A naga who has to survive a situation like that is going to develop skills and abilities beyond the typical.
Which means that as a natural sequence of events, when a giant male naga does manage to fight off a group of Dridders, the ones who survive/escape tell the others about it, and they only tend to try and attack a male naga in groups from that point on. The next male naga gets jumped by a group of Dridders, and either dies horribly, or manages to survive any way he can, and the cycle continues to repeat and weed out the "normal" ones.
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| | Subject: Re: Pregnant? Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:57 pm | |
| The only thing I know in general males live more risky than the females and they die more often and in addition of the life span which is very long, even if the birthrate of male and female was 50%, in the end there is always more female than male. It seems the first step to the immortality is to be the female of your specie 
| Quote: | | Now, if this particular theory holds true, male nagas not only have to contend with all the "normal" dangers of Felarya, but a force that is actively trying to eliminate them and is willing to expend a great amount of effort to do so. For a male naga to even reach adulthood in an environment like that would require uncommon skills and strengths even by giant naga standards; Anyone who lacks the ability to recognize their limits dies quickly. It's only those who not only have the ability to recognize their limits, but has the intelligence and drive to surpass them, that even stand a chance at survival. |
I think we can name this force ego
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| | | | TheQuantumMechanic
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| | Subject: Re: Pregnant? Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:44 pm | |
| | gwadahunter2222 wrote: | | The only thing I know in general males live more risky than the females and they die more often and in addition of the life span... |
Life expectancy, not life span.  The distinction is important.
| gwadahunter2222 wrote: | | ... which is very long, even if the birthrate of male and female was 50%, in the end there is always more female than male. |
Not always, but in regards to most organisms, what you said is accurate. The causes vary, but the end result is generally along those lines. For instance, the reasons human males have a lower life expectancy than human females (in most modernized societies) are primarily sociological.
Men take more risks, because society expects them to and is more accepting of it; Annually, the number of men in an American military force who die as a result of combat-related circumstances will always be higher than the number of females who die from the same. Barring some sort of freak occurrence, this trend will hold true until the many sociological causes behind the trend change (more women joining the military, it becomes more acceptable for women to hold front-line combat positions, etc.) In societies where women are less "valued", less "protected", and/or hold less power than the males, the life expectancy difference tends to be more equal, or favor the men.
For example, and this is not intended as any sort of attack on another culture, in many Middle Eastern and African societies (especially ones where the practice of "honor killing" is prevalent), males have a higher life expectancy than females. There are factors that impact a woman's life expectancy in those societies that are simply irrelevant to men in those same societies.
In many parts of China, the life expectancy gap between men and women is nearly non-existent; in those rural villages, everyone is expected to work hard and contribute to society, regardless of what they have between their legs. On the other hand, there are parts of China where the life expectancy for females is much lower than that of males, particularly the areas where abandoning a female child was a common practice not too long ago.
As a totally fictional example, take the Meltrandi and Zentraedi of Macross. Basically the same species, with an artificial division into gender-based "races". The Meltrans were all-female, and the Zentrans all-male. The life expectancy of the average Meltran warrior was at least three times that of the average Zentran warrior, despite the fact that combat-related deaths were common among both "races". Why? Well, it sure helped that the Meltrans were better trained, had better equipment, and were more ruthless than their male counterparts in general.
| gwadahunter2222 wrote: | | It seems the first step to the immortality is to be the female of your specie |
 Good advice in general, as long as you're not from a culture/species/whatever where the females are the ones with lower life expectancy.  I think my advice on the first step to immortality would be, "Know what the things most likely to cause your death are."
... The second step would be, "Avoid them at all costs!"
| gwadahunter2222 wrote: | | I think we can name this force ego |
Sure, if you subscribe to the theories of Fraud. ... Freud.
I meant Freud. Honest.
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| | Subject: Re: Pregnant? Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:46 pm | |
| | TheQuantumMechanic wrote: |
Life expectancy, not life span. The distinction is important.
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Sorry my english is poor 
I know all the example you quote, in general if we make both the man and the woman on the same step, in clear they have both the same chance. The woman will always search a way to avoid dangerous situation contrary to the man who won't hesitate to put his life in danger, as if it was an obligation.
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| | Subject: Re: Pregnant? Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:07 pm | |
| | gwadahunter2222 wrote: | | TheQuantumMechanic wrote: |
Life expectancy, not life span. The distinction is important.
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Sorry my english is poor |
Not a problem, I knew what you meant to say.
| gwadahunter2222 wrote: | | I know all the example you quote, in general if we make both the man and the woman on the same step, in clear they have both the same chance. The woman will always search a way to avoid dangerous situation contrary to the man who won't hesitate to put his life in danger, as if it was an obligation. |
I agree, in general. As I said, the causes behind that behavior are mostly sociological. In most cases, the man has been raised with the notion that he's supposed to "man up", and confront a situation directly... even if he knows it's not the best thing to do. It's not an absolute thing, since there are plenty of people who are smart enough to recognize a situation for what it is and handle it accordingly; even aside from that, there are people who just reject the roles others expect them to adhere to.
I guess one could consider Felarya the ultimate proving ground, in a way. You want to find out what kind of person you really are? Take a vacation to Felarya, and find out if your beliefs are really more important to you than your life is.
Edit: Although, I'm certain that there's a huge difference between the life expectancy of humans native to Felarya and "outsiders". Probably about as drastic as the difference in life expectancy between female and male nagas. Makes you wonder about some of the conversations that probably take place in Negav taverns.
"Hey, Sam."
"Hey, Ralph."
"So... you know that group of Miratans that was here last week?"
"Yeah, what ever happened to them, anyways?"
"Well, way I heard it, they were out exploring and it started raining."
"Yeah, so..?"
"I know, right? But get this- they went into a cave to stay dry."
"... Seriously?" "What kind of idiot goes traipsing into a freaking cave, instead of putting up with a little water?"
"I know, right?!"
"Poor, poor bastards." 
You've got to figure, the behavior of "newcomers" has to be puzzling to Felaryan natives sometimes. Puzzling, if not grimly amusing.
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| | Subject: Re: Pregnant? Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:05 am | |
| It's completely true
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| | Subject: Re: Pregnant? Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:04 am | |
| True enough, in the very least they could chuck a grenade inside first and see if the cave screams bloody murder or not.
The males, since they're so rare in numbers, would likely have to reproduce with multiple females at once. As such, they would likely be well rewarded for their survival into full adulthood. While they last, at least [Provided, of course, they are not in one of the Lesbianism-high areas].
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