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Raveolution

ZionAtriedes wrote:

Raveolution wrote:

ZionAtriedes wrote:

Now THAT is spam, there.

To be honest, I suppose it all depends on the context. If you're talking advanced civilizations, (assuming lack of Guardian response) of course they could defend themselves, for the most part.

As for the psionics/magic thing... I've been meaning to make a thread in Ideas Discussion that reconciles the two and explains the science behind their coexistence. I was thinking that they'd be very similar in nature, but not exactly so.

IIRC:

Psionics is a mental thing. Magic is a nature based thing.

That's how the science of psionics vs magic appears to me. I'm sure there's a hell of a lot more to it.

Well, yes. In my model, mages use more ambient energy form the physical world, whereas psionicists would tap into energy from a more "mental" realm (The Immaterium/Warp?). Also, the methods of execution would differ. Of course, there would be certain schools of magic or psi where the two lines blend a little. I think, however, that psionics may not be completely genetic. After all, one of my characters, Leif, is a natural psychic, but Zion learned psionic-like skills (though they more resemble "magic") through a scientific understanding of the methods behind psionics.

As for the telekinesis problem... Leif is telekinetic. Zion also has limited TK powers. However, neither of them have done anyhting like crush a pred's heart in their chest, or pinch an artery. I didn't want to overpower them, really. I explained it by saying that such feats take a little more concentration, and focus, something a pitched battle won't allow too much of. Both characters prefer to just send "waves" of TK force at their enemies, or occasionally do some throwing.

If you look at the science behind it, that makes sense, I think. In order to lift an object, you would have to envelop it in force (at least, in my interpretation of TK). In order to crush an unseen heart, you'd not only need to seriously direct the force, you would need to direct the force "past" the barriers between you and the target.

Wow. With all those limitations, I'd just shoot for the eyes. Through the eyes. To the brain. The eyes are a weak spot in most preds and a good sniper can hit that.

By your rules, what does it take to make a fireball?

With The Force (Star Wars), a well trained Jedi doesn't take mass into account (See the jerk who brought down a Star Destroyer). Mass is only an issue in the mind. I kind of like that approach (assuming one likens the Force to Psi).

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Malahite

Actually, (it's either the novel or the comic of "Force Unleashed",) Vader's Apprentice only guided the fall of a damaged Star Destroyer. He didn't actually pull it down. Which is the canon I'm going to stick with unless over-ruled, as otherwise he's the 2nd most powerful force user we've ever seen (second only to Palpatine himself).

Furthermore, "The Force" and "Psykers (40K)" are not 'true' psionics (in my mind) but instead something in between Magic and Psionics. Something like "The Master" from Fallout, Sylar from Heroes, stuff like those are what I consider 'real' Psionics. But again it's all your own perspective as to which counts, and the Wiki will be determined by who has a perspective Karbo likes / feels fits the realm most.

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Commander Fleyitch wrote:

Ogryns. If we time it just right, the Eldar will all be going "What the..." just when what's left of the Company breaks cover over here and piles into them. No spreading out, no fancy stuff, just smash through. Let's see how those degenerate sophisticates handle a healthy dose of pure unreasoning violence.

"We die standing."

ZionAtriedes

Malahite has a point. Every canon has its own view of psionics.

I think that mass should count, though. After all, according to Einstein, mass is a form of energy. And pretty much all views of magic/psi take energy into account.

And the reason I imposed such limitations of Leif's TK is because I didn't want him being like fricking Phoenix from X-Men (especially the X-3 movie version). Talk about godmoding. While he can, theoretically, rip apart a person's molecules, it would take concentration and energy. Of course, Felarya's "soil" seems to energize any creature...

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There is always a way to take down a predator it does not matter how big it is or strong it is there is a way to take them down, yeah there are things that god mode and that's BS but there isn't much you can do about it right. (that's the reason I'm not much of a fan for DBZ & X-men).

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ok, my idea on a good defense... eat lots of beans... XD

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zelda31 · Roaming thug Posts: 95 Join date: 2008-07-30 Age: 21

ok last time I checked darth vader is the most powerful force palpatine is eqaul to yoda in force potentcy but palpatine said in episode 3 that darth vader would be more powerful than both of them

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Yet his son bested him.

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zelda31 · Roaming thug Posts: 95 Join date: 2008-07-30 Age: 21

his son is eqaully as powerful as darth vader but stronger because vader gave into his greed luke didn't

Raveolution

Malahite wrote:

Actually, (it's either the novel or the comic of "Force Unleashed",) Vader's Apprentice only guided the fall of a damaged Star Destroyer. He didn't actually pull it down. Which is the canon I'm going to stick with unless over-ruled, as otherwise he's the 2nd most powerful force user we've ever seen (second only to Palpatine himself).

Furthermore, "The Force" and "Psykers (40K)" are not 'true' psionics (in my mind) but instead something in between Magic and Psionics. Something like "The Master" from Fallout, Sylar from Heroes, stuff like those are what I consider 'real' Psionics. But again it's all your own perspective as to which counts, and the Wiki will be determined by who has a perspective Karbo likes / feels fits the realm most.

In the most difficult canonical interpretation of psi, I just don't see how it can be difficult for a TKer to quickly push a giant eye into the brain and then squish some noodle within. Messing with the an should be enough to distract even a Crimson Maiden and stop their momentum. It could very well be the only short term defense against, say, a diamond naga.

On an unrelated note... does anyone know how to belly warp works? Does it work like the teleportation spell used by Felaryan angels?

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SuperPieGuy9

So basically this is a thread to discuss tactics on defending yourself in felarya right?

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Everything: Death Star, even to itself.

Impossible. The guardians (with GOD like powers) of Felarya would oblitirate the Death Star easily. And also here's a good defense tactic. This one applies to humans in the face of a pred.

This is simple. Run as fast as possible away from the pred. If you're caught then you're bound to get eaten. But there is a way to survive it. First cling to the toungue and eventually because of the discomfort they'll cough their prey up allowing for a chance to escape. If it's not possible and the prey gets swallowed then not all is lost. Oxygen isn't an issue because it takes oxygen to digest/absorb food. And gross as it sounds the walls of the stomach are covered in a mucus which prevents the stomach from digesting itself. Just cover yourself in the mucus and you'll be safe. Then eventually because of discomfort the pred will barf the prey up except in the case of dryads. Otherwise just wait and periodically recover yourself in the mucus and eventually you'll be free (I won't go into details).

/Fish/

SuperPieGuy9 wrote:

This is simple. Run as fast as possible away from the pred. If you're caught then you're bound to get eaten. But there is a way to survive it. First cling to the toungue and eventually because of the discomfort they'll cough their prey up allowing for a chance to escape.

You really won't be able to grab onto anything due to the slippery saliva.

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If it's not possible and the prey gets swallowed then not all is lost. Oxygen isn't an issue because it takes oxygen to digest/absorb food. And gross as it sounds the walls of the stomach are covered in a mucus which prevents the stomach from digesting itself. Just cover yourself in the mucus and you'll be safe. Then eventually because of discomfort the pred will barf the prey up except in the case of dryads. Otherwise just wait and periodically recover yourself in the mucus and eventually you'll be free (I won't go into details).

You'll die of asphyxiation, succumbing to an unbreathable atmosphere due to rising volumes of acidic fumes, regardless of oxygen content, or if you do survive for a time, you will be killed by the digestion process, broken down into nutrients by acids and enzymes in the churning hell that is a stomach. You are not going to survive by relying on anything that naturally occurs within a stomach. I don't think Macgyver can even do that.

Malahite

SuperPieGuy9 wrote:

This is simple. Run as fast as possible away from the pred.

This isn't a horror movie: If you're in a group of people who can make use of the defensive tactics stated, you're not going to throw them all away because "Oh shit it's big maybe I can outrun my friends long enough that it gets full". This is about on-par with a modern military unit basing their tactics solely on the basis of "well if I keep throwing enough squads at the tank soon it'll get disabled and we can run around it".

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If you're caught then you're bound to get eaten.

This much is kind of a given.

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But there is a way to survive it.

Jab a needle full of oxygen into some point in their body and squeeze away? Cast something like Wraithform and enjoy your ethereal-ness?

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Ogryns. If we time it just right, the Eldar will all be going "What the..." just when what's left of the Company breaks cover over here and piles into them. No spreading out, no fancy stuff, just smash through. Let's see how those degenerate sophisticates handle a healthy dose of pure unreasoning violence.

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FalconJudge · Great warrior Posts: 503 Join date: 2008-11-08 Age: 18

Er, teleportation devices? Like the Star-trek ones, the ones that DON'T relay on magic, with the beaming station being a few miles away underground. That device seems to work underground anyways, so why not in a stomach?

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FalconJudge wrote:

Er, teleportation devices? Like the Star-trek ones,

Star Trek's notorious for having horrible teleportation systems that can be messed up by bad storm planet-side, and plenty of teleportation-blocking materials. Of course, it's also known for being able to teleport en-masse and leave behind certain things: Used competently, it would be better as a weapon system than means of transport / escape (Oh look, we got a full grove of Fairy wings sitting here).

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the ones that DON'T relay on magic,

If you don't mind me asking, why? Most Predators (most unnamed ones, anyways) don't have magic-resistant gullets, and even so magic can be cast before being eaten. Sure, tech is more reliable in that if the technobabble isn't messed up by a Storm Sprite it's not going to be stopped, but the magic should still be useable.

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with the beaming station being a few miles away underground. That device seems to work underground anyways, so why not in a stomach?

Again, ST has a shoddy reputation with teleporters. lol!

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Commander Fleyitch wrote:

Ogryns. If we time it just right, the Eldar will all be going "What the..." just when what's left of the Company breaks cover over here and piles into them. No spreading out, no fancy stuff, just smash through. Let's see how those degenerate sophisticates handle a healthy dose of pure unreasoning violence.

"We die standing."

Raveolution

/Fish/ wrote:

SuperPieGuy9 wrote:

This is simple. Run as fast as possible away from the pred. If you're caught then you're bound to get eaten. But there is a way to survive it. First cling to the toungue and eventually because of the discomfort they'll cough their prey up allowing for a chance to escape.

You really won't be able to grab onto anything due to the slippery saliva.

But apparently there is a thing about the gag reflex that causes you to cough back up anything that squirms.

It's anyone's guess, though, how this applies to Preds.

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You'll die of asphyxiation, succumbing to an unbreathable atmosphere due to rising volumes of acidic fumes, regardless of oxygen content, or if you do survive for a time, you will be killed by the digestion process, broken down into nutrients by acids and enzymes in the churning hell that is a stomach. You are not going to survive by relying on anything that naturally occurs within a stomach. I don't think Macgyver can even do that.

And you haven't even mentioned the danger of landing in a storm sprite's belly.

BTW does anyone know how the canopy fairy's belly warp spell actually works? It's basically described as a magic teleportation trap, but what if the fairy is not in her material form? Can you throw explosives into the trap if you spot it? What if she's 3 inches tall and you're 6 feet tall?

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