Human Deviation, Mutation and Variation

observer88 · Subject: Re: Human Deviation, Mutation and Variation Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:36 pm

Here's a thought:

Humans from different worlds having different origins. So these worlds have this one species that is a highly adaptive jack-of-all-trades with its given appearance that calls itself "Human". But from what have these human evolved, or how were they created? On some world they have evolved from apes (like on our own Earth). On another some godly entity breathed life into a speck of dust or lump of clay creating some sort of advanced golem (sound familiar?). Or another where they may be an offshoot of another humanoid species. Or one where extraterrestrials tampered with local life-forms and seeding the planet with intelligent life.

But then with these variations, not just superficial, but as I mentioned above with the whole origin thing as well, would they still be called "Humans"? I mean, humans are supposed to be known for their diversity, right?

Malahite · Subject: Re: Human Deviation, Mutation and Variation Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:56 pm

observer88 wrote:

But then with these variations, not just superficial, but as I mentioned above with the whole origin thing as well, would they still be called "Humans"? I mean, humans are supposed to be known for their diversity, right?

These would not be "humans", unless they could all (somehow) interbreed with one another. Even then it's not entirely proof: Elves look pretty similar externally to humans for instance, and can (usually) breed with them. But Elves =/= Humans (Hm, or actually, that may be a good idea for a Fantasy 'verse: Elves being humans who just adapted to a specific environment).

Point still stands that they'd likely not be the same "Human" species as us. We could call them Humans, but they wouldn't be Homo Sapiens (or at least not all of them).

And WWII would have gone the same way, up until something happened such as Predators finding a portal or Miratans launching an invasion for resources. In which case we'd have been fucked as even assuming 1:1 armoured kill ratios, the tech disparity between factions would still be too high.

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observer88 · Subject: Re: Human Deviation, Mutation and Variation Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:36 am

Malahite wrote:

These would not be "humans", unless they could all (somehow) interbreed with one another.

Good call.

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Point still stands that they'd likely not be the same "Human" species as us. We could call them Humans, but they wouldn't be Homo Sapiens (or at least not all of them).

That was my point.

Anime-Junkie · Subject: Re: Human Deviation, Mutation and Variation Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:38 pm

observer88 wrote:

Malahite wrote:

These would not be "humans", unless they could all (somehow) interbreed with one another.

Good call.

It would be complicated to work out (Eg: A can breed with C but not B, But C can breed with E as well as A. B can breed with E and D etc).

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Malahite wrote:

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Point still stands that they'd likely not be the same "Human" species as us. We could call them Humans, but they wouldn't be Homo Sapiens (or at least not all of them).

That was my point.

Sapient humanoids if you like. (Oops, that covers everything from elves to catgirls).
The root of this idea is founded in Ursula K. Le Guin's Hanish Cycle. For those of you who don't know, it's science fiction (the broad spectrum of things which that genre covers). Spoiler contains info.

Spoiler:
	The planet Hain is humanity's homeword. The Hainish spread out and colonised a (relatively) large portion of the galaxy, then withdrew, ;eaving the colonies to hack it. When they colonised the various planets they genetically modified the colonists so they could survive. Genetics weren't all they changed, cultural bases were also radically altered.

Malahite is right, this is Sci-Fi development, but I object to calling the alternative "normal."

gtslover100 · Subject: Re: Human Deviation, Mutation and Variation Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:44 am

soory i am new at this
can i be in felarya
i could have a hideout,
underground like burt gummer from Tremors
and have lots of guns and weapons
My name could be

Mel oznap

FalconJudge · Great warrior Posts: 503 Join date: 2008-11-08 Age: 18

Why not? Just avoid having an author character...

I'm no expert and have no authority, however...

/Fish/ · Subject: Re: Human Deviation, Mutation and Variation Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:59 am

gtslover100 wrote:

soory i am new at this
can i be in felarya
i could have a hideout,
underground like burt gummer from Tremors
and have lots of guns and weapons
My name could be

Mel oznap

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