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vegasmazza3 Newbie adventurer

Posts: 66 Join date: 2009-07-20 Age: 18 Location: California, USA
 | Subject: Suitcase nuke... Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:06 pm | |
| You read correctly... suitcase nuke... I tried searching but could find nothing specific to this...  So I shall ask it here Couldn't you theoretically carry around a suitcase nuke and threaten to use it if a intelligent pred wanted to eat you... (I mean either way you're going to die... might as well take the pred down with you)... I don't think any creature would be able to survive a suitcase nuke... 1KT-5KT (possibly bigger if we take into consideration that humanity has advanced farther than today) Crisis probably couldn't survive that... much more... "explosive power"... than a hand grenade... In one story I read they didn't like being threatened with a plasma rifle... so suitcase nuke... well let's say it's a bad end for all sides... Oh and of course carry an informative video in case they don't understand... (embellished video of course..  ) |
|  | | rcs619 Moderator


Posts: 379 Join date: 2008-04-07 Age: 21 Location: Hanging out with Fiona in the Bulvon Wood
 | Subject: Re: Suitcase nuke... Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:54 pm | |
| | vegasmazza3 wrote: | You read correctly... suitcase nuke...
I tried searching but could find nothing specific to this... So I shall ask it here
Couldn't you theoretically carry around a suitcase nuke and threaten to use it if a intelligent pred wanted to eat you... (I mean either way you're going to die... might as well take the pred down with you)...
I don't think any creature would be able to survive a suitcase nuke... 1KT-5KT (possibly bigger if we take into consideration that humanity has advanced farther than today)
Crisis probably couldn't survive that... much more... "explosive power"... than a hand grenade...
In one story I read they didn't like being threatened with a plasma rifle... so suitcase nuke... well let's say it's a bad end for all sides...
Oh and of course carry an informative video in case they don't understand... (embellished video of course.. ) |
....*sigh* here we go again.
No matter how many times this idea (or something similar) gets brought up, I just cannot express how bad it is.
ONE: You cant just get a NUCLEAR fucking WEAPON. They aren't just laying around in your local gun shop, or any store in Negav for that matter. No one in their right mind is going to take a weapon of mass destruction to an alien world that they want to explore. Keep in mind, the majority of people are brought into Felarya either by accident, or they come unaware of the danger. NO ONE is going to be carrying a nuke for the hell of it.
TWO: If you get caught, you've done something wrong. STEALTH, FINESSE, KNOWLEDGE, COMMON SENSE...those are far greater survival tools in Felarya than any gun or bomb. You survive through skill there, not force.
THREE: ....take a PRED down with you?! You're goint to take out a massive chunk of jungle as well, not to mention the fires and radiation that will follow. What about other humans in the surrounding area? The nekos? the Neera? the preds who are doing NOTHING to bother you?
FOUR: .... "possibly bigger"?! ...dude, you dont need a NUKE to kill a pred. a couple pounds of C4 is more than enough. if you want to play kamikaze-man, use that and spare the innocent lives that you didn't need to harm as well.
FIVE: The explosive power of a hand grenade isnt what kills people. Its the shrapnel that comes off of it with the explosion that does the most killing. The reason grenades generally arent good against predators is that the shrapnel is so tiny, you aren't going to get significant damage (maybe in the eyes though, if you can throw that high). The flash will probably distract/surprise them...but thats about it.
SIX: ....informative....video? ...where the hell are you going to plug up a TV/VCR/DVD player with a large enough screen for the to even see. And why would you not just run while they're watching the vid?
**Note: a Plasma rifle is a terrible choice too, btw. Energy weaponry in general has terrible penetrating power. Sure, it'll burn...but to kill something the size of TWO WHALES, you need massive penetrating power. Try to pierce a vital organ or hit the juggular vein**
Sorry to be mean...but its just a horrible idea all around._________________ My Stories, Drawings and Stuff: http://rcs619.deviantart.com/> "Go then. There are other worlds than these." - John "Jake" Chambers > "Something strange is going on in this land of magic and giant, topless, flesh-eating animal-women!" ~ GREGOLE |
|  | | vegasmazza3 Newbie adventurer

Posts: 66 Join date: 2009-07-20 Age: 18 Location: California, USA
 | Subject: Re: Suitcase nuke... Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:21 am | |
| The bomb is the last resort lol... and that's the point they ARE RARE... but no doubt some people could get access to them well I didn't know C4 was an alternative lol... since grenades don't work Yah.. to be honest I thought a nuke was the only option lol since nothing else seems to work I actually was thinking a nuke might NOT be enough  ... how am I supposed to know (I'm new  )... (that's why I posed the question  ) Ehhh I have to disagree partly with TWO... a lot it is also luck along with the fact that it seems preds having very good senses... Believe me if it was all and only what you said... then more people would survive.. not everyone is an idiot or doesn't know what their getting into... (or at least I hope so... because if it isn't that's just pitiful) Like I said weapons are last resort... you think you'd want to kill yourself BY CHOICE?? (at least if your sane)... The point is to use the bomb as a deterring factor O and you probably could bring a projector  ... it'd still be small... but big enough lol The average person wouldn't be carrying around a bomb... it's for a person who is well aware of the dangers Hmm... what's a better alternative in your opinion then... (instead of C4 possibly)... At least you included the last sentence  ... so I know there isn't ever-lasting hate |
|  | | FalconJudge Great warrior

Posts: 503 Join date: 2008-11-08 Age: 18
 | Subject: Re: Suitcase nuke... Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:14 am | |
| No nukey. If a guy was aware of the dangers, he wouldn't carry around something like that anyways. Another alternative? A railgun. Not easy to carry, but it can pierce through just about anything, and if you prop it up against a tree or a rock, you might survive. But, then, it wouldn't do any good against a stomach, as no predator would swallow something like that anyways. And it's too big to drag around the jungle... Even so, a pred would just take the bomb off you, so... yeah. Maybe a bazooka or a light-saber like object... |
|  | | vegasmazza3 Newbie adventurer

Posts: 66 Join date: 2009-07-20 Age: 18 Location: California, USA
 | Subject: Re: Suitcase nuke... Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:24 am | |
| | Quote: | | If a guy was aware of the dangers, he wouldn't carry around something like that anyways. |
Why not?? Wouldn't be an effective deterant? What wouldn't be worse than total annilation... and there is something called remote detonation...
It's small enough to carry... and it's still effective from within the stomach... hmm maybe a mini-suitcase nuke... just strong enough to be able penetrate a strong stomach... but not strong enough to wipe out everything in a 1 mile radius... (maybe a 500ft radius) potable C4... hmm..
Isn't a bazooka like an RPG.. since grenades aren't effective.. wouldn't that we like the same thing...? |
|  | | Malahite Cog in the Machine


Posts: 2013 Join date: 2007-12-12 Location: Old World
 | Subject: Re: Suitcase nuke... Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:58 am | |
| I personally don't want to see nukes anywhere near Felarya, as it's only a matter of time before someone "HUMANS SUCK WOO PREDS!" decides to take a nuke and set it off in Negav to "restore the balance" or something. Best weapons for dealing with preds are stealth and magic. Just avoid them, it is not that complicated like people make it out to be. You don't need to be invisible, or have some god-mode items. Just need something, anything, that weakens / ruins divination / predator senses. That's it. You can easily do camouflage, both visual and scent-based, noise discipline should be simple, etc. Heck, that should be enough for non Pred-sense Predators. If you want to fight a Predator directly? We have a thread for that. A pretty comprehensive thread. Go there. Pocket Nukes are a bad idea, unless you're trying to do mass-extermination. That in itself is a problem, as it will likely draw the Guardian's attention and either: A) Make them bring it back, B) Take something of equal value out to those who destroyed the Pred's, C) Bring something worse into the picture, or D) All the above. _________________ | Commander Fleyitch wrote: | | Ogryns. If we time it just right, the Eldar will all be going "What the..." just when what's left of the Company breaks cover over here and piles into them. No spreading out, no fancy stuff, just smash through. Let's see how those degenerate sophisticates handle a healthy dose of pure unreasoning violence. |
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|  | | Silent_eric Great warrior


Posts: 458 Join date: 2008-02-18 Age: 19 Location: Location Location
 | Subject: Re: Suitcase nuke... Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:40 am | |
| You want to know the main reason some race or another hasn't nuked Felarya? Resources. People who come to Felarya, on purpose at least, come for two reasons. To get rich, and live forever. A nuke will destroy the riches, and will, well, you won't live forever if you set off a nuke on top of yourself will you? In fact, to protect Dearest Felarya, I propose that the magic inherent in Felarya, the ambient healing energies, in some way interferes with the way nuclear fusion or fission work. Thus, the use of nukes has never occurred on Felarya, because whenever someone tries, the nuke is unable to detonate. All opposed? _________________ This Week's Climax! November 3rd, 2009
Forgotten already. It's a Brand New Day, and the Sun is high. All the Fairies sing, that you're gonna die!
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|  | | rcs619 Moderator


Posts: 379 Join date: 2008-04-07 Age: 21 Location: Hanging out with Fiona in the Bulvon Wood
 | Subject: Re: Suitcase nuke... Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:54 am | |
| | Silent_eric wrote: | You want to know the main reason some race or another hasn't nuked Felarya?
Resources. People who come to Felarya, on purpose at least, come for two reasons. To get rich, and live forever. A nuke will destroy the riches, and will, well, you won't live forever if you set off a nuke on top of yourself will you?
In fact, to protect Dearest Felarya, I propose that the magic inherent in Felarya, the ambient healing energies, in some way interferes with the way nuclear fusion or fission work. Thus, the use of nukes has never occurred on Felarya, because whenever someone tries, the nuke is unable to detonate.
All opposed? |
Ehh, I don't know. I think common sense will keep people from doing it. If they do, there is NO way it would ever be considered canon anyway. let people be stupid.
as far as a nuke deterrent....it doesn't even need to be magical, or healing. This is an alternate dimension, right? read the thread on Felarya physics if you haven't already to get an idea for just how wierd it is. Who's to say that there is something in the physics of Felarya that makes nuclear fusion/fission impossible?
But I still think common sense will keep this from happening. Its not canon if it does anyway._________________ My Stories, Drawings and Stuff: http://rcs619.deviantart.com/> "Go then. There are other worlds than these." - John "Jake" Chambers > "Something strange is going on in this land of magic and giant, topless, flesh-eating animal-women!" ~ GREGOLE |
|  | | Silent_eric Great warrior


Posts: 458 Join date: 2008-02-18 Age: 19 Location: Location Location
 | Subject: Re: Suitcase nuke... Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:16 am | |
| I'll remind you that a zombie epidemic in Felarya has a specific reason why it won't work. Specifically, no necromancy. So I just thought, 'Why not have the same for nuclear weapons.' _________________ This Week's Climax! November 3rd, 2009
Forgotten already. It's a Brand New Day, and the Sun is high. All the Fairies sing, that you're gonna die!
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|  | | FalconJudge Great warrior

Posts: 503 Join date: 2008-11-08 Age: 18
 | Subject: Re: Suitcase nuke... Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:23 am | |
| Why not just say it ain't gonna happen and close the thread? This wouldn't appear to be going anywhere... |
|  | | vegasmazza3 Newbie adventurer

Posts: 66 Join date: 2009-07-20 Age: 18 Location: California, USA
 | Subject: Re: Suitcase nuke... Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:36 am | |
| Pocket nukes wouldn't be able to cause mass-extermination.. they're too small GAH... nuke. is. a. deterrant. Of course there'd be no point in turning Felarya into a barren wasteland now would there? (Besides there's no nuke to do that in one blow anyway... you'd need an asteroid for that... and since there is technically "no space"... so yah) Technically, Silent_eric's idea is the most feasible... because believe me SOMEONE WOULD DO THIS  ... and some people would just want to wipe out the planet (believe me they exist).. Hmm that'd make for a good story... bring a nuke... try detonating it... and nothing... lol http://felarya.forumotion.com/general-discussion-f1/what-is-the-best-tactical-and-strategic-offense-against-t360.htm ... is this the thread you're talking about?? If it is I already looked at that... it's waayyy too long to get something solid out of it (you know.. people contradicting each other) Hmm.. what else to address... Guardian's would have to predict the future... (I can see it... ) or reverse time or something like god... I don't know enough to know if the guardians are considered like "gods" And you think common sense would be TO DO something like this... I mean if you know of the dangers before hand.. have a goal... have the knowledge, but still get caught, why not have a backup... protection... it would be the smart thing to do to have a way to get your way out of a situation you normally wouldn't be able to get yourself out of... (no one wants to be blown to smithereans... why do you think the US and USSR didn't nuke each other... the consequences far out weighed the risks... and they were used as deterants, but were actually never used... who knows the USSR could of invaded the U.S. or vice versa, if one didn't have nukes) You have to agree that it would be a deterant... no?? You have to account for this some how... we know that orbital strikes aren't possible... but this technically is (unless Silent_eric's thing is already true... but I don't know that) The physics are probably VERY weird, but to be honest I don't know physics much... so I wouldn't really be able to tell whether the physics prevents it??... Someone enlighten me! I didn't think this would be such a hot-button issue  ... Did I accidently touch a nerve... if so I didn't mean to... And NO I am not a moron... WMD's are a very real possibiity when humans are concerned. Next topic of discussion: WMD's: Biological Warfare.  Any comments? P.S... o new comment... or you could just do that... but that would be Karbo's decision to elimate that possibility huh?... but then as stated you have the issue of other WMDs.... ahhhh debate |
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Posts: 379 Join date: 2008-04-07 Age: 21 Location: Hanging out with Fiona in the Bulvon Wood
 | Subject: Re: Suitcase nuke... Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:18 am | |
| For the record, I highly doubt that biological weapons would be a viable solution. The natural healing property of Felarya seems to prevent all illnesses except the ones caused by venoms, poisons, parasites and curses. ...and honestly, Biological weapons are an even bigger risk. What happens if you turn one loose in Felarya? its most likely going to get caught up in a vanishing land and taken to another world where it'll kill lots of innocents. Chemical weapons, which might actually work, are terribly unpredicatble without advanced weather predicting capabilites...which you wont have without satilites. MWDs are not a be all, end all solution...they're messy, nearly impossible to control half the time and comepltely excessive. _________________ My Stories, Drawings and Stuff: http://rcs619.deviantart.com/> "Go then. There are other worlds than these." - John "Jake" Chambers > "Something strange is going on in this land of magic and giant, topless, flesh-eating animal-women!" ~ GREGOLE
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|  | | vegasmazza3 Newbie adventurer

Posts: 66 Join date: 2009-07-20 Age: 18 Location: California, USA
 | Subject: Re: Suitcase nuke... Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:21 am | |
| Then we will turn those venoms and poisons into biological weapons  |
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Posts: 379 Join date: 2008-04-07 Age: 21 Location: Hanging out with Fiona in the Bulvon Wood
 | Subject: Re: Suitcase nuke... Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:23 am | |
| | vegasmazza3 wrote: | Then we will turn those venoms and poisons into biological weapons  |
a BIOLOGICAL weapon is something that is alive, EX: Bacteria and Viruses, hence the BIOLOGICAL in the name.
You could potentially make chemical weapons, such as the various poison gasses...but like I added to the above post, chemical weapons are notoriously unpredicatble and with a sudden change in the wind, can come back to hit their users. You wont have advanced weather satillites to help you either._________________ My Stories, Drawings and Stuff: http://rcs619.deviantart.com/> "Go then. There are other worlds than these." - John "Jake" Chambers > "Something strange is going on in this land of magic and giant, topless, flesh-eating animal-women!" ~ GREGOLE |
|  | | vegasmazza3 Newbie adventurer

Posts: 66 Join date: 2009-07-20 Age: 18 Location: California, USA
 | Subject: Re: Suitcase nuke... Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:33 am | |
| LOL true... true... you're right chemical weapon..... they're no viruses or bacteria? ... how could there be nothing microscopic that causes sickness? Couldn't you introduce something that made you so sick, so fast, and that killed you quickly enough... that healing of Felarya wouldn't be able "to keep up" (because natural Felaryans still die of critical injuries despite the fact of the healing right??... like injuries you could survive with, say in a hospital, but that were very serious)... Yah that would kill everything though... so that would cause mass-extinction... I don't think anyone wants that... maybe something that isn't contagious? Like if you eat me then you'll get very, very sick... What about my last comment (the one before the mini one)... didn't say anything about that  Or maybe you just want to end it huh? |
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