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Xeno-the-Hedgehog
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 |  Subject: Re: Flying Naga  Fri May 09, 2008 6:30 pm | |
| What about the fairies, harpies, angels, and succubi? their wings are mounted in much the same area, and they don't seem to have an issue. Besides that, they're drastically larger and heavier than the flying nagas; what's to keep them from falling out of the sky? given those and other flight-capable species, I think it's a little late to be nitpicky about aerodynamics.
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GREGOLE
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| | Subject: Re: Flying Naga Fri May 09, 2008 6:47 pm | |
| Harpies are shaped like birds. The area extending behind the wings isn't nearly as long as a naga's tail, and thusly doesn't weigh them down.
Angels and succubi fly through supernatural means, not via actual winged flight. Those tiny wings couldn't possibly suspend a human-sized body on their own. Harpies only pull it off because they have rudder-like tails and lack arms to slow them down.
I know it's a fantasy world, but nagas with wings way up there just looks ridiculous. It couldn't possibly work.
It's a very easy fix to simply give them multiple pairs of wings.
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gwadahunter2222
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| | Subject: Re: Flying Naga Fri May 09, 2008 7:29 pm | |
| | GREGOLE wrote: | Harpies are shaped like birds. The area extending behind the wings isn't nearly as long as a naga's tail, and thusly doesn't weigh them down.
Angels and succubi fly through supernatural means, not via actual winged flight. Those tiny wings couldn't possibly suspend a human-sized body on their own. Harpies only pull it off because they have rudder-like tails and lack arms to slow them down.
I know it's a fantasy world, but nagas with wings way up there just looks ridiculous. It couldn't possibly work.
It's a very easy fix to simply give them multiple pairs of wings. |
And what about the case of the sphinx some of them can fly 
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| | Subject: Re: Flying Naga Fri May 09, 2008 7:43 pm | |
| | GREGOLE wrote: |
It's a very easy fix to simply give them multiple pairs of wings. |
how about being able to flatten their bodies to be used as one giant wing. they whould still have the pair on their backs to provide forward motion.
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GREGOLE
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| | Subject: Re: Flying Naga Fri May 09, 2008 9:40 pm | |
| | Quote: | | And what about the case of the sphinx some of them can fly |
From what I've seen, the sphynx's wings are located on the lion portion, creating a shape similar to a mantis.
If not.... well then, I'd like to complain about that too!
| Quote: | how about being able to flatten their bodies to
be used as one giant wing. they whould still have the pair on their
backs to provide forward motion. |
That cold work, but in order to truly fly, they would need full fledged wings.
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| | Subject: Re: Flying Naga Fri May 09, 2008 9:52 pm | |
| | GREGOLE wrote: | Small flying nagas are a pretty innovative concept, but I want to call attention to a certain issue: wing placement.
Nagas aren't built for flying. It's as simple as that. Their bodies are too long and sinuous. There's a good reason none of nature's fliers are serpentine in shape. Ever notice that long-bodied insects like mantises have wings located at the base of their abdomens? Any further north or south and they'd be lopsided in the air and be unbelievably awkward.
Now, nagas are even longer. There's simply no way to attach one set of wings to their bodies without at least ten feet dangling halphazardly below.
The solution lies in multiple pairs of wings. Logically speaking, a naga would require two or three pairs to be able to fly. I'd recommend one pair just below the shoulder blades and another pair halfway down the tail, minimum.
I'd also change the wing structure. Bird or bat wings just don't work very well with the body. Insect or hummingbird wings, on the other hand, provide more raw thrust, which is really the only way a body like that is getting off the ground.
If you apply multiple pairs of rapidly-beating wings, the serpentine body is actually something of an advantage. It renders the creature nimble and agile in the air. It can dart one part of its body around without losing much stability. Multiple pairs would also allow it to hover.
I bring this up because the concept of flying nagas has been tried before. Unfortunately, it's always the same, and I really can't suspend my disbelief when I see a bottom-heavy naga with bird or bat wings waaaaaaayyyyyy up top. I can actually suspend my disbelief when confronted with giant, flesh eating monster-chicks inhabiting a dimensional crossroad, but some things just stick out as illogical, yet easily fixed.
Just my two cents on the matter. |
Actually, a Naga's serpentine body is very capable for flight if it would have large wings on the back of the human torso, because I once read about the feathered serpent, or Ampithere, which was a creature that was worshiped by the Aztecs in Mexico a long time ago. Besides, this is Felarya! Anything is possible, right?
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Malahite
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| | Subject: Re: Flying Naga Fri May 09, 2008 9:55 pm | |
| Using myths from a time where Humanity believed in the presence of Gods and used them to explain natural phenomena as a cite to "It could work" isn't quite the best way to go.
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| | Subject: Re: Flying Naga Fri May 09, 2008 9:59 pm | |
| | Malahite wrote: | | Using myths from a time where Humanity believed in the presence of Gods and used them to explain natural phenomena as a cite to "It could work" isn't quite the best way to go. |
Got me there 
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GREGOLE
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| | Subject: Re: Flying Naga Fri May 09, 2008 10:17 pm | |
| | Quote: | Actually, a Naga's serpentine body is very
capable for flight if it would have large wings on the back of the
human torso, because I once read about the feathered serpent, or
Ampithere, which was a creature that was worshiped by the Aztecs in
Mexico a long time ago. Besides, this is Felarya! Anything is possible,
right? |
Saying a serpentine body can fly because a mythological creature could do so is like saying gorillas inherently know kung fu because King Kong does.
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| | Subject: Re: Flying Naga Fri May 09, 2008 10:23 pm | |
| | GREGOLE wrote: | | Quote: | Actually, a Naga's serpentine body is very
capable for flight if it would have large wings on the back of the
human torso, because I once read about the feathered serpent, or
Ampithere, which was a creature that was worshiped by the Aztecs in
Mexico a long time ago. Besides, this is Felarya! Anything is possible,
right? |
Saying a serpentine body can fly because a mythological creature could do so is like saying gorillas inherently know kung fu because King Kong does. |
*sigh* Gregole, didn't Malahite just say that? Only...in a non rude way?
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GREGOLE
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| | Subject: Re: Flying Naga Fri May 09, 2008 10:33 pm | |
| | Quote: | | *sigh* Gregole, didn't Malahite just say that? Only...in a non rude way? |
I wasn't being rude.
Besides, I'm obligated to defend my own point in a debate.
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Zoekin
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| | Subject: Re: Flying Naga Sat May 10, 2008 6:28 pm | |
| | Xeno-the-Hedgehog wrote: | | Somebody ask Zoekin if Katrika can do that. |
Yes.
But she won't.
Too many difficuties to work out and she whould find the wings a pain in the tail when on the ground. (She HATES heights anyway! The number of times she's almost fallen from the branches of the Giant Tree and saved herself by grabbing hold of Anna-oh wait. Maybe she has other reasons for that)
That said-I like the idea of a winged naga. (Quetzal and I are friends) |
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Xeno-the-Hedgehog
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| | Subject: Re: Flying Naga Sat May 10, 2008 9:44 pm | |
| | Zoekin wrote: | | Xeno-the-Hedgehog wrote: | | Somebody ask Zoekin if Katrika can do that. |
Yes.
But she won't.
Too many difficuties to work out and she whould find the wings a pain in the tail when on the ground. (She HATES heights anyway! The number of times she's almost fallen from the branches of the Giant Tree and saved herself by grabbing hold of Anna-oh wait. Maybe she has other reasons for that)
That said-I like the idea of a winged naga. (Quetzal and I are friends) |
Perhaps the species could be named after the character? After all, immitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
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gwadahunter2222
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| | Subject: Re: Flying Naga Sun May 11, 2008 7:20 pm | |
| | GREGOLE wrote: |
Angels and succubi fly through supernatural means, not via actual winged flight. Those tiny wings couldn't possibly suspend a human-sized body on their own. Harpies only pull it off because they have rudder-like tails and lack arms to slow them down.
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I think about something if theses creatures use their wings in a different way than a bird. I explain if they can levitate (i don't know if this word exist in english  ) or maintain themselves in the air. The wings here work more to propel and balancing a bit like a plane.
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