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mangamastermind Temple scourge


Joined : 10 Dec 2007 Posts : 609 Location : Is still alive!....but not past that naga yet!
 | Subject: Re: Spectrum of energy (magical or otherwise) Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:16 am | |
| | gwadahunter2222 wrote: | It remembers me a manga about magic. A mage create a spell to break all your bones, it's cool but this mage has been defeated why? The time he takes to cast his opponents to get closer and breaks all his bones with their fists 
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Is the Manga Fairy Tail? _________________
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|  | | gwadahunter2222 Hero


Age : 24 Joined : 08 Dec 2007 Posts : 1071
 | Subject: Re: Spectrum of energy (magical or otherwise) Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:36 am | |
| | mangamastermind wrote: | | Is the Manga Fairy Tail? |
Yeah  _________________ I can call the snows, and wind, and lightning. The trees may bend to me when I ask. The rivers may flow where I ask them to. But I am granted these things because I ask , with respect in my heart, and I am willing to offer something in return. I request only the barest needs for myself and my people. |
|  | | ZionAtriedes Veteran knight


Age : 20 Joined : 14 Jan 2008 Posts : 281 Location : Behind you. No, above! Oh, too late, I already got you. NINJA SKILLZ!
 | Subject: Re: Spectrum of energy (magical or otherwise) Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:06 am | |
| | Daimo wrote: | "The Felaryan Soil protects you from aging and disease." "How?' "I don't know. It's just the magic in this place." |
I'm actually working on an explanation for that. It deals with the "life energy" I mentioned earlier. I could also tie that in with why necromancy is weakened on Felarya.
In my opinion, the best incarnation of magic is the manipulation of matter and energy at an atomic/photonic level. If you're thinking that sounds like something off of Fullmetal Alchemist, you just spot-on figured out my main inspiration.
As to what Eric was saying, of course there'd be "equivalent exchange" (more FMA reference!). I'm not gonna be arrogant enough to say my "explanation" is the best of them all, but channeling energy of any sort would be taxing. The more energy, the more taxing. And, of course, the more complicated the procedure, the more concentration and brainpower required to coordinate it.
Logic, my friends, can be so very handy, even if it is flawed in areas due to our limited perception/understanding... _________________
"It is by striving to be so different from everyone else that you become just like them, in the same way it is cliché to hate clichés. True rebels are those who don't try to rebel." -Zion Atriedes |
|  | | Karbo Evil admin


Joined : 08 Dec 2007 Posts : 1024
 | Subject: Re: Spectrum of energy (magical or otherwise) Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:07 am | |
| Very interesting thoughts here ^_^
Silent_eric : This is a great take, and really original. Many things to do with that ! ^_^ |
|  | | ZionAtriedes Veteran knight


Age : 20 Joined : 14 Jan 2008 Posts : 281 Location : Behind you. No, above! Oh, too late, I already got you. NINJA SKILLZ!
 | Subject: Re: Spectrum of energy (magical or otherwise) Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:10 am | |
| | Karbo wrote: | | Very interesting thoughts here ^_^ |
Aren't think-tanks great? Ah, it is refreshing to be engaged in a discussion with fellow thinkers. _________________
"It is by striving to be so different from everyone else that you become just like them, in the same way it is cliché to hate clichés. True rebels are those who don't try to rebel." -Zion Atriedes |
|  | | gwadahunter2222 Hero


Age : 24 Joined : 08 Dec 2007 Posts : 1071
 | Subject: Re: Spectrum of energy (magical or otherwise) Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:09 am | |
| About the property of the soil of Felarya, due to the unstable nature of the world. The soil helps you to support the different changes which may happen in the world. I don't think diseases disappear in Felarya they are still here. When you come in Felarya I think you will die from all the diseases from different worlds at the same without the property of the soil It explain how you can resist to external disease but not from the disease existing in Felarya  _________________ I can call the snows, and wind, and lightning. The trees may bend to me when I ask. The rivers may flow where I ask them to. But I am granted these things because I ask , with respect in my heart, and I am willing to offer something in return. I request only the barest needs for myself and my people. |
|  | | Silent_eric Veteran knight


Age : 17 Joined : 18 Feb 2008 Posts : 297 Location : Location Location
 | Subject: Re: Spectrum of energy (magical or otherwise) Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:34 am | |
| | Karbo wrote: | | Silent_eric : This is a great take, and really original. Many things to do with that ! ^_^ |
Yes! It really is. However, like I said, it doesn't really fit Felarya very well. I doubt many fairies will disbelieve magic when it is cast in front of them. Of course, such an explanation could very well fit in some other dimension quite well. And if a mage from that dimension came to Felarya, and mistakenly believed such rules were still in effect... Well, I'm sure you can guess how long he'd last.  Huh. I smell new character concept.
| gwadahunter2222 wrote: | I don't think diseases disappear in Felarya they are still here. When you come in Felarya I think you will die from all the diseases from different worlds at the same without the property of the soil It explain how you can resist to external disease but not from the disease existing in Felarya  |
I more or less agree! I think the diseases are still around in Felarya. After all, most diseases are caused by bacteria or viruses, which are basically just small organisms. I doubt Felarya soil just kills every bacteria that ever shows up. I believe that Felaryan soil just heals any damage accrued by sickness faster than it takes to accumulate. But then, that would mean as soon as someone leaves Felarya, all the diseases they've collected would kill the person in just a few days! So there has to be another, or at least more to the explanation. The other explanation is that the soil somehow boosts the immune system to superhuman levels. As for the Felaryan diseases and poisons, and why they still work, I'd say it has to do with either how strong they are, how fast they work, or simply that the disease is slightly magical, and as such bypasses the usual immunity granted by the soil. _________________ This Week's Climax! Four Gods wait on the Windowsill, Where eight Gods did War and Will. And if the Gods themselves may die, What does that say for you, and I? |
|  | | Pendragon Felarya cartographer


Age : 19 Joined : 09 Dec 2007 Posts : 1535 Location : Inside an armored war machine.
 | Subject: Re: Spectrum of energy (magical or otherwise) Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:44 am | |
| | Silent_eric wrote: | I more or less agree! I think the diseases are still around in Felarya. After all, most diseases are caused by bacteria or viruses, which are basically just small organisms. I doubt Felarya soil just kills every bacteria that ever shows up. I believe that Felaryan soil just heals any damage accrued by sickness faster than it takes to accumulate. But then, that would mean as soon as someone leaves Felarya, all the diseases they've collected would kill the person in just a few days! So there has to be another, or at least more to the explanation. The other explanation is that the soil somehow boosts the immune system to superhuman levels. As for the Felaryan diseases and poisons, and why they still work, I'd say it has to do with either how strong they are, how fast they work, or simply that the disease is slightly magical, and as such bypasses the usual immunity granted by the soil. |
This theory works pretty well, since it is very possible. And I don't have to worry about stepping out of Felarya, just to croak days later. _________________ (98% of explorers have been eaten or will be eaten by a native creature in Felarya. If you're one of the 2% not in this group, copy & paste this in your signature.)
And you'll have less chance to be eaten if you visit my DA page: http://pendragon9.deviantart.com/ |
|  | | gwadahunter2222 Hero


Age : 24 Joined : 08 Dec 2007 Posts : 1071
 | Subject: Re: Spectrum of energy (magical or otherwise) Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:53 am | |
| | Silent_eric wrote: | So there has to be another, or at least more to the explanation. The other explanation is that the soil somehow boosts the immune system to superhuman levels. As for the Felaryan diseases and poisons, and why they still work, I'd say it has to do with either how strong they are, how fast they work, or simply that the disease is slightly magical, and as such bypasses the usual immunity granted by the soil. |
I think it's a better explanation I was thinking the concept of vaccine, the soil help your immune system to adapt to the different diseases in a certain way your immune system become surhuman  _________________ I can call the snows, and wind, and lightning. The trees may bend to me when I ask. The rivers may flow where I ask them to. But I am granted these things because I ask , with respect in my heart, and I am willing to offer something in return. I request only the barest needs for myself and my people. |
|  | | Mickilla Seasoned adventurer


Age : 20 Joined : 19 Mar 2008 Posts : 124
 | Subject: Re: Spectrum of energy (magical or otherwise) Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:32 am | |
| Now lets stop and think about this, a good place to start is the text on the Felarya wiki page, which states the following: "The ground of Felarya cures all known diseases by simple contact. It revitalizes living beings and makes them grow - though the amount depends of the species - and grant a sort of immortality ( not invincibility of course ). In short you won't age, your body won't register any damage caused by time and you won't die from illness as long as you are on Felarya. Any non-lethal wound would completely heal in just a matter of weeks or days."
So we know you won't age, your wounds heal faster than normal, and somehow it will stop illnesses from killing you.
Why do we age? Because our cells have a limited number of telomeres, and when we run out they cease to be able to make perfect copies of themselves when they perform the process of mitosis. How do wounds heal at all? Through cells splitting to create new flesh to fill the gaps. And how do many diseases harm us? By destroying our flesh, one cell at a time.
Some form of magic that keeps our cells working at an unnaturally high level would explain having these effects happening simultaneously. That's my take on the subject. |
|  | | ZionAtriedes Veteran knight


Age : 20 Joined : 14 Jan 2008 Posts : 281 Location : Behind you. No, above! Oh, too late, I already got you. NINJA SKILLZ!
 | Subject: Re: Spectrum of energy (magical or otherwise) Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:43 am | |
| | Mickilla wrote: | | Why do we age? Because our cells have a limited number of telomeres, and when we run out they cease to be able to make perfect copies of themselves when they perform the process of mitosis. |
That's not the only reason. Other things such as free radicals take their toll as well. However, I do believe you hit on the biggest reason. Perhaps repetitive regeneration of telomeres is the reason Felaryan soil prevents aging. I think it could come down to my concept (well, it's not mine, per se) of "life-energy". The large amount of ambient life-energy (perhaps produced by bacteria in the soil, or other types of organisms?) could prevent aging by stimulating the body to produce telomerase, increased absorption/production of certain vitamins (for instance, many rodents naturally produce Vitamin C), faster cellular production and repair, and, of course, heightened immune systems.
The problem is this: if it supercharges you, why don't the pathogens also increase in power and balance it all out? Well, maybe one could assume only multi-cellular organisms can create/absorb the energy. In fact, why not go further? Maybe only creatures with sophisticated nervous systems and brains can.
Sorry, I'm a big psionics guy, a real advocate of the whole "brainpower" thing. It comes from living as a physically-challenged bookworm all of one's life... _________________
"It is by striving to be so different from everyone else that you become just like them, in the same way it is cliché to hate clichés. True rebels are those who don't try to rebel." -Zion Atriedes |
|  | | Daimo Veteran knight


Age : 20 Joined : 09 Mar 2008 Posts : 295 Location : Lamina
 | Subject: Re: Spectrum of energy (magical or otherwise) Sat Mar 22, 2008 3:16 am | |
| I'm thinking out loud here, but I wonder…wouldn’t the soil cause most of Felarya to become a place of some evolutionary stagnation? If the soil basically super charges your cells to the point where you’re immune to disease and aging that should slow the natural evolutionary process. Since the body, while in Felarya, can instantly adapt to all types of diseases to the point of immunity, cease aging, and heal very quickly without needing to improve itself naturally. _________________ "Y'know... If I ever see Crisis... I'm going to burn her hair off... Just to piss people off." ~~ Ayame Crimson |
|  | | Mickilla Seasoned adventurer


Age : 20 Joined : 19 Mar 2008 Posts : 124
 | Subject: Re: Spectrum of energy (magical or otherwise) Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:21 am | |
| Could be, if all organisms there were relieved of the burden of a limited immune system then yes, there would be some species that would avoid extinction that they might face elsewhere. However, other bizarre phenomena that occur in Felarya could more than compensate and force evolution to continue because of competition from other species, or forced adaptation to its unique environment. Plus, on top of everything, it would seem that all sorts of new creatures spring up from other universes. With so many new species all seeing one another for the first time, there would be plenty of room for adaptation because the ecosystem is in flux.
Another thing to consider is whether or not having every organism's immune system being given this boost will force pathogenic viruses and bacteria to become bigger and meaner as well. Pathogens seem to have a nasty habit of multiplying so fast that in a matter of days their strain can change entirely, and sometimes become much more deadly. One of the reasons that AIDS is difficult to treat is because HIV can actually adapt to resist medications fast enough to overcome the dosages. If it is a boosted immune system that keeps inhabitants of Felarya disease free, then yes it would be inevitable that at some point the germs would catch up. However if it were something different, perhaps nothing more than a strong regenerative ability that can fix the damage caused by the disease, but without doing anything else to combat it, that could present the possibility that the germs would simply continue to multiply, but without needing to change. |
|  | | gwadahunter2222 Hero


Age : 24 Joined : 08 Dec 2007 Posts : 1071
 | Subject: Re: Spectrum of energy (magical or otherwise) Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:10 am | |
| | Mickilla wrote: | | However if it were something different, perhaps nothing more than a strong regenerative ability that can fix the damage caused by the disease, but without doing anything else to combat it, that could present the possibility that the germs would simply continue to multiply, but without needing to change. |
If you don't cure from the disease first before to regenrate your body you won't live longer due to the fact the disease exhaust the body if the body try to regenerate it will get more exhausted. In clear it's a better way to die faster.
It's important to have an immune system or you can't recover from injuries and disease Indeed this boost will force pathogenic viruses and bacteria to become bigger and meaner as well but I think there is other ways to cure from disease too.
| Quote: | | If it is a boosted immune system that keeps inhabitants of Felarya disease free, then yes it would be inevitable that at some point the germs would catch up. |
Don't forget many inhabitants of Felarya possess healing skills like Temi I think the healing ability of the soil is not the only way to cure from disease in Felarya  _________________ I can call the snows, and wind, and lightning. The trees may bend to me when I ask. The rivers may flow where I ask them to. But I am granted these things because I ask , with respect in my heart, and I am willing to offer something in return. I request only the barest needs for myself and my people. |
|  | | Oldman40k2003 Naga food

Joined : 09 Dec 2007 Posts : 47
 | Subject: Re: Spectrum of energy (magical or otherwise) Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:35 am | |
| Don't forget that there are alternative solutions to the "Bacterial Problem" in Felarya if we include more than just the physical world. If we assume that every creature has a "life force", that when two conflicting life forces "fight" the bigger one tends to win, and Felarya's soil boosts one's life force then it naturally follows that bacteria cannot infect larger organisms with much success, as they simply can't overpower the hosts life force and destroy the hosts cells.
There are of course downsides to introducing "life force" (plus it's kind of a cop out, similar to saying "A wizard did it!"). ^^; |
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