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PostSubject: elementals   Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:10 am

I noticed that in the Elementals page of the wiki, Fire and Lava are listed as separate elements. Why is that? If you think about it, Lava is a combination of Fire and Earth anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:58 pm

Xeno-the-Hedgehog wrote:
I noticed that in the Elementals page of the wiki, Fire and Lava are listed as separate elements. Why is that? If you think about it, Lava is a combination of Fire and Earth anyway.

And that's why they're listed separately I believe. Since Lava is a combination of two elements it's given a separate listing on its own.
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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:40 pm

But doesn't that go against the notion of limiting elementals to just one element?

I believe the wiki made it clear that no elemental could have more than one element at its disposal.
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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:47 pm

Elemental lava can be considered as an element or sub specie of elemental like sand or ice, it depend of area where is the elemental I think Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:49 pm

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Elemental lava can be considered as an element or sub specie of elemental like sand or ice, it depend of area where is the elemental I think Very Happy

Ah, I see what you mean. Depending on the location of that certain type of elemental it could be a slight mix of elements like ice, lava or sand. That's an interesting suggestion.
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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:55 pm

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gwadahunter2222 wrote:
Elemental lava can be considered as an element or sub specie of elemental like sand or ice, it depend of area where is the elemental I think Very Happy

Ah, I see what you mean. Depending on the location of that certain type of elemental it could be a slight mix of elements like ice, lava or sand. That's an interesting suggestion.
Yeah that's right, thanks to understand it Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:18 pm

Well yes in my mind the term "elemental" don' refer to a being made strictly of one primal element. Like Gwadahunter pointed, it's more depending on the location of the elemental ^_^
For example fog, water and ice are supposed to be one unique element but in Felarya this will make three distinct kind of elementals. But thank you for raising the question Smile
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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:10 pm

so where is the line drawn between fire and lava, or for that matter lava and earth? Surely a lava elemental would have some control over flames, and just the same, it would conceivably be able to harden its lava into solid volcanic rock and/or melt earth.
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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:13 pm

Fire is plasma, which is energy.

Lava is a fluid/solid, which is matter.

There's your difference.
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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:08 pm

I think the problem is that your thinking of it in a 'D&D' sense where the creature is made of only the given material (fire, water, ect.) a Felaryan Elemental is a pure magic being. and this being feels a attraction to an element of nature around it (fire, earth, water, lava, mud, candy canes) and wrapes its self up in said element creating a body out of it. it is a easy leap that the beings raw magic would be tinted by its given element material.

so a lava elemental is first a raw magic being that has then wrapped its self in lava to form a body. its magic would involve heat stone and fire...

I hope this helps. its a different approach to elementals than most fantacy settings...

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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:16 am

*bow to the wise dryad*

You pretty much said what I had in mind but in proper english Razz
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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:27 am

Karbo wrote:
*bow to the wise dryad*

You pretty much said what I had in mind but in proper english Razz

^^ well English isn't your first language.... your a lot better at it than I am at French... or Japanese for that matter XD just glad to help ^___^

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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:23 pm

Cypress wrote:
Karbo wrote:
*bow to the wise dryad*

You pretty much said what I had in mind but in proper english Razz

^^ well English isn't your first language.... your a lot better at it than I am at French... or Japanese for that matter XD just glad to help ^___^

Heh, git the nail on the head I suppose then. Oh, yeah, we're all better at out primary languages then our learned languages. Hell, I'm still learning German... at least I know how to curse people out down here without getting into trouble. I think that's one of the first things all of use learn right?
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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:13 pm

Cypress wrote:
...this being feels a attraction to an element of nature around it (fire, earth, water, lava, mud, candy canes) and wraps its self up in said element creating a body out of it.

Candy-cane elementals, one of the few types of elementals that are actively hunted by humans, especially small sugar crazed children. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:23 pm

LOL I was wondering when someone would notice that XD

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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:03 pm

GREGOLE wrote:
Fire is plasma, which is energy.

Lava is a fluid/solid, which is matter.

There's your difference.


Not quite.

Plasma (the fourth state of matter)- a highly ionized gas containing an approximately equal number of positive ions and electrons.
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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:08 pm

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Not quite.

Plasma (the fourth state of matter)- a highly ionized gas containing an approximately equal number of positive ions and electrons.

Whether or not plasma is energy is the subject of debate. It's often referred to as energy, so it seemed safe enough to consider it as such to make the point.

That point being that it AINT a solid or a liquid.
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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:32 pm

But it still doesn't answer my question;

to what extent can a lava elemental create/control fire or earth, and vice versa? I'd be just as confused if stone and earth were listed separately (which the lego corporation has done)

Water and Ice I can understand, as Ice is usually assosciated with cold and the process of freezing solid, while water refers mainly to the liquid state, and is assosciated with the currents and tides of rivers and oceans
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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:07 pm

Xeno-the-Hedgehog wrote:
But it still doesn't answer my question;

to what extent can a lava elemental create/control fire or earth, and vice versa? I'd be just as confused if stone and earth were listed separately (which the lego corporation has done)

Water and Ice I can understand, as Ice is usually assosciated with cold and the process of freezing solid, while water refers mainly to the liquid state, and is assosciated with the currents and tides of rivers and oceans
It depend of the location.

if the elemental is born in a volcano there is a chance is a fire Elemental or Lava Elemental.

If it was a rocky place like the great rocky field it's an earth elemental.

If it's burn in a burning place it's a fire elemental.

The element of an elemental vary in function of its birth place, and can not change its element.

That's all Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:26 pm

Xeno-the-Hedgehog wrote:
But it still doesn't answer my question;

to what extent can a lava elemental create/control fire or earth, and vice versa? I'd be just as confused if stone and earth were listed separately (which the lego corporation has done)

Water and Ice I can understand, as Ice is usually assosciated with cold and the process of freezing solid, while water refers mainly to the liquid state, and is assosciated with the currents and tides of rivers and oceans

Well as I see it the main difference is their nature. One is made out of pure fire, the other from melted stone.. What abilities they master after that is pretty much up to them and would varies a lot from one specimen to another, though they obviously would have more facility in fire based magic.
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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:52 pm

See, now this is why I just plain hate the concept of the elements in general.

Presumably, a lava elemental would only have control over the molten rock directly linked to its own body, and would lost control of that when the heat subsided and it was reduced to simple volcanic rock.

That's about as logical as I can approach the idea.
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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:56 pm

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See, now this is why I just plain hate the concept of the elements in general.

Presumably, a lava elemental would only have control over the molten rock directly linked to its own body, and would lost control of that when the heat subsided and it was reduced to simple volcanic rock.

That's about as logical as I can approach the idea.
It's a possibility which can be denied but as humans their ability vary depending of the specimen Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:33 am

GREGOLE wrote:
See, now this is why I just plain hate the concept of the elements in general.

Presumably, a lava elemental would only have control over the molten rock directly linked to its own body, and would lost control of that when the heat subsided and it was reduced to simple volcanic rock.

That's about as logical as I can approach the idea.


I think the nature of the elemental and what he/she can control are two different things.

As I see it, an elemental can maintain his/her form anywhere, but the more unadapted/hostile is the environnement ( for example an ice elemental in a desert ), the more energy the elemental must spend to maintains his/her form. And once this energy is depleted, the spirit must leave the body and rest before inhabiting another.

I think the same goes for magic or abilities related to elements : a lava elemental could control lava as naturally as breathing, while he/she would need more energy to control rock and even more, to the point of it being almos impossible, to control water.
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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:33 am

An elemental doesn't need to be from the Nine Elements, but rather from an element of it's surrounding, most of which are related to the nine ones. For exemple, a Lava elemental and a Fire elemental are both associated to Fire, but the Lava one is made of lava and the other is made of flames, but their characteristics are similar. For Ice and Water, I prefer considering them separate since when you think about it, is water actually melted ice or is ice solid water? Kinda like the which came first, the chicken or the egg thing.
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PostSubject: Re: elementals   Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:27 pm

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An elemental doesn't need to be from the Nine Elements

In alchemy there are only four: fire, water, air and earth, but it's rumored there is a fifth. The other element are creating by mixing them

In Asia five : fire, wood, earth, metal, water
or fire, earth, wind, lightening, water

When we observe the different physics law, the first example is more close, wind and lightnening are activity linked to the air. Ice is the solid form of water. When water and earth mixed it gives wood because the plant find its nutriment both in the ground and the earth. Lava is create with stone with fire.

It depend just of the point of view Very Happy
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