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PostSubject: Stomach Acid   Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:22 pm

In all the years I've spent in this community, one complaint I find we get consistently is that if you don't adopt the MST3K Mantra really early on, the idea of vore is one of the most horrifying ideas imaginable.

I propose we find some way to lighten it in some way, if only to get everyone to shut up.


What I propose is that a predator's stomach secretes some kind of numbing agent. Not a paralytic, but something to quickly damage or subdue nerve endings. This agent is part of the compound that makes up a predator's stomach acid, ensuring it gets mixed in thoroughly. This adaptation is designed primarily to disorient a victim's movements, making it difficult for them to effectively fight their way out.
Since most predators don't have Crisis' stomach, I think some sort of defense mechanism designed to keep prey from tearing their way out would be reasonable. And it would be easier to stick to the comedic aspect of vore if we don't have to constantly push aside thoughts of the kind of unimaginable agony victims would have to go through.
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PostSubject: Re: Stomach Acid   Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:41 pm

I agree. Being slowly turned to vomit might be horrible if you don't die before it happens.

As for the numbing agent... how about a lack of oxygen and a tendency for the acid to dissolve it, thus robbing you of your precious oxygen that much faster?

For the defense mechanism, I think we can think about... maybe acid is twice effective for bone or metal, and this goes double for objects that have really thin parts, thus making sharp claws not an issue, as they dull out before you can make effective use of them. Also, peristaltically unstable footing, complete darkness, a suffocating atmosphere and being ankle-deep in something that's thicker than water will work too.

Also, while not all predators have Crisis' stomach, remember healing occurs quickly in Felarya, specially if you're resting naked against the ground. Even if something gives you trouble while you get your jollies on your stomach, all you'll need is a topless nap on the ground to be ready to make the same mistake again.

There's also the Marlene method: don't eat anything with clothes. Undress them first, so that they can't carry concealed weapons, and if you're feeling really nasty, do a cavity search and bite softly their hands before they go down...
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PostSubject: Re: Stomach Acid   Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:17 pm

oh to break their arms or something so they cant cast spells? yeah. that would mean you wouldn't be able to teleport your way out unless you found a way to cast with your feet.

I like the numbing thing, like the digestion happens in stages, it numbs you first, and mixes with a knock-out fluid for about 10 minutes to ensure you faint, numb. then it digests you.
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PostSubject: Re: Stomach Acid   Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:12 am

Stabs wrote:

There's also the Marlene method: don't eat anything with clothes. Undress them first, so that they can't carry concealed weapons, and if you're feeling really nasty, do a cavity search and bite softly their hands before they go down...

Preds shouldn't be able to completely strip human size beings.
Sure, loose clothes, cloaks and most armour could be ripped off, but as for everything else...
How can fingers that are (almost) as thick as your body pull off clothes without ripping off your skin with them?
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PostSubject: Re: Stomach Acid   Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:00 am

by being careful? they'll have the time probably
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PostSubject: Re: Stomach Acid   Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:16 am

The idea is interesting but a bit difficult to implement I think.
It could work well for a species but for all the preds in Felarya ?
while I understand your point, that would seem too forced, too "practical" I think...
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PostSubject: Re: Stomach Acid   Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:24 am

One thing that I'd like to point out, since it has been bugging me for a while:

Digestion would be a short process, since predators (or at least Crisis) can digest titanium.
Quote from the wiki: Even a marine in a armored titanium exo-skeleton would have no chance of survival.
Acid that can do that would make very short work of flesh.
Nerve endings would be quickly destroyed and death would occur not much later.
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PostSubject: Re: Stomach Acid   Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:38 am

Anime-Junkie wrote:
One thing that I'd like to point out, since it has been bugging me for a while:

Digestion would be a short process, since predators (or at least Crisis) can digest titanium.
Quote from the wiki: Even a marine in a armored titanium exo-skeleton would have no chance of survival.
Acid that can do that would make very short work of flesh.
Nerve endings would be quickly destroyed and death would occur not much later.


It never said it instantly digested them. It would take time to eat through the metal, and unless the suit was sealed, it would seep into the cracks. It just says that it would, in time, eat away at the titanium, not instantly melt it.

Acid is not an instantaneous thing, it would take time. The real limiting factor is air. A predator's stomach is a relatively small, enclosed space that would quickly become full of acid fumes. If any of you guys have had chemistry lab and have smelled Hydrochloric acid, you know that a good whiff will make you dizzy. Suffocation would likely happen within a few minutes, long before the real digestion begins (although, they'd likely be around long enough to feel some stinging).

Unless a pred gulps down air to keep their prey alive (wouldn't put it past Elle, and a couple others), the prey item would run out of air and suffocate in a few minutes, which is a bit more merciful than the acid.
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PostSubject: Re: Stomach Acid   Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:48 am

Yeah, I always considered asphyxiation the thing that does people in before they start actually being broken down. None of that 'OH GAWD MAH FEET ARE GOOOONE' stuff. So essentially whether the process is merciful in the way of the acid and enzymes working is concerned, is moot.

You're likely to have: 'Eww nasty stuff'. 'Very uncomfortable'. 'Ahhh running out of air'. *Gasping*. *Brain shuts down*. Then you're digested.
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PostSubject: Re: Stomach Acid   Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:33 am

im sure the acid would burn mildly at some point during your consciousness and make you go numb, then your brain shuts down, but yeah fish I hear ya.
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PostSubject: Re: Stomach Acid   Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:55 am

Yeh, I understand what you're saying. But titanium isn't (to my knowledge) very reactive to acid. It would take a very long time for it to be broken down. A marine in a sealed exoskeleton with a respirator would be able to survive quite a while.


Bael is right, the human body will only take so much pain before losing consciousness.
The question is what comes first; loss of consciousness due to pain or due to lack of oxygen.
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PostSubject: Re: Stomach Acid   Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:01 am

Ehhhh, I dunno. Like Karbo said, it sounds kinda artificial, not really in sync with the rest of the world. Sort of like if we were to try and come up with some reasoning for all the wildlife in Felarya to leave children and teenagers completely alone. It would probably make a few people less uncomfortable, but it would also feel out of place, at least to me. Also, call me a cynic, but I can't see people who find the idea of vore horrifying changing their minds just because we say: "Well yes, they ARE digested alive and all, but hey; at least it's not especially painful'.

But that's just me. Cool

Also, perhaps I'm evil or something, but the horrible, gory implications of vore don't really bother me, so long as they're kept mostly 'off camera', so to speak.
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PostSubject: Re: Stomach Acid   Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:13 am

im sure that to normal people (non-vores i mean) would define most of us as evil or inhuman just by not having a problem with humans being eaten.
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PostSubject: Re: Stomach Acid   Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:29 am

I dunno. I'm not sure that suffocating is a much "better" way of death. Digestion would be painful, true, unless there are numbing effects. I'd personally prefer dying directly from that than suffocation, even if it meant watching myself melt. It's essentially drowning. Being deprived of oxygen is not a nice experience at all, even if you do go unconscious after awhile. And it is just as panic inducing. I guess that the "gory" part of it doesn't bother me as much. That's how it works...

Anyway, I'd say death by digestion, painful or not painful, might be better than suffocation, as strange as that seems. But, whatever is realistic is best, I suppose...
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PostSubject: Re: Stomach Acid   Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:13 pm

Archmage_Bael wrote:
im sure that to normal people (non-vores i mean) would define most of us as evil or inhuman just by not having a problem with humans being eaten.
Hey, I don't (most) define you all as evil. You aren't hurting real people, after all, just fictional ones. It's like me being hurt at PC gamers for throwing Civ-class characters at Zerglings / Orcs / Sand Worms.

And I think the death by suffocation would occur before death by digestion anyways. Pred's don't chew, and usually stuff sits in the stomach for upward of several hours before going further. Unless the acid was akin to Xenomorph blood, it wouldn't burn you away fast enough to make suffocation a non-issue.
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