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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:21 am

well prinnydood said that first, and since I'm not sure how the moon cycles in felarya work out i decided to make the idea based on the times of day rather than cycles of various...weather-effecting objects (like the sun, moon, and similar things). I think it would be more consistent.

...Then again, this is felarya, who needs consistency?

...I expect someone with a sense of humor to reply to my attempt at humor.
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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:01 am

Well I finally finished the stillmoon pond. in the end I went for something a bit more simpler ^^
thank you for your ideas though Wink

it means now Oloonde lakeland is officially finished. A picture will follow quite soon XP
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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:40 pm

Oh nice ^_^

I'm tempted to write something up about the elves themselves. I believe I already wrote something in general for elves as a base, which is posted on my own ideas thread.

also, one more thing, you spelled "The same phenomenon can be observed at night, with a a large, majestic red moon suspsended in the sky,"

As a recap we still have this:

Fauna Section:
Volasauras
Buvikis Veridimis

Creatures:
Alguanes (AisuKaiko has a dryad race that can be used as a base)
Fire, Lightning, Lava Elementals
Verdoya Tribe (tomthumbs)

Locations:
Ruins of Old Supprozad
Island of Tranquility
Island of Infinity
Shard, Myriad River Rosic Neko village
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Buvikis Veridimus is Silent_Eric's great library creature/thing right?
As for Volasauras, I think that belongs to GREGOLE.
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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:32 pm

What would Lava Elementals do there? Where would you find lava in a lakeland?
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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:35 pm

You misunderstand me. What I meant by what "we still have this" was me referring to all the undescribed wiki entries since this thread was posted.
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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:00 pm

Oh, shorry.
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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:25 pm

s'ok Evil laugh
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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:07 am

Hmmm, I'll have to think up some elementals of other types so that the nature ones don't hog the spotlight.

Oh, and isn't Greekmuscle (Claire) working on Old Supprozad? Even if not directly he's done the best work on Dridders and maybe should be consulted.
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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:23 am

How about Light Elementals? I wrote an entry on that one about a year ago and it fell of deaf ears.
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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:35 am

Sean Okotami wrote:
How about Light Elementals? I wrote an entry on that one about a year ago and it fell of deaf ears.
Air elementals, earth elementals, water elementals and fire elementals all make their body out of some form of atomic matter. Darkness elementals (I assume) manipulate some form of matter into absorbing all light, or they use exotic matter. Light isn't atomic matter, it's sub atomic.Llight is a wave-particle, you can't really make a body out of it, unless you want to be constantly moving at lightspeed.

When it comes to elementals based off the old 'Classical' system of fire, water, earth and air; (and in some, aether) darkness and light don't quite fit.

However, as I mentioned before, you could have the darkness or light elemental have a body made of some normal matter that has been modified by the elemental spirit to emit to absorb light. Or there's the exotic matter option, which brings up all sorts of weirdness. (Cool weirdness though). Personally I think that exotic matter is better because otherwise the elementals would be air/water/earth/fire elementals + darkness or light.

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Thinking on this after a talk with Sean, I realised that a preferable thing would be this:
A light or darkness elemental does not take on something else to form its body. What it does instead is cause it's spirit to absorb or emit might, thus being visible to people without spirit sight.


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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:45 pm

Ideas for Laval Elemental Creatures

Lava Elementals are created from superheated rock. They live mostly in volcanic environments, near to the stuff of their creation. Lava elementals are particularly powerful as they have the immense power of a fire elemental combined with the regenerative powers of an earth elemental. The more intelligent spirits often take on humanoid forms, the most famous being Lava Lords like King Trazix. Lava elementals tend to have wide ranges of demeanor, from a grounded cheerfulness to a fiery temper when angered.


Mafexes

Mafexes are a lava elemental that lives nearly entirely within its element. They resemble fishes of a breathtakingly exotic and beautiful variety, all coloured blinding shades of orange, yellow and red and with many gossamer fins that shimmer and reform. The pattern of colours on their body shift as the lava they are made up of flows within their form. Despite their beauty it is not advised to get too close as even being within the proximity to one of these creatures can cause your to start to combust. They are however usually viewed at a distance as they live most of their lives leaping and swimming in lava flows. They do not need to eat as long as they are in their element and are mostly harmless, though as a curious species that is also dangerous to be near it is best not to attract their attention.

Gullins

Gullins are a very fearsome lava elemental that lives in volcanic areas. It resembles in shape a massive, over-muscled boar with a large sharp mane and two pairs of tusks. It appears however to be made of a dark cracked rock, through which can be seen veins of flowing lava. The bristles and eyes of the Gullin burn red hot, adding to its frightening appearance. While the outside of the Gullin is rocklike, its veins and stomach flow with lava. Their "stomach" would actually probably be better described as a furnace - whatever the Gullin eats is combusted here into fuel for the animal. While they roam around eating coal, the Gullins never seem to be satiated and will devour nearly anything to fuel themselves.


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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:50 pm

wiiieeerrd, I was just thinking about a lava elemental today. I didn't fully understand how elementals work though. Thanks to your post, I have a bit of a better idea.


I was thinking of calling this one a Monarch Firefly, even though it's actually a Butterfly shaped Lava Elemental. I was just thinking of how sweet a volcanic eruption would be with a giant Butterfly rising out of it.

The Fireflies had short lifespans and would initially destroy whatever they touched but in time something beautiful would grow there. Maybe a garden of unique flowers with legendary medicinal potential or a vineyard with fruit so sweet men would kill for it.


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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:23 am

I need to get this out, but overly specific types of elementals like Bramble Wolves just doesn't work for me. It should have only been what element, maybe sub-element, then leave the shape and level of intelligence open.
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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:31 am

Yeah, I'm for leaving it open too. Magic summoning could involve elementals as well, like in the warcraft universe, there are spells to summon a low-intelligence water elemental to fight at your side.

now a rock elemental...that's just called a golem XD but it could also be under the same page right? since it's basically an element with a soul.
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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:11 am

Mmm, I think a golem is different. I believe that it is a being which is given life through magical, artificial means. Like the magical equivalent of an AI. A true rock elemental would be a elemental spirit that inhabited a bunch of rocks and formed a body.


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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:32 pm

I agree with JT.
A golem's life is intrinsic to its body, but an elemental can live without it's material body, although they can't do too much in that state.
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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:40 pm

that's like saying a clone of a human is not a human just because it's not born naturally.

it doesn't matter, a golem and rock elemental are both rocks with spirits/souls in them, whether or not they're made artificially should not change their species label.
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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:48 pm

No... that would be saying that a clone is the same thing as an advanced robot. You could call them both human, but they arrived at that state in very different ways. A golem could not exist without its body, something that is intrinsic to being a spirit based elemental.

A more direct analogy is that you are saying that ghosts are the same thing as computer AIs. XP

It's what's on the inside that counts. A golem's spirit, while no less valid or "human" than an elementals, was not created via the natural world.
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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Thu Dec 23, 2010 1:52 am

Well if you bind a spirit to a golem sure, but Golems can also be made by just having the clay body and animating it with an instruction spell. The golem will only perform tasks that are part of it's instructions. The more instructions the golem has, the more it will be able to do.

Another way is creating instructions (once again) and having it animated with divine or demonic magic by praying.
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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:35 am

A golem is an automaton, i.e. a robot, animated by magic. An elemental is usually raw magical force with some degree of sentience, or in Felarya, a spirit that bonded of its own will with some landscape or some kind of energy.
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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Thu Dec 23, 2010 6:04 am

Is the definition of a Golem limited to only clay and such? Couldn't you in turn have things like an Armor Golem (animated armor), a Bone Golem (D&D ripoff), and so on? I tend to lean towards Sean's definition of Golem in this case. A golem doesn't really have a mind. It has more of a program of sorts, but as with all magic that set of parameters can be stretched and possibly broken (especially on Felarya).
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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Thu Dec 23, 2010 6:08 am

I had a dictionary that described golem as automatons.
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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Thu Dec 23, 2010 6:26 am

Right! I think the main point of contention is whether the Golem has a soul/sentience/what-have-you or not. I think using a Golem on Felarya could be a bit dicey though. I mean, who's to say an Elemental or some other spirit won't simply hop inside that empty body and take it for a spin! Not to mention the possibility of it gaining sentience or something of the like.

"Golem! Attack and subdue that Naga!"
"... naw that's okay. I'd rather sit down with her and have a nice chat over tea. She looks like a charming young woman."
"... wat." -_-
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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:41 am

Well yeah sure you can have metal and armour golems. Clay is just the easiest so i didn't use another example.
As for elementals taking over the body, I'd say that if they were powerful enough to override the animating spell or blessing then thy could. However if the body wasn't quite "right" for them it wouldn't be as easy for them to move as a body they made themselves would be.
I wouldn't call it a common occurrence.
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PostSubject: Re: undescribed wiki entries   Thu Dec 23, 2010 2:58 pm

Yes, there are a variety of golems of different substances. They are common in that it is magic which gives them "life", not computers or a spirit.

As for an elemental using a golem body... well, if you have a golem made only out of one substance and the elemental was strong enough to override the spell, like AJ said, then that might be possible. An earth elemental could maybe use a clay golem, for example.
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