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Krisexy26 Survivor
Posts : 775 Join date : 2010-01-17 Age : 40 Location : Where the river narrows
| Subject: Problem with how threads are handled Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:19 pm | |
| Okay, this is in direct link with this thread, I suggest you go read it to get a better idea last 2 pages) : Just click hereOkay. I don't want to continue the debat that happened there. Well... yes and no... it'll probably resurface anyways. But before it comes back, I wanna talk about something else that is frustrating me (it's a too big word but I can't find any others). I'm talking about thread locking. You see... I'm completely agaisnt. But before, I must specify what kind of locking. When it's a necropost from someone who didnt really have an idea to revive the thread, yeah, lock it. BUT When people are talking about a serious subject where they show some of their concers, I find COMPLETELY IMPOLITE AND FRUSTRATING to see a mod coming and say something like "Kay, this went too far, locking." No! NO NO NO! It's completely stupid. You are breaking a conversation. It's not because we seem a bit "harsh" that we are starting a flame war and all. Of course someone will be complaining, it's the basis of a debate! And if I look at the thread I've linked, everything was doing just fine. I saw no insults (apart Zion's towards Ike), it wasnt degenerating. The least a mod could have done would have been to split the thread and create a new one because we were now off the thread's subject. Now here, I will quote something so intelligent that Cliff said, soemthing I am now admiring him for (by the way cliff, huge parenthesis, I would love to date you in real i it wasnt because of the distance. Seriously, the way youre acting attracts me! ANYWAYS!) so here is the quote: - Quote :
- We'd just talk things out with people who broke the rules via PM's, MSN or Vent, and make sure they know they were wrong.
- Quote :
- DIPLOMACY is your friend when dealing with this kind of stuff. It takes a soft touch, to avoid pissing people off and/or putting tensions on the rise. Save the harsh fist of modship for true trolls and troublemakers.
Wow. This resumes all. So, taken out of its context, it's pretty much what I want to happen: let the people talk. Do you (mods) know what it does to lock a thread? Cliff said it (although he was talking about banning), it creates tension! And we you guys unlock the thread like...way too much later, the whole thing is all dead, but the tension is still there. And you know what? It'll create another huge ehm..how you call it...flameshit? No, shitstorm! Yeah, shitstorm. And that's something I think people do not want. So. I'm not here talking about banishment methods. I'm talking about letting us, everyone, civilised people, handle our problem. We're all adults (we should be). Thank you | |
| | | Darkstorm Zero Moderator
Posts : 727 Join date : 2008-02-06 Age : 42 Location : The road to Hell
| Subject: Re: Problem with how threads are handled Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:28 pm | |
| I've split the topic off. The unplesantness was completely unneeded and had derailed the thread to the point of closure.
I'm sorry, but a moderators job is to keep the forums running smoothly. The thread was derailed, and people where challenging decisions publically instead of taking their concerns to PMs.
No more.
The correct decision was made. | |
| | | Anime-Junkie Loremaster
Posts : 2690 Join date : 2007-12-16 Age : 31 Location : The Country of Kangaroos and Criminal Scum
| Subject: Re: Problem with how threads are handled Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:52 pm | |
| - As I've said before:
Forums are useful, but they have limitations. One of those most obvious limitations is the lack of real-time response form posters. This isn't necessarily a limitation as it allows users in different timezones to communicate without the need for both users to users to be online at the same time.
Forums remove some of the most important parts of human interaction. Those 'important parts' are nonverbal communication and response time. These signals that we receive from other people build the concept that one are talking to another human being. Without these, one is far less likely take into consideration the things that one would normally do when talking to a person.
The importance of body language is obvious, it conveys things that aren't spoken, but it is not necessary. The ability to read body language varies from person to person, there are many people in the world who can't ready body language at all. They still are able to communicate though. Body language adds a great deal of information an interaction. In a conversation body language communicates to the participants in a the overall mood of the other person towards the listener or in the case of the speaker, what they are saying. In face-to-face interaction, body language is a large percentage of the actual communication. In addition to conveying information about the other person, body language also lets the viewer know that the other person is a real person. Body language conveys emotions and feelings. When one reads it they know that they are talking with a real person because real people have emotions and feelings.
The second is tone of voice. This feedback is one way at a time as it is can not simultaneously be sent and received like body language can. Nevertheless, it is still very important. Tone is the modifier for words. Different tones can completely change the meaning of words. Tones also convey emotion and feeling. Again, like body language it gives listeners the non-verbal information that reinforces the knowledge that they are talking to a real person.
Response time and tone are the relevant things here. Obviously when one is talking to a person, the person must be there. When communicating by test, the only way for the participants to know that someone is there is by their responses. On instant messengers, the response from the other person indicates that one is speaking to a person. On forums, this does not exist. There is nothing to re-enforce the knowledge that one is communicating with real people and so that concept breaks down and people do not consider others. This leads to people just getting their own say, rather than considering what the other person is saying, they will just put their own opinion out there over and over again.1
When using text communication, tone is absent. This leaves the reader to assign their own tone to the text. Not everyone does this to the same extent. Some people assign strong tones and others do not. This often depends on how literal minded the reader is. The type of tone depends on a few things; what the reader thinks of the person sending the message, the mood of the reader and how they read language idiosyncrasies and slang. Language idiosyncrasies, slang and other things usually have a tone to them when spoken. The tone in which they are spoken in can radically change the meaning of the words. With the absence of this tone it is up to the reader to determine what the person meant.
This presents a large problem, especially on forums. Instead of processing the message as something sent from another person, the reader processes the message as something written in their own way of communicating. This is often a grave mistake as different people have different ways of communicating. Some people may use more formal language or a more aggressive vocabulary without really meaning for the message to be especially formal or aggressive. It's just the way they speak.
Due to this, when communicating over a forum about a subject that the participants have an emotional attachment to, emotional tones are projected onto the messages, especially negative ones. This is often a really bad thing, because most messages aren't sent with a negative tone and projecting one on to it leads to gross misunderstandings.
The reason for this is that message about a subject that a person has emotional attachments to or that should obviously have emotional tones is assigned these tones subconsciously because people can see that they should to be there.
It's far easier to be an ass to unresponding text than to a human.
MSN, Ventrilo, Yahoo, the chatbox, any instant messenger is better than a forum for sorting out things. PM can also work. Krisexy, you know that you get on better with people who you disagree with on the forum when you are using an instant messenger. Most people do. This is why I believe that the thread should be locked, so people go onto IM or PM and sort it out there where it's far more likely to be sorted out. | |
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