Interplanetary Population control.

I have a world designed that it's military is its population control, they run battles just to kill off their populace, I have integrated a character from the world, I'm sure you all have met him at least once, though I renamed him recently to Wolfspian due to him having the same name as all my solo run characters... -cough- They created a wormhole with their technology(their world is actually anti magic) and they now feed 'mercenaries' through the portal off to the other side for training purposes, with of course a high death rate. I was thinking what if this planet actually just dialed in to felerya and started shipping off its populace to keep the ages (age 21 your enrolled to fight) and population of the world down. As a few of you have found out in rp, they are dropped in at grove of carnivorous plants and walk to green hell to set up a base to train. Those that survive the initial drop zone organize up and march to Negav to meet one of many potential guides that have made the march before hand, if no one shows up from base point A within four days they are to make the way to the base camp themselves, and from there travel a set of 'camp sites' toward green hell.
If anyone ever does make it to the end of the death march, they are to make a base in the region for future troops to try and make it too.

Currently there is a base (according to Wolfspian one of the first teams to actual use the portal system) In a tree near the outskirts of green hell, under the aid of an elemental that Wolfspian was partially infused with due to the portal drop marderen of error. The base holds 4 soldiers of the currently 7000 deployed

The device is held by one of the Companies of the world, Raven corporation, who is more interested in making money from the device then using it to settle other worlds.

The 3 companies:

Spyder Industries: The smallest of the companies that rule the planet, they are a war based company living on the outskirts of the demilitarized zones. They tend to the farm land, and keep animal population in urban areas down, and is in control of dictating how the wars well happen, how to kill off the victors of the last war to stop them from keeping people from dying.

Raven Corporation: They are the main technological based company, they make everything, from the hologram parks to the touch screen doorway. Their cities are as pretty as a white cube, only people wearing their holo helmets can see doors, windows, or anything thats not just a white hallway in general. They have research factories to force their technology ahead.

Templars: This company is on the principle of heaven and hell. Hell is rather painful body modification, heaven is pleasure. They sell deal and own both. But if you want wings, they can do it, you want to spend the last hours before your 21 on a drug educed emphorira of exastcy, they got the drugs. Also Music, they do the music too.. you know.. if you like listening to music...

The device: The device is a wormhole generator that can define the outcome of its results by entering numeral codes last produce by the two worlds connecting, it is only 5 years old and just started sending out explorers know as soul doll, a bio-organic life that obeys commands and transmitter thought and memories to a central monitoring station. Recently it has been started to be used for profit, by sending the ones who are to fight in wars to other planets, to hopefully die, the other companies pay to have them sent off, thus stopping the need to rebuild battle grounds.


thoughts?


(now I must sleep, I get to work in 5 hours xwx I just only got off)

Wait, so let me get this straight.

We have a planet can dail other worlds, and they have a population proublem. And instead of doing the rational and simply sensible thing of searching a safe world they can colonize and use to expand their empire or make a deal with already existing worlds, which isn't only humane but would give their world more influance and power......instead they simply jump to the conclusion that the best idea would to kill their own people in battles instead, which is a waste of time, resources, talented people and creates a psychologically unhealthy socitey.

WHY?

Their world has been like this for years, the portal technology is withheld by a company, and they are making a profit, its all about the money, not about 'the right thing' to do. Give me time to get food and get home ill go in more on the companies and such

Thywolf wrote:

Their world has been like this for years, the portal technology is withheld by a company, and they are making a profit, its all about the money, not about 'the right thing' to do. Give me time to get food and get home ill go in more on the companies and such

Er, the company itself could colonize worlds and offer homes for the over-populated world, mining for precious minerals and things :/
I agree with Darkone.

Raven corporation: Colonization, you mean spend money to send people out of our monitoring devices where they do no need our technology to preform basic tasks, sounds like it well only create a siphoning black hole in our profits. How ever shipping the death tol out every few days, and getting paid twice as much as it cost to run the machine, now that is profit making, our technology is only a few years old, once we ship them out they no longer are able to come back until the term of their life commitment is served. Our planet is well sustained and in fact we could very well have room to grow,l but the limits where set 1000 years ago, and well, change, doesn't need to happen, everyone over 21 can fit to live as they have been, and if our population dips too low, the Raven corporation well gladly take the funding to further produce their genetically unique clones.


The 3 companies:

Spyder Industries: The smallest of the companies that rule the planet, they are a war based company living on the outskirts of the demilitarized zones. They tend to the farm land, and keep animal population in urban areas down, and is in control of dictating how the wars well happen, how to kill off the victors of the last war to stop them from keeping people from dying

Raven Corporation: They are the main technological based company, they make everything, from the hologram parks to the touch screen doorway. Their cities are as pretty as a white cube, only people wearing their holo helmets can see doors, windows, or anything thats not just a white hallway in general. They have research factories to force their technology ahead.

Templars: This company is on the principle of heaven and hell. Hell is rather painful body modification, heaven is pleasure. They sell deal and own both. But if you want wings, they can do it, you want to spend the last hours before your 21 on a drug educed emphorira of exastcy, they got the drugs. Also Music, they do the music too.. you know.. if you like listening to music...

Needs a little work to be honest, but it's a start.

You never underestimate the value of labor after all.

Thywolf, do you understand how economics work? Or did you get your ideas from the Umbrella Corperation (Who's bisniess plan for their 'Bio Weapons Devision' is to test it on a city, which fucked up their repertation as a reliable company when it got and scared off their shareholders)

Everyone knows you have to spend money and effort to get a good payoff. You seem to have created a socitey that is happy to cripple itself, with no chance of getting better or expanding because the corperation is lazy and doesn't want to change their old plans out of stubbornness and shortsightedness

DarkOne wrote:

the corperation is lazy and doesn't want to change their old plans out of stubbornness and shortsightedness

Ding

The uh, overall concept of shipping people off to die isn't inherently illogical, but as far as I can see it's tough to come up with a sound context supporting it. Your idea isn't bad, but... well, it doesn't hold water all that well. I agree that a much more sensible - and profitable - strategy would be what DarkOne said: colonize someplace. Have they run out of other universes? Are they only able to travel to a limited number of worlds via wormhole, Felarya being one of them?
And back to population control: as I think I mentioned in an RP before, why not just limit the birth rate rather than kill existing people? More efficient, less barbaric. And cheaper.

The only way this could work is that the corperation is surposed to be inept and insane, like in the Simpsons where one of mr Burns plans of removing plutonium from his plant was to sneak it into Homer's bag (which backfired when Homer left his bag in an public space and the police thought it was an terroist device and tried blowing it up, causing an nuclear explotion)

But in order to go that direction, the narrative itself should be kinda ubsurd and play it up for laughs. I don't know if that's what you was going for because otherwise I can't see how this situration can be treated as serious.

Their world has been doing this for over a thousand years, it is just like a religion, you don't question it, there is no reason too, sure there may be some people who are like "hey, stop this nonsense" but since the the rest of the world views it as one way, guess who the crazy one is?

it would be like going to another dimension and trying to explain what god is, or religion of any sort, if no one has thought of things that way yet, felarya is the first planet that has any other humonid life, they actually have bumped into and its perfect of killing off anyone who is over 21, to them, people just never needed to live longer then that.

Well that would be fine, but you still haven't explained how they came to this conclusion? If it's been going on for thousands of years, how did it start? There had to be an origin and a reason why people choose it over anything else. Something has to come from something, it's no good to just say "They were always like that" that just does not follow basic law of cause and effect.

Since you menctioned Religons I'll use that as an example, most religions have a starting point and for their time worked very well. Most religions like christianity came about because people long time ago had no control of anything or understood anything. They were scared and it was comforting for them to think there is a God, a being that has control and great wisdom, looking out for them. And the faith grew because it gave hope and reasureance to people in those hard times.

And most of us know how things like Christianty came about, we know of their history in Egypt, how it grew during the Roman empire and how it became dominant in the middle-ages. It's not something most of us assume to be "Just the way it is" because we record our past.

I suppose if it's been the norm for a while and nobody's left who's over 21, it's a bit more viable. Young people such as this are more susceptible to irrational thoughts of this nature (See "Lord of the Flies"). Only a bit though.

The reason for the cut of, over population and the planet not meeting the requirements of the people, the solution back then was decided to cut the population, drastically. the planet was put into isolation zones, everyone else was killed off, then they started to regulate the ages of the people living, and then that got out of control and set to pretty much no one reaching the age 23, ever again. they considered that out right killing then was too savage and just started to run wars and eventually the people over age would kill off each other

There are those who do make it to age 22 on the planet, and they become know as veterans and are high priority targets in the next war.

How does one simply engineer a war? They usually happen for an actual reason, be it good or otherwise. Is is simply a Nineteen-Eighty-Four-esqe "We've always been at war with X group" later followed by, "X people are our allies and always have been, we are at war with Y group and always have been" and nobody questions it?

This is a significantly different psychology you're talking about, but remember that even in Nineteen-Eighty-Four, Orwell subtly implies that the system in place does eventually fail/is overthrown.
(The Appendix to the book was written in past tense.)

You got 3 companies, one has half the world population eating out of the palm of its hand (raven) 1 that is control of the food (Spyder) and one that has all the drugs, biological alterations and entertainment (Templar) you have 3 sides to fight it out and kill off your populace, recently the cheaper alternative then rebuilding your warzones, is pay to have them removed

DarkOne wrote:

Wait, so let me get this straight.

We have a planet can dail other worlds, and they have a population proublem. And instead of doing the rational and simply sensible thing of searching a safe world they can colonize and use to expand their empire or make a deal with already existing worlds, which isn't only humane but would give their world more influance and power......instead they simply jump to the conclusion that the best idea would to kill their own people in battles instead, which is a waste of time, resources, talented people and creates a psychologically unhealthy socitey.

WHY?

Agreed, including the fact that sending their own people to die for useless wars. Wouldn't that cause a riot, considering the way that they are being treated?

Nephilim wrote:

DarkOne wrote:

Wait, so let me get this straight.

We have a planet can dail other worlds, and they have a population proublem. And instead of doing the rational and simply sensible thing of searching a safe world they can colonize and use to expand their empire or make a deal with already existing worlds, which isn't only humane but would give their world more influance and power......instead they simply jump to the conclusion that the best idea would to kill their own people in battles instead, which is a waste of time, resources, talented people and creates a psychologically unhealthy socitey.

WHY?

Agreed, including the fact that sending their own people to die for useless wars. Wouldn't that cause a riot, considering the way that they are being treated?

As said before, this is not new to them it been over 1000 years, and most the planets been turned into a demilitarized zone, well you could have said there where roots, they pretty much killed most the worlds population off, it was a conform and you might live

okay, let's change tact. What are you trying to do with this world exactly? just Roleplay? A story? Because eitherway I don't understand why would anyone would want to be invested with any characters from this setting. They are frankly hopeless and have dug themselves into a crapshack world for a reason they don't care to remember, and can't be arsed to get themselves out of it. It seems Grimdark for the sake of being Grimdark

Is there a journey of discovery and some of the characters are going to question this way of thinking and move away from that life and develop redeeming qualities and grow as people in felarya?

Or are these characters surpossed to be an cautionary tale, fated to succumb to their flaws at the hands of native Felarya beings?

Or are they just going to come over, go through battle after battle, and we are surposed to want to engage with these people and root for them, even though we have no reason to care about a pointlessly voilent culture that was happy to march straight into trouble?

For Rp purposes, currently im the only one with a character from the world, Wolfspian, and Sildre(she's a souldoll though) Wolfspian is coming around to realize that he has a chance to actually survive past 22 years of age, and he wants more from his planet safe, trying to get locals to help... For some strange reason they just pass him off as crazy~

He has orders to build and maintain a base out in the worse possible area, though he's cheating by only being on the outskirts, there is a grand total of four people living inside a tress and digging underground tunnels. (they are unnamed cept wolfspian) They are also the same people that well have taken over a radio station, That Uyir (the elemental thats aiding them) grew the tree for them utilizing it. Also Dawnstar the fairy has taken interest in them cause she like their uniforms.



Just imagion going to a world that is as deadly as felayra and having more of a chance to live, in fact living longer the 22 is unheard of, the culture shock alone can be fun to rp.

this world started out on a different site, but they where being shipped out to fight wars for other planets, after training in the multi-verse in the worse places they could, sorta just tuned their history back to a few years after getting the wormhole device

So wait, absolutely noone on this planet is older than 22?........Well no bloody wonder why their corperations are inept, they are mostly run by teenagers with no life experaince.

Most the information the companies go on is recorded history and documented memories

I would possibly change that age to 45, since that is where humans peak in physical maturation. Or so I've heard.

Pendragon wrote:

I would possibly change that age to 45, since that is where humans peak in physical maturation. Or so I've heard.

Make the old fight to the death!

Besides we all know that people are better tasting younger

Thywolf wrote:

Pendragon wrote:

I would possibly change that age to 45, since that is where humans peak in physical maturation. Or so I've heard.

Make the old fight to the death!

Why not? I thought this was about population control. And if it truely was about population control, then there would be no issues about waiting to an older age to kill people off.

But let's be honest, this entire thing isn't really about population control, that's the justication that's been put onto it. Too me it appears deep down it's really about these guys being blood thirty and are obsessed with battles. You seem to have made this socitey more interested in battles rather than solving the problem of population at hand and have only acheived making their lives worse, almost as if a battle would been their answer to anything. That will work if it's for comic effect, in a mindless Grimdark to the point of being silly sort of way. But if it's surpossed to be taken seriously, then I can't see it working.