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PostSubject: Re: Grimdark RP Preparation Thread   Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:46 pm

I don't really know what you mean by *stomach juices made lightsabers short out?" She doesn't eat people if that's what you mean.
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PostSubject: Re: Grimdark RP Preparation Thread   Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:49 pm

We aren't talking about your char Ultimate. We were just discussing if a lightsaber would work inside a stomach. I reckon that it would, but if the stomach belongs to Crisis you might as well use the saber on yourself. XD
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PostSubject: Re: Grimdark RP Preparation Thread   Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:56 pm

Falling, dude! If the thing's at your hip and you land ass-first in stomach acid, it's not really going to make a difference how not full of acid it is. XD
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PostSubject: Re: Grimdark RP Preparation Thread   Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:56 pm

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We aren't talking about your char Ultimate. We were just discussing if a lightsaber would work inside a stomach. I reckon that it would, but if the stomach belongs to Crisis you might as well use the saber on yourself. XD
Ah, I see. XD Also, I can't see that my character is gonna get along very well with Saens'. xD
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PostSubject: Re: Grimdark RP Preparation Thread   Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:15 pm

Wait Nyaha making them look up to her would make her mary-sue or keeping what I have? =o And I probably should have stated more clearly that when in the village her trying to be better than everyone got her trouble, because it made her get in other people's way! XD For instance if there was some prey before them and someone else had a better shot at it, she would get in the way. Often times letting valuable food get away because of her insistant need to be number 1 ^^ The skin color change was simply something that I thought looked cool in my head and a shout out to a manga I use to read ^^ I'll get rid of the element type though XD

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PostSubject: Re: Grimdark RP Preparation Thread   Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:27 pm

Sounds good. I'll tone down his abilities and remove his physical skills. ^_^
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PostSubject: Re: Grimdark RP Preparation Thread   Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:32 pm

When you explain their dislike of her like that it makes more sense. Be sure to put that in there. Also, her being looked up to would make her mary sue, but you've explained that already so nevermind.

Ultimate, would you mind spoilering your siggy? ^^; It kinda' makes my computer run funky whenever it shows up on screen.
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PostSubject: Re: Grimdark RP Preparation Thread   Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:34 pm

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When you explain their dislike of her like that it makes more sense. Be sure to put that in there. Also, her being looked up to would make her mary sue, but you've explained that already so nevermind.

Ultimate, would you mind spoilering your siggy? ^^; It kinda' makes my computer run funky whenever it shows up on screen.

Okay, sowwy.
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PostSubject: Re: Grimdark RP Preparation Thread   Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:38 pm

So when we planning on starting? Just curious. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Grimdark RP Preparation Thread   Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:50 pm

I've been given free reign to start the RP, however as this is Nyaha's baby, I'm going to come up with the first post and send it to him for confirmation, as it does kind of set the tone for the rest of the game.
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PostSubject: Re: Grimdark RP Preparation Thread   Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:56 pm

Sounds like a plan. I eagerly await this rp. ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Grimdark RP Preparation Thread   Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:29 pm

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I bet you could detonate a nuke in her belly and it would do nothing but make her a little gassy. XD

Yeah... nah. I think that at least would get through. Maybe some of those preds that have that whole "magic stomach" that's also a mini-dimension or whatever would take it, but as far as I know Crisis is not one of them. I'm thus picturing a few charred bits of Crisis stuck to trees here and there, the rest of her vaporized. Because nukes.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure you were kidding so I'll quit ranting about it xD
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PostSubject: Re: Grimdark RP Preparation Thread   Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:33 pm

True... Besides, even if the explosion didn't kill her, the radiation would.
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PostSubject: Re: Grimdark RP Preparation Thread   Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:07 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Grimdark RP Preparation Thread   Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:25 am

Nope, I still think there's too much there. -.- I don't see why he needs the wire glove weapons or the poisons when he has such powerful psionic ability, and seriously, you need to give him some sort of physical foil or weakness to balance those out. Also, don't forget to change his current version so that it includes 17 years worth of character development (which doesn't have to be a great change, like I said, but it should be significant enough to differentiate him from his present time self.)
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PostSubject: Re: Grimdark RP Preparation Thread   Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:02 am

If I may cast my opinions on this subject, I agree with Nyaha. Here, let me try to sum up the things that start ringing OP alarm bells.

>Mind reading is a very controversial power. Why? Because it is essentially god modding. Since you know everything a person is thinking, you could just avoid all of their attacks, or know in advance what they plan to do. Outside of combat, mind reading means that characters cannot keep secrets, which dilute the plot and makes it less enjoyable.

>Judging by the way you describe his gauntlets, they are essentially like lightsabers. Thats pretty OP already, but as if that wasn't enough, the fact you can manioulate the wires with the mind means that there is no dodging them. How could an opponent dodge one of your attacks if you knew which way he was going to dodge thanks to mind reading? Get the picture?

>Psychokinesis is fine, but telekinesis needs limits. If you can pick an opponent up with telekinesis, there is no resisting it and you are practically controlling their character. AKA godmodding.

>The amount of equipment he carries is rediculous, not even a proffessional mercenary would carry so much gear. Combine that with his psychic abilities and thats a one man army you have there.

>There are no flaws in his personality! You say that he is mentally unstable, and then contradict yourself by saying he is logical. He is practically immune to pain by the sounds of things aswell! What are his fears? Does he mask his fears in pride and confidence? Is he sao evil becuase of something from his past? At the moment his personality is extremely shallow.

Honestly, I could go on and on, giving you a ton of things that ring alarm bells.

Your character, as it stands currently, has OP written ALL over it. A GM would have to be a moron to allow a character like that into their rp.

So why am I telling you this? Because I made the same mistake too! When I wrote Mortis' bio for the first time, I thought it was fine at the time, but looking back now I see how rediculously OP he was. Thats why over the years since then, I made tweaks here and there to both his personality and to his abilities. Balance is the key word here. For every plus there must be a minus that is equal too, or greater then, the plus. As a rule of thumb, a character should ALWAYS have more weaknesses then strengths. No one wants to see a character that can just click his fingers and ahnihilate a predator. Think about it! If your char were to go up against a giant naga you would win one hundred percent of the time. And it would be EASY. Thats the point you see. Theres nothing wrong with winning, but you have earn your win. If you have OP powers that just kill everything easily, then no one cares.

Nergal needs ALOT of work. I'm not going to lie to you or sugarcoat the truth. As of right now, Nergal is completely unacceptable. There isn't even one redeeming factor in his bio. Not even one! Not one good thing can be said about him right now. So hes powerful, so what? Power isn't a quallity. Power must be balanced and carefully maintained.

I'm not saying you should give up on rping, and I'm not saying that Nergal will ALWAYS be OP. He just needs a major overhaul. If you need any assistance, like if you want to know what is and isn't OP, I will be glad to help you out. ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Grimdark RP Preparation Thread   Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:18 am

Uh Mortis don't you think your being a tad mean or a bit rude? =o Sorry for getting involved and I agree with a lot of stuff you said but I'm not sure you needed to say it the way you did exactly. I think there is a better way to help Darth tone down his character than with the tone you used. I mean we aren't GMing this game anyway. I think Nyaha was handling it well already, he was pointing out things he didn't like or doesn't think will work without it sounding like a personal attack. Darth doesn't strike me as the type that needs to be slapped down in order to understand something needs to be changed ^^ I understand some people do need the no sugar coating treatment.
So yeah just my two cents ^^ again I apologize about being nosy and taking up space in your thread Nyaha X<
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PostSubject: Re: Grimdark RP Preparation Thread   Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:29 am

It's okay, Saen, I'm proud of you for sticking up for your beliefs. But I'm actually glad Mort stepped in to back me up here. ^.^ I know that what he said sounds harsh, and that's because it totally is, but at the same time I don't think he was being rude or doing it to be rude. The main thing there is that he didn't swear. That's always a nice touch in criticism, plus I think the relative harshness is justified given the amount of problems with Nergal's character, y'know?
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PostSubject: Re: Grimdark RP Preparation Thread   Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:46 am

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Nope, I still think there's too much there. -.- I don't see why he needs the wire glove weapons or the poisons when he has such powerful psionic ability, and seriously, you need to give him some sort of physical foil or weakness to balance those out. Also, don't forget to change his current version so that it includes 17 years worth of character development (which doesn't have to be a great change, like I said, but it should be significant enough to differentiate him from his present time self.)

Well he uses the wires with his Psionic abilities, so they go hand in hand. Also, I wouldn't trust my life to a single ability no matter how powerful it is, and since Nergal is a lot smarter, decietful, and deadly then I'll ever be I can be sure he wouldn't either. Think of it like magic, a wizard isn't going to trust their life only on their magic because there are things in Felarya that are immune to magic. Therefore, wizards, and all spellcasters, have backup plans and weapons. Heck, Kira, who uses energy based magic, also has her gloves and boots. The same goes with Psions. Psionic abilities are not infalible, just like magic is not infalible.

I went ahead and removed the poisons thoigh, since you do make a good point. The herbs stay though, since everyone can make good use of herbs, and also because I added things that really are useless in a fight but are still nice to have.

He does have the physical weakness that naturally comes with being a Psionic. If he opens his mind up, even for an instant, things are capable of getting in, especially in this kind of an RP world. He also loses presicion and focus when he moves while using his Psionic abilities, which can be devastating if it happens at the wrong moment. Having your focus broken while you're trying to fight your way into another person's mind not only makes you have to start over, but it gives your target a chance to turn the tables and enter your mind.

His skills would roughly stay the same after 17 years, he'd just become more proficient with them. Like he would need to concentrate less and less to use certain skills. For example, he could lift something small, like around the size of a tiny, without a second thought. It would make him a more effective fighter, but that's about it. His personality would remain mostly the same.
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PostSubject: Re: Grimdark RP Preparation Thread   Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:53 pm

See, there's another problem. I don't think it would, his personality. There should be at least some small, significant thing that happens to him and changes how he thinks or how he looks at certain things, something! Otherwise what's the point of this being set in the future? D:
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PostSubject: Re: Grimdark RP Preparation Thread   Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:05 pm

Aaand there, I went ahead and scrapped Nergal until he is ready for a large scale RP like this. ^_^ Now we have the future Leila.

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PostSubject: Re: Grimdark RP Preparation Thread   Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:05 pm

Now this one sounds exciting. Let's get this ball rolling!
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