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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:13 am

Well, while we're on the anime tangent. Just about any Awakened Being from Claymore could have 50-50 chances against most Felaryan predators. Likewise, any Claymore that could single-handedly kill an Awakened Being would stand an equal chance. Though the Claymore setting is petty believable as being set in a far-off corner of Felarya itself, with Isley, Riful and Priscilla all being near-guardian level (Isley and Riful at least, have apparently wiped out a civilization in their respective domains.)
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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:19 am

I'm not too familiar with Claymore, but what I've seen doesn't really impress me much for the average person. Pretty powerful for an anime realm that isn't meant to be super happy, but not what I'd think could last on Felarya.

For anime myself:

+ Angel Arms are overkill. As such, I recommend them being standard officer equipment.
+ Guts may, MAY be capable of taking on a Predator, depending on his equipment and what era he is from.
+ Violent Jack could deal with most of the 20'-under Predators on his own. He treats Helicopters as a throwing weapon, and has taken a Stinger Missile to the chest before and emerged 'unharmed'.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:23 am

In the Video Game area, Dante and Nero from Devil May Cry 4 would be more than enough. The Reason? Two words: Devil Trigger.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:33 am

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Well, while we're on the anime tangent. Just about any Awakened Being from Claymore could have 50-50 chances against most Felaryan predators. Likewise, any Claymore that could single-handedly kill an Awakened Being would stand an equal chance. Though the Claymore setting is petty believable as being set in a far-off corner of Felarya itself, with Isley, Riful and Priscilla all being near-guardian level (Isley and Riful at least, have apparently wiped out a civilization in their respective domains.)

Excellent point. I would consider the Awakened to fall under the category of Predators themselves, but it is definitely a valid example. Pretty much any single-digit Claymore, or any Claymore numbered 10-20, from any generation are serious threats to most predators. As you said, anything less powerful than a Guardian is going to be in trouble if it pisses off any of the Abyssal Ones, or Priscilla (who is even stronger than them). No

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I'm not too familiar with Claymore, but what I've seen doesn't really impress me much for the average person. Pretty powerful for an anime realm that isn't meant to be super happy, but not what I'd think could last on Felarya.

Unless you've gotten fairly far into the series, there just isn't really anything that impressive. It's once the the ball starts rolling for the Northern Campaign that you realize all those Youma the Claymores you see early on having difficulty with... well, those are the weak ones. The difference in power between them and the truly powerful Awakened are far greater than the differences in power between a Claymore and a normal human being. Any of the Abyssal Ones is single-handedly capable of wiping out a continent; not just every living thing on it, but destroying the continent itself.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:17 pm

I figure sense a stomach of a pred is so tough,the skin itself would be darn near impenetrable,so you would probably need to be inside the pred first,but as for what comes next..i dunno.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:59 pm

A Vorpal blade might help.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:18 pm

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I figure sense a stomach of a pred is so tough,the skin itself would be darn near impenetrable,so you would probably need to be inside the pred first,but as for what comes next..i dunno.

The problem with that lies in terms of reasoning. Just because your skin is " Superman-invulnerable", does not mean your internal organs are. Likewise, just because your stomach is highly resistant to damage, does not mean your skin, or eyes, or blood vessels are. There is some underlying cause for your skin or stomach or whatever being "so tough".

If that reason is "because your tissue is extremely thick and resilient", then that's fine. It is entirely possible that your skin is thick enough and resilient enough that it can't be pierced by a sword or spear, even if the person swinging it is really, really strong. It is also entirely possible that you are so thick-skinned and resilient that a cannonball to the chest will just knock you over, but do no real damage.

However, as impressive as that all is, I would be able to guarantee you that your skin is not "solid" enough to stop a round from a tank-mounted railgun, or a depleted uranium KE penetrating round, unless you are a planet (or similar body). Having "really thick, tough skin" is irrelevant, because "thick skin" alone is not a property that will allow you to survive a railgun round; it is completely outside the realm of possibility.

Now, this doesn't rule out the possibility that you can survive a shot from a railgun; if I shoot you with one, and it bounces off your skin like drops of water off a duck's back, then obviously a railgun round is not sufficient to harm you. However, it is not because of the thickness of your skin, it is because of some other factor. Maybe you can't be harmed by non-magical weapons; a railgun round is non-magical, therefore it is incapable of harming you.

In this case, when you tell everyone that "I have really tough skin!," you are actually referring to the property of your body that prevents you from being harmed by a non-magical weapon, and not the "toughness" of your skin in terms of thickness and resilience.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:11 pm

You could also utilize energy-based weaponry.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:03 pm

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You could also utilize energy-based weaponry.

It would work depending on the predator you face some can be killed easily or some can resistt.
The only thing I see each time a thread like that it's the quest of the universal weapon which can blow all the predators easily. But the problem is the great variety of predator even in their own specie, in clear you can not face a predator alone just because you have the greatest technology, magic,ability or power . One of the best thing you need is to find some good ally, in clear the technology guy need the knowledge of the neko who knows the jungle, the mage or the psyker can be very powerfull but they can not the physical damage as a warrior can do etc... and you need a healer too. I will conclude to survive in Felarya is just to find the good people with who you can share strong bond.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:13 pm

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MegaDan5 wrote:
You could also utilize energy-based weaponry.

It would work depending on the predator you face some can be killed easily or some can resistt.
The only thing I see each time a thread like that it's the quest of the universal weapon which can blow all the predators easily. But the problem is the great variety of predator even in their own specie, in clear you can not face a predator alone just because you have the greatest technology, magic,ability or power . One of the best thing you need is to find some good ally, in clear the technology guy need the knowledge of the neko who knows the jungle, the mage or the psyker can be very powerfull but they can not the physical damage as a warrior can do etc... and you need a healer too. I will conclude to survive in Felarya is just to find the good people with who you can share strong bond.

Forming a squad that balances each other out is the key to survival.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:43 pm

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Forming a squad that balances each other out is the key to survival.
Light Warriors, Anyone?

Between the swordchucks (which Fighter actually used to defeat the equivalent of a pit naga), Black Mage's hadoken (powerful enough to decimate an entire forest) , the fact that Thief will take all of Felarya's treasure and therefore take treasure hunters out of the picture (which will reduce the amount of available prey and they will starve) and Red Mage systematically proving that creatures so large can't exist (therefore blinking them out of existence) I think that pretty much anything in Felarya is screwed.

Aside from 8-bit Theater shenanigans, the simplest way of killing a giant predator is to wriggle into its airway, causing asphyxiation.

Or throwing a Dethphone into its mouth and hoping it has the same effect it did on Muskakrakish.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:47 pm

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MegaDan5 wrote:
Forming a squad that balances each other out is the key to survival.
Light Warriors, Anyone?

Great preds beware. Maybe it's the swordchucks, maybe it's the hadoken. Or maybe it's the fact that Thief will take all of Felarya's treasure and therefore take treasure hunters out of the picture, which will reduce the amount of available prey and they will starve. Or maybe Red Mage will systematically prove that creatures so large can't exist, therefore blinking them out of existence.

I was thinking about that as I wrote the squad bit.

Use a Giga Slave, then let it go out of control.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:48 pm

Of course you need more than one person, everything needs more than one to survive safely. There's a reason Predators keep contact with each other beyond trading human hunting spots. Predator sleeps... and a Spine Beetle swarm starts to feed. Neko sleeps alone, Predator hears the snoring.

8-Bit theatre characters would wreck Felarya. BM was the cause of the Dinosaurs death, I'm pretty sure Thief has stolen a concept before, Fighter has waded his way through hordes of Dragons, and RM can violate casuality at will it seems.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:09 pm

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8-Bit theatre characters would wreck Felarya. BM was the cause of the Dinosaurs death, I'm pretty sure Thief has stolen a concept before, Fighter has waded his way through hordes of Dragons, and RM can violate casuality at will it seems.

Well, we would definitely find out whether or not Felarya itself has a spirit. Because if it is the case, Felarya would do whatever it takes to get them to go somewhere- anywhere else.

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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:26 pm

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If I mention any solutions involving mechs, there might be some arguing, so I'll save it for another day.

Well, MEGAS would wipe the floor with most preds...

Then again, MEGAS could probably take on the guardians. XP
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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:16 pm

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I'm not too familiar with Claymore, but what I've seen doesn't really impress me much for the average person. Pretty powerful for an anime realm that isn't meant to be super happy, but not what I'd think could last on Felarya.
Well, most of the Awakened are above 20 ft tall, and at least a few had a tendency to eat humans whole. The first giant-type Awakened in the anime is almost halfway through. And the Creatures of the Abyss are all pretty much in a class of their own, in the same way as the Guardians.







SPOILER!



In the current issue of the manga, they reveal that the entire land that the anime takes place on is just a large island, with the mainland containing various kinds of giant predators. There's only sketchy images of the mainland, but from what I can tell, it's Felarya.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:29 pm

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Of course you need more than one person, everything needs more than one to survive safely. There's a reason Predators keep contact with each other beyond trading human hunting spots. Predator sleeps... and a Spine Beetle swarm starts to feed. Neko sleeps alone, Predator hears the snoring.

8-Bit theatre characters would wreck Felarya. BM was the cause of the Dinosaurs death, I'm pretty sure Thief has stolen a concept before, Fighter has waded his way through hordes of Dragons, and RM can violate casuality at will it seems.

We should form the Felaryan version of the Light Warriors.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:34 pm

I'm a helper!

(If you get this, you should know that Fighter's position is taken)
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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:35 pm

I guess I'm Thief.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:26 pm

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I don't think biological warfare would work. Wiki sais "The ground of Felarya cures all known diseases by simple contact." Instead use chemical warfare, or better yet, a portable nuclear warhead, or give them the gift of tiberium and let it judge their fates. Evil laugh
What about Kane and the Brotherhood of NOD? He would lay down the smackage. He has a knack for reverse engineering things and could probably incorporate magic into his arsenal. He'd learn secrets about Felarya fairly quick, plus he's EXTREMELY expansionistic, which would put him at risk for you-know-what. He'd subvert the Miratans by offering food to their starving people. Before long the Miratans will have a Brotherhood of NOD outbreak in their own ranks by the time they even KNOW about Kane. "All your base are belong to Kane!" And what he didn't conquer, he would foul up with Tiberium.

I shit you not, Kane would upgrade the Delurans' weapons and absolutely hammer the Nagas down. He would want the Delurans to join his cause and he would find out in a hurry how to manipulate them, and the Delurans are just BEGGING to be manipulated. On Felarya it's all about bodies that he can put into his war machines.

Kane's worst problem is the Naxylan Dridders. He's gonna drink lots of Hate-rade when they come calling. Then he's going to be their worst problem. EVER.

Meanwhile, GDI would follow Kane, butt heads with the Miratans, and get totally friggin crushed.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:08 pm

The Lance of Longanus. Or however it's spelt. It's in EVANGELION, can't miss it.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:18 pm

A Death Note; 'nuff said.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:38 pm

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A Death Note; 'nuff said.

Incorrect. A Death Note seems like a good idea at first, but you could scribble down the names of every predator on Felarya, and it will not do a darned thing. Don't you remember the very first rule of the Death Note?

A human whose name is written in this note shall die.

On Felarya, the only things a Death Note would be good for is helping you kill other humans, committing suicide by writing your own name in it to avoid death by being eaten and digested, and keeping you from going to Hell and being eaten by Menyssan in the afterlife.

Now I'm picturing that Indiana Jones scene. "What happened to him?" "He chose... poorly." Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:15 pm

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Don't you remember the very first rule of the Death Note?

A human whose name is written in this note shall die.

On Felarya, the only things a Death Note would be good for is helping you kill other humans, committing suicide by writing your own name in it to avoid death by being eaten and digested, and keeping you from going to Hell and being eaten by Menyssan in the afterlife.

So that's why that Death Note I switched with Katrika's diary didn't do anything...

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PostSubject: Re: What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...   Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:17 pm

I think the term "human" as used in the Death Note would apply to any being classified as a humanoid. Almost all of the creatures in Felarya can be classified as humanoids. Even being only part human could classify you as a humanoid.
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