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PostSubject: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:40 pm

The Felarya Wiki site is down! Does anyone know if it is just maintenance or is it a permanent thing? When I go to search it, I get a error from Verizon.
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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:15 pm

Well, it was woking yesterday, so I just assume it's a temporal error.
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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:05 pm

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Well, it was woking yesterday, so I just assume it's a temporal error.

Temporal Error? Damn, who used Agraptor sand again?

(Seriously though, what does that mean?)
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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:43 am

We're working on it, it happens some times ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:36 pm

Ok an update on this : Unfortunately this is a lot more serious than I first though ...
My friend who is owning the server is going through a lot of personal problems at the moment and he can no longer get the server running... I'm talking with him to see what we can do,if I could handle the costs of the server for example...  but it doesn't looks very good for now at least  : / ...  
What I can do is tomorrow setting up a temporary wiki on Wikia ( which is sadly a lot more restrictive regarding adult content so it probably would be without images ), so the database could at least be consulted in the meantime.
Sorry everyone and thank you for your patience !
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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:40 pm

Wikia? Blast! That place's slow and ad-ridden!

Can't we make a Flash version on dA or something?

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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:10 pm

Karbo wrote:
Ok an update on this : Unfortunately this is a lot more serious than I first though ...
My friend who is owning the server is going through a lot of personal problems at the moment and he can no longer get the server running... I'm talking with him to see what we can do,if I could handle the costs of the server for example...  but it doesn't looks very good for now at least  : / ...  
What I can do is tomorrow setting up a temporary wiki on Wikia ( which is sadly a lot more restrictive regarding adult content so it probably would be without images ), so the database could at least be consulted in the meantime.
Sorry everyone and thank you for your patience !

Oh crap! Would it help if once it's up, I copy and store every existing page onto my hard drive so they are stored in the event the Wiki bites the big one? I have tomorrow off and a very light workload and would hate to see Felarya get deleted! Especially after all the hard work!
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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:04 am

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Wikia? Blast! That place's slow and ad-ridden!

Can't we make a Flash version on dA or something?

That's the one thing I hate about it. Even on a powerful computer it'd be slow without ABP turned on.
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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:25 am

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Wikia? Blast! That place's slow and ad-ridden!

Can't we make a Flash version on dA or something?

I don't think it's really manageable with all the links and coding everywhere ^^; for it to work a wiki format is required I think  

dragon808tr : Don't worry I have copies of it saved at least on different locations. I will never allow the database to get lost ^^

As for Wikia, yes it's slow, with adds and also strict restrictions on adult content and generally it's less handy than Wikimedia but I think having a secondary emergency wiki is a good idea anyway for when the primary one is down Smile The main wiki will remain on Wikimedia though.
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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:40 pm

Karbo wrote:
 I don't think it's really manageable with all the links and coding everywhere ^^; for it to work a wiki format is required I think

It's true. This is the same reason making a flash map of the Felarya world map worked for a bit....but then died when the person who made it left and nobody could figure out the codding.

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 Don't worry I have copies of it saved at least on different locations. I will never allow the database to get lost ^^  

When you said that it not only reassured me but gave me a flash back to when Kakashi was facing Zabuza and he said "I will never let my comrades die!" Inspiring.

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As for Wikia, yes it's slow, with adds and also strict restrictions on adult content and generally it's less handy than Wikimedia but I think having a secondary emergency wiki is a good idea anyway for when the primary one is down Smile The main wiki will remain on Wikimedia though.

Everything has ads. It used to just b a few but they are slowly trying to get to the point of that joke in Futurama where they literally beamed in ads into our dreams! XD But yeah back up of anything is good, that wiki? Is mandatory I think. Unlike a web comic collection there's no fan out there with every piece of info on the wiki.
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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:13 pm

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Karbo wrote:
 Don't worry I have copies of it saved at least on different locations. I will never allow the database to get lost ^^  

When you said that it not only reassured me but gave me a flash back to when Kakashi was facing Zabuza and he said "I will never let my comrades die!" Inspiring.

Karbo Cos Playing Kakashi wrote:
As for Wikia, yes it's slow, with adds and also strict restrictions on adult content and generally it's less handy than Wikimedia but I think having a secondary emergency wiki is a good idea anyway for when the primary one is down Smile The main wiki will remain on Wikimedia though.

Everything has ads. It used to just b a few but they are slowly trying to get to the point of that joke in Futurama where they literally beamed in ads into our dreams! XD But yeah back up of anything is good, that wiki? Is mandatory I think. Unlike a web comic collection there's no fan out there with every piece of info on the wiki.


I think you are underestimationg my 6TB hardware abilities! Even if Karbo has backups, I will still maintain my own once the Wiki comes back on. (Although now School work is actually picking up and Doom 2 is seducing me!) I'm just glad that it will be back soon, since I know many people who contributed left in a big fight before I arrived here.
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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:43 pm

I'm so paranoid I'd put it on a CD for archiving, even.
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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:44 am

Ok another update:

The main wiki should be back online soon with no data loss ^^ However I spent two entire days setting the secondary wiki up and found wikia to be actually quite interesting.
There are definitely some pros and cons to both Wikia and Wikimedia.
Wikia's biggest downside is its restrictive policy on content ( nudity is basically not allowed at all ). Needless to say that's a BIG one... On the other hand it's easier to use than Wikimedia and the editing tools feel a lot handier ( template management or using pictures in a page for example )
Wikimedia is very free when it comes to content, it's fast, without add but now its editing tools look a little clunky and perhaps a little limited compared to Wikia.
Anyway we'll soon have two wikis which means at least one will always be up XD  Once it's up and ready to run ( just a few pages left to put ) I also plan to let the wikia one be open to public for editing to see how it goes Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:28 am

That's great news!

I wish Wikia could have a "mature content" flag when going to a Wikia with nudity. I think that would be really nice instead, but whatever they prefer, I suppose.
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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:35 am

Glad to hear it! I was getting really worried! I'll still make it a point to archive it if I get time, although it wont be for awhile most likely. (Especially since I tend to be lazy on non-emergency things)
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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:32 am

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Anyway we'll soon have two wikis which means at least one will always be up XD  Once it's up and ready to run ( just a few pages left to put )  I also plan to let the wikia one be open to public for editing to see how it goes Smile

When you say "public" do you refer to EVERYONE or registered (and trusted) users? Otherwise, people might set up pages and other people will just delete or alter them. I can imagine (and partially could even name) quite a bunch of trolls and haters who would target specific topics or single out particular community members to sabotage their stuff.
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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:44 am

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When you say "public" do you refer to EVERYONE or registered (and trusted) users? Otherwise, people might set up pages and other people will just delete or alter them. I can imagine (and partially could even name) quite a bunch of trolls and haters who would target specific topics or single out particular community members to sabotage their stuff.
That possibility stuck on my mind for a bit, but it seems largely like a non-concern in hindsight. Not only is it expecting old acquaintances to still pay attention to something that at this stage only we pay attention to, but the admin can lock down pages if it gets too bad.

I'm slightly more concerned about what would be proven if that's not the case. If instead of sabotaged, we get the wiki developed by the more enthusiastic fraction, we might find out exactly how little interest anyone has in continuing the kind of development we had previously selected for when they can instead canonize themselves without any stops.

And my main concern is that there was a number of people who wanted nothing more from us than to be able to edit the wiki, and we denied them until they left, for what we considered a good reason. What is to be read into us opening it now? The most favorable reading is that you've come to feel the wiki is not so important, Karbo. Less favorable ones... well, they're still interpretations, but they aren't pretty.

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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:44 pm

Personally, I'm less concerned about potential wiki vandalism and more people taking the opportunity to add their characters and ideas in the wikia themselves. If they're fans, they have nothing to gain by vandalizing existing pages, and if they're haters, then they have no business even looking at the wikia. Unless, of course, they have such a seething hatred for a little-known internet community that they have nothing better to do than to attack a fan wiki, in which case, I think it speaks volume of the kind of individuals they are. But that's just me. Honestly, the best case scenario with wikia is that we'll have people being more diligent with fixing typos and the like.
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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:49 pm

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 Personally, I'm less concerned about potential wiki vandalism and more people taking the opportunity to add their characters and ideas in the wikia themselves.  

He makes a good point here. I think we need to make it so that no just anybody can edit the wiki and state only somebody who meets the following prerequisities can edit the wiki to add something new:

They must be a member of this forum, as it's the factory floor for everything that goes in the wiki anyway, and have above one rank on here. This will assure that trolls can't just join up and post whatever they like and it will encourage younger members to be more active! It's a win-win. We should also make it so people can't just delete whole pages or modify pictures too much. Admit permission should be needed.
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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:06 pm

The Wiki is back!

http://www.felarya.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

It all seems normal, as it should since its on the old site. But now anyone wishing to do so may backup anything they want. I still haven't heard from Karbo about how it got fixed though. I'm sure he will reply soon.

And yes, I think there should be some limits on when the Wiki can be edited. I'd say not until someone has made 25-50 non spam posts, to get a feel for the wiki and Felarya. I remember back when I started, I memorized most of the Wiki before even making an account here! (Which in hindsight was overkill, but I dont mind. I was actually going to look deeper and look over the Wiki the day it got shut down.)
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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:07 am

There is a misunderstanding here ^^; I wrote open for editing. creating new pages just like that definitely would be disabled otherwise it would become completely unmanageable.

Stabs : the reasons behind that idea is that Wikia's policy is for their wikis to be open ( they states clearly that they are against entirely locked wikis ) and many wikias wikis seems to functions quite well on that principle of open-ness. So I thought why no try that since it's meant as a secondary wiki, to see how it goes. Nothing more.
The main wiki would in any case remain the same and, yes, I consider the wiki to be very important. Otherwise I wouldn't have spent two entire days in total emergency mode, in the middle of a project, setting up the secondary one...

EDIT: ok I just found out another cons of Wikia.  Site protection is apparently very lax. For a wiki to even get access to features such as preventing new page to be created, the wiki has to have suffered attacks already ( http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Protect_site ). Not sure I want to go with that any more.
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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:32 am

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EDIT: ok I just found out another cons of Wikia.  Site protection is apparently very lax. For a wiki to even get access to features such as preventing new page to be created, the wiki has to have suffered attacks already ( http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Protect_site ). Not sure I want to go with that any more.

Yikes! No concern about protection at all? o.o
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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:48 pm

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That possibility stuck on my mind for a bit, but it seems largely like a non-concern in hindsight. Not only is it expecting old acquaintances to still pay attention to something that at this stage only we pay attention to, but the admin can lock down pages if it gets too bad.
You seem to have already forgotten what happened last year with one whose name shall not be mentioned. And thats just one example. Calling situations like these a non-issue sounds very blue-eyed and naive to me.

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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:29 am

I forget nothing; I simply believe that the folk that would actually go vandalize a wiki are no longer interested in us. They've probably moved on to bigger and better things, I'd surmise.

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PostSubject: Re: Felarya Wiki Down! (ED : UP again )   Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:24 pm

exactly: you believe. But you dont know for sure. assuming "it wont be so bad" is no justification for lacking the means to prevent things ending up being exactly that bad in the end and simply stating "it wont happen".
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