Problems with Felarya

gwadahunter2222 wrote:

If your theory was true, in Felarya the harpies will be a minor race due to the fact they are 100% females but it exist differents subspecies with different size and shape. If you compare them to the other races in the wiki they have the biggest variety of subspecie.

Harpies are a special case; "harpy males" vastly outnumber harpy females, because the males of any species can impregnate a harpy female, IE: every single male on Felarya is a potential "harpy male".

Raveolution wrote:

I say this because it's a weakness that observant humans would be highly driven to exploit.

Maybe that is a (possibly partial) explanation as to why there are so few males; they get specifically targeted by observant humans. Thankfully for the predator species though, Felarya is just too dangerous for the humans to be able to kill all of the males.

Oldman40k2003 wrote:

Harpies are a special case; "harpy males" vastly outnumber harpy females, because the males of any species can impregnate a harpy female, IE: every single male on Felarya is a potential "harpy male".

I don't think it's so special but depending to what part the genitalia belongs the situation can vary, most of the cases it seems they are loacated in human part it explain maybe why harpies can find potential mate in the other races. Slug girls are hermaphrodite due to the fact their genitalias are in their slug parts, so we can assume a predator with the genitalia located in their animal parts can only mates with their own species but the lucicamp a subspecie of slug gilrs can mate with her prey. the system can vary to a race or a subspecie to another. Somes Dryades may use self-fertlization, spore or lure a passing nearby potential mates. It seems fairies can mates with humans, elves, nekos, tinies or giants and even elementals without problem.

So the barrier of the specie seems very thin in Felarya and allow some cases of indiividual born in a particular race and have a parents from a different race or specie.

Oldman40k2003 wrote:

Maybe that is a (possibly partial) explanation as to why there are so few males; they get specifically targeted by observant humans. Thankfully for the predator species though, Felarya is just too dangerous for the humans to be able to kill all of the males.

Theoretical things aside, practically speaking it's too dangerous but more importantly, too large. Too many hidey holes.

My question is, what human would be crazy enough to mate with a Felaryan fairy? Yeah, there's one mage who does it but... damn. That and humans water down the fairy gene pool...

Raveolution wrote:

My question is, what human would be crazy enough to mate with a Felaryan fairy? Yeah, there's one mage who does it but... damn. That and humans water down the fairy gene pool...

I don't think the case of Mezzus is unique.

When we look at the different sexual tendencies, fetish and different fantasy, fictions it won't be a problem to human to cross the barrier of species. If you complain the fact the fairies hates human, there is human who willingly have sexual relations with demons knowing they will eat their souls in return.

The genetic has a lot of black boxes even in many centuries of studies you won't elucidate all of them is not an obligation a human mate with a fairy and give birth to a new hybrid creature, it can give a normal fairy or a human with a strong affinities with magic etc... it is not necessary to be constant.

gwadahunter2222 wrote:

So the barrier of the specie seems very thin in Felarya and allow some cases of indiividual born in a particular race and have a parents from a different race or specie.

That does simplify things somewhat. If the barrier between species is fairly thin, then all females and males of all the species that can interbreed can be considered members of the same species for mating purposes, and so only an imbalance in the male-to-female ratio of this "super species" needs to be explained.
IE: If there is a species of almost all females, and a species of almost all males, and those two species have about the same number of members and can (and do) interbreed with each other, then there is no real need for an explanation.


I am sure others have brought this up before, but you would expect a male-to-female imbalance in species that form "prides" or "colonies". For example, if fairies form "prides" (lucky Avlar!) then it wouldn't be at all odd to find a large group of females with only a single male. There are even more extreme examples; almost all ants are female, only a few males are ever born, and they live very short lives, dying after mating.

gwadahunter2222 wrote:

Raveolution wrote:

My question is, what human would be crazy enough to mate with a Felaryan fairy? Yeah, there's one mage who does it but... damn. That and humans water down the fairy gene pool...

I don't think the case of Mezzus is unique.

When we look at the different sexual tendencies, fetish and different fantasy, fictions it won't be a problem to human to cross the barrier of species. If you complain the fact the fairies hates human, there is human who willingly have sexual relations with demons knowing they will eat their souls in return.

Well yeah there is the factor of total stupidity or even insanity.

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The genetic has a lot of black boxes even in many centuries of studies you won't elucidate all of them is not an obligation a human mate with a fairy and give birth to a new hybrid creature, it can give a normal fairy or a human with a strong affinities with magic etc... it is not necessary to be constant.

You know, this sounds like a job for... Karbo...

For the sake of the Felarya story continuum I actually hope you're right. Weaknesses like this are not a good thing. As I said before I prefer a RIFTS style universe where no one keeps the "top of the food chain" status for too long.

Raveolution wrote:

Well yeah there is the factor of total stupidity or even insanity.

I won't say that because the sex had not only a way of reproduction for humans. the nature of an individual is complex and vary depending to the individuals,the personnal experiences and the social group. Even someone with a stable situation someone can lose his sanity.

Raveolution wrote:

You know, this sounds like a job for... Karbo...

For the sake of the Felarya story continuum I actually hope you're right. Weaknesses like this are not a good thing. As I said before I prefer a RIFTS style universe where no one keeps the "top of the food chain" status for too long.

What you say it absurds.

In what in a weakness there are few males knowing they are more sexually active to the female, a male is not limited to have one female and knowing the cross specie it's possible in some cases you can have a male with harems of different females of different species.

And about Felarya there is no real dominant race, it's true there is a food chain but the food chain exists just to explain the relation of the creatures with their environment according to their diet. To be on the top or the bottom has an influence on the living conditions but it's not determining factors. To be a predator don't make necessary the creature a dominant specie.

If you speak about factors of total stupidity or insanity going to kill the male of a particular specie to makes its race goes to extinct is not a best example because it willingly destroys an ecosystem for selfish reason. Thinking it will make the situations better it's the opposite because you don't know the consequence in long term of this action. For example in North of America people killed wolves and makes the race near to go extinct but when they do that they allow an over proliferation of the coyotte which more nuisible than the wolves was supposed to be. To resolve this problem they had to reintroduce wolves because the concurrence between this two races regulate their respective population.

What bothering you in reality it's not a problem of bottom or top of food chain it's the fact humans are not the dominant specie in Felarya. That's all.

gwadahunter2222 wrote:

Raveolution wrote:

Well yeah there is the factor of total stupidity or even insanity.

I won't say that because the sex had not only a way of reproduction for humans. the nature of an individual is complex and vary depending to the individuals,the personnal experiences and the social group. Even someone with a stable situation someone can lose his sanity.

Mating with something that will eat you is sane for preying mantises but not for humans. Anyone who puts their survival (or that of their loved ones or species) as secondary to getting laid, is not in their right mind, and nowhere does one pay more dearly for such losses of sanity than in Felarya. As Karbo said, getting eaten = fail.

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Raveolution wrote:

You know, this sounds like a job for... Karbo...

For the sake of the Felarya story continuum I actually hope you're right. Weaknesses like this are not a good thing. As I said before I prefer a RIFTS style universe where no one keeps the "top of the food chain" status for too long.

What you say it absurds.

Only for you, bub. I think you are too hung up with humans being punished for trying to survive.

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In what in a weakness there are few males knowing they are more sexually active to the female, a male is not limited to have one female and knowing the cross specie it's possible in some cases you can have a male with harems of different females of different species.

But one single male as the focal point weakens the gene pool. The operative term is lack of genetic diversity. Plus even a male can get exhausted trying to mate with everyone. And if that one male is attacked by a Tonorion, well, ouch.

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And about Felarya there is no real dominant race, it's true there is a food chain but the food chain exists just to explain the relation of the creatures with their environment according to their diet. To be on the top or the bottom has an influence on the living conditions but it's not determining factors. To be a predator don't make necessary the creature a dominant specie.

But it does make one species dominant over another. The number one cause of death for humans is being eaten by a fairy. Humans and nekos can eat tinies by the truckload. Tell me, no one is over someone else there? Giant preds apparently have nothing to fear from humans. Humans have a lot to fear not only from fairies, but every other giant Pred. You say there's no dominance there?

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If you speak about factors of total stupidity or insanity going to kill the male of a particular specie to makes its race goes to extinct is not a best example because it willingly destroys an ecosystem for selfish reason.

Like I said, it's a weakness. It's not a virtue, not in the Felarya universe. But the humans aren't actually TRYING to destroy an eco-system. They're primarily trying to survive. To protect their offspring and loved ones.

I can't believe I'm explaining these easily demonstrated facts. It is every species' right to be selfish to the extent of protecting their people from being eaten. All intelligent species will act in their best capacity in self-defense.

You talk about defending ecosystems but few have any problem with whole human, neko or tinies towns being devoured, children and all. Humans, tinies and nekos are expected to deal with this, brush themselves off, and move on. You want to talk about stupidity or insanity? Felarya implies countless incidents of people getting eaten and no one even coming to avenge them. That is not in any way smart, sane or even realistic.

If the Isolon Eye gets blown up, friggin ay. Who's going to care if the humans are all devoured? This sure as heck is quite one-sided.

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Thinking it will make the situations better it's the opposite because you don't know the consequence in long term of this action.

Oh, sure I do. It could allow for the rise of other nastier things. Defending the ecosystem doesn't mean you have to be shoveling nekos, tinies and humans down throats like is done here.

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For example in North of America people killed wolves and makes the race near to go extinct but when they do that they allow an over proliferation of the coyotte which more nuisible than the wolves was supposed to be. To resolve this problem they had to reintroduce wolves because the concurrence between this two races regulate their respective population.

And my father in law just puts out Llamas which manage to scare off wolves and especially coyotes.

But you're missing one big, giant important point here. Humans do not, and never ever will, like creatures that eat humans as readily as Preds do. To say that humans wouldn't do everything in their power to bring any maneating creature under control is to be totally foolish about human nature. Felaryan preds are so tenacious and relentless that cutting down their ability to reproduce is an option that will get explored. See: the Krogans in Mass Effect. To compare Felaran Preds to wolves is totally wrong. Wolves know when to back off. An encounter with a Felaryan Pred is automatic Mortal Kombat, 99% of the time.

I don't know where you come from but where I come from nobody's an environmentalist when you know something as deadly as Felaryan Pred #1 will come to devour your family in 2 days and you have nowhere to run but toward Pred #2 to the east, Pred #3 to the west, and Pred #4 down south. I don't care if you're a human, neko or tiny, if you have the firepower to get them before they get you, guess what, you're gonna. Unless you just like seeing your family get eaten. You're also going to want to deter others from messing with your family. Now tell me which option is sane and intelligent?

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What bothering you in reality it's not a problem of bottom or top of food chain it's the fact humans are not the dominant specie in Felarya. That's all.

Dude, quit the psychoanalyst hobby and stick to your day job. Really. You have no idea what bothers me.

The problem is humans are everyone's food. The fairies' food. The nagas' food.Angel food friggin cake. Succubi devils food. Dryads, harpies, dridders, slug girls, every pred great or small has almost freakishly total dominance over humans, non-canon stories aside. I scratch my head about the nekos, too. You have whole towns of Nekos being devoured by one naga but don't they dare attack a whole major camp of nagas. You have human and neko kids getting eaten in Felara - everyone (except a nutcase like me) loves to see a teenage human get eaten but whoa, but don't you even dare visit such atrocities back on the preds' kids. (Unless you're a slug girl spotting a naga.) Humans and nekos = every preds' bitch. But the ones who have it worst are the tinies. They're food for all of the above. If I were the tinies I would be desperately seeking an escape from that environment.

If Felarya were primarily about humans wiping out fairy magic and gobbling them down, guess what? I'd want to see humans fall.

The thing is, Felarya is logically hostile to anyone keeping the dominant spot for long. Does this offend you, the idea that humans could join forces and dominate fairies, go to war with themselves and get nommed by Nagas taking advantage of their fighting, nekos could conquer the weakened victor, then dridders could swoop in on them, and then some super power armored Tom Thumbs could scare everyone from eating them, and then the fairies rise back to power and make short work of them, so on and so forth? Really? Is that human centric bigotry to you? Does that mean Felarya's balance gets upset?

Raveolution wrote:

Only for you, bub. I think you are too hung up with humans being punished for trying to survive.

Many people who write stories for Felarya seem to have that issue...

vegeta002 wrote:

Raveolution wrote:

Only for you, bub. I think you are too hung up with humans being punished for trying to survive.

Many people who write stories for Felarya seem to have that issue...

Yup. If Preds routinely fail and die trying to eat humans, nekos or tinies, that ain't fapworthy.

Here's an example of a typical day in the Felarya I would imagine as being more consistent: A neko carries a sack of tinies to eat on the run while she hunts down a naga who ate her brother. When the naga goes down the tinies get loose and lure oh, say, a fairy in her direction. The fairy eats the neko. Then gets her wings damaged by a human, who eats her. The human chases the tinies who make a run for it and some tinies get eaten by a slug girl. The human salts the slug girl and doesn't see the giant naga coming up from behind. The human and the slug girl get eaten. A Drider shows up and gets the last nom of the day.

The Guardians laugh at this round and round gulpfest. Lots of fap for everyone, neh?

[quote=\"Raveaolution\"]But one single male as the focal point weakens the gene pool. The operative term is lack of genetic diversity. Plus even a male can get exhausted trying to mate with everyone. And if that one male is attacked by a Tonorion, well, ouch.[/quote]

I don\'t think it\'s the first time a male predators get killed in Felarya, and others point males had always a death rate higher than female.

Where it states there are only one and unique male by specie, it\'s true they are not in superiority next to the important number of Females of their races in additions of the specie 100% females as harpies gyspas which are known to eat other predators, and Miaxis. But seriously do you think the situation is one male per one thousand of females

[quote=\"Raveaolution\"]Only for you, bub. I think you are too hung up with humans being punished for trying to survive.[/quote]

I have a better knowledge of humanity than you, and I can guarantee you it\'s not thing like that which will destroy humanity. Even if the third World War happen, or our civilizations is wiped due to an ecological disaster, there will be always humans. Each year there are millions humans who are dying, from hunger, diseases, in war, get killed or other atrocities. It\'s not because there are creatures which prey humans they will disappear like that. If you complain about the acid of the stomach in Middle East many women are burned alive or attacked with acid and their aggressor was human as you and me. And these situations continue until now and show no sign to abandon does our race go to instinct as we are millions to die each years? No.

[quote=\"Raveaolution\"]Like I said, it\'s a weakness. It\'s not a virtue, not in the Felarya universe. But the humans aren\'t actually TRYING to destroy an eco-system. They\'re primarily trying to survive. To protect their offspring and loved ones.

I can\'t believe I\'m explaining these easily demonstrated facts. It is every species\' right to be selfish to the extent of protecting their people from being eaten. All intelligent species will act in their best capacity in self-defense.

You talk about defending ecosystems but few have any problem with whole human, neko or tinies towns being devoured, children and all. Humans, tinies and nekos are expected to deal with this, brush themselves off, and move on. You want to talk about stupidity or insanity? Felarya implies countless incidents of people getting eaten and no one even coming to avenge them. That is not in any way smart, sane or even realistic.

If the Isolon Eye gets blown up, friggin ay. Who\'s going to care if the humans are all devoured? This sure as heck is quite one-sided.[/quote]

There are the scoching claws, the vithe tribe, the Citas, the Rosic Nekos, Akaptor nomads (humans), phantom elves(they live in the middle of Fairies Kingdoms), they don\'t have all the stuff of Negav, the Miratans and the delurans and they manage to survive or live normally in the harsh world of Felarya. If you worry so much about tinies read Quanob Tribe, Shahewi Tribe and the town of Pelnepi.

Survival it\'s not a question of stuff but organizations and understandings of the nature of your surroundings. I know they are not very used in stories because people most of people thinks you have to be John Rambo or have the most advanced technology to survive in Felarya.

[quote=\"Raveaolution\"]Dude, quit the psychoanalyst hobby and stick to your day job. Really. You have no idea what bothers me.[/quote]

It\'s just the feeling I have each time I read each of your interventions on this forum, your speech didn\'t change while many people developed at the same time humans, nekos, and lately tinies who manages to survives without necessary befriend predators all time or posses an advanced technology. And I never pretend it was my hobby or my job

[quote=\"Raveaolution\"]And my father in law just puts out Llamas which manage to scare off wolves and especially coyotes.

But you\'re missing one big, giant important point here. Humans do not, and never ever will, like creatures that eat humans as readily as Preds do. To say that humans wouldn\'t do everything in their power to bring any maneating creature under control is to be totally foolish about human nature. Felaryan preds are so tenacious and relentless that cutting down their ability to reproduce is an option that will get explored. See: the Krogans in Mass Effect. To compare Felaran Preds to wolves is totally wrong. Wolves know when to back off. An encounter with a Felaryan Pred is automatic Mortal Kombat, 99% of the time.

I don\'t know where you come from but where I come from nobody\'s an environmentalist when you know something as deadly as Felaryan Pred #1 will come to devour your family in 2 days and you have nowhere to run but toward Pred #2 to the east, Pred #3 to the west, and Pred #4 down south. I don\'t care if you\'re a human, neko or tiny, if you have the firepower to get them before they get you, guess what, you\'re gonna. Unless you just like seeing your family get eaten. You\'re also going to want to deter others from messing with your family. Now tell me which option is sane and intelligent?[/quote]

Your father in laws use this methods because he has a better knowledge of the situation. Before people starts to understand what is the true nature of wolves and starts to use this method many peoples thinks wolves were evil and killed them by fears until some people start to study them and show it\'s not like that. And it was true to many animals which was suspected as a man-eating monster. Before to fall in irrational fears you should step back and analyse objectively the situation and stop to play on the emotional strings.

I don\'t compare felarya predators to wolves as you compared them to Lions when you arrived on the forums. You did this two times.

About the Kroogans, they are a war like race who knows only to do wars, and kill mindlessly, the reasons why they use this solutions against them it\'s because they reproduce quickly which make when a Kroogans die there are two to replace it. The situation is not the same in Felarya, the predators are more intelligent than that.

[quote=\"Raveaolution\"]The problem is humans are everyone\'s food. The fairies\' food. The nagas\' food.Angel food friggin cake. Succubi devils food. Dryads, harpies, dridders, slug girls, every pred great or small has almost freakishly total dominance over humans, non-canon stories aside. I scratch my head about the nekos, too. You have whole towns of Nekos being devoured by one naga but don\'t they dare attack a whole major camp of nagas. You have human and neko kids getting eaten in Felara - everyone (except a nutcase like me) loves to see a teenage human get eaten but whoa, but don\'t you even dare visit such atrocities back on the preds\' kids. (Unless you\'re a slug girl spotting a naga.) Humans and nekos = every preds\' bitch. But the ones who have it worst are the tinies. They\'re food for all of the above. If I were the tinies I would be desperately seeking an escape from that environment.

If Felarya were primarily about humans wiping out fairy magic and gobbling them down, guess what? I\'d want to see humans fall.


The thing is, Felarya is logically hostile to anyone keeping the dominant spot for long. Does this offend you, the idea that humans could join forces and dominate fairies, go to war with themselves and get nommed by Nagas taking advantage of their fighting, nekos could conquer the weakened victor, then dridders could swoop in on them, and then some super power armored Tom Thumbs could scare everyone from eating them, and then the fairies rise back to power and make short work of them, so on and so forth? Really? Is that human centric bigotry to you? Does that mean Felarya\'s balance gets upset?[/quote]

I don\'t like your speech because you are only spreading irrational fears because you don\'t have a global view of Felarya, you are just reading things without really understand them to say fallacious verities.

I start to ask what kind of stories you read because they are many stories because I read and in the wiki it states many races feed on other creatures than humans, dridders are eating both smaller and bigger prey as naga, Gyspas preyed pantaurs and any creature they estimate as a potential prey, scorpisaï preyed their own specie when they can, succubus feed mostly on humans who end in hell and smaller demons that\'s why Menyssan is chained during her job, purify angels eat creature which have affinities with darkness, as dusk nymph, darkness elementals, demons etc... the defiler angels their opposite eat creatures affiliates to light which make angels are their main prey. Chlaenas can swallow prey at their size, the kraken chalenas help humans because they know they are good bait. Even giant creatures as naga or mermaids fall as prey. Slimoids eats everything they can wrap no matter the size and Slug girls are their main predators. Even nagas eats their own specie too . Even the elementals can be eaten by creature as demons, angels and pit nagas. If you complain about fairies you should be happy about the last Karbo\'s Artwork, there are animals, plants and hybrids predators like the Luccicamp, the gekotas who prey on them. Do you think humans and nekos are the only one which are eaten ? There are no sentient race which are not eaten by another race.

Read the wiki you will see humans, nekos and even tinies are not the only specie eaten in Felarya before you start a such drama by only focusing on a rumour and use the strings of the emotions.

It's kind of depressing how easy it is to die...

all the fun stuff gets you killed...

Off topic, but that line really suits the look of your avatar...

haha, thanks for the laugh, I needed that

...but still, I know I shouldnt really complain... I mean felarya wouldnt be that exciting if there wasnt danger and the fear of dieing hanging over every adventure's head.
still... just the number of ways they can be killed, or the percentage of living things that are AGAINST the humans and nekos makes it seem just a tad bit unfair at times

Same as being a mouse on earth, really.

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up fish.

Anime-Junkie wrote:

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up fish.

actually, i think the picture needs more tigers to be accurate

Reptillian wrote:

Anime-Junkie wrote:

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up fish.

actually, i think the picture needs more tigers to be accurate

Not more, just bigger!

timing2 wrote:

Reptillian wrote:

Anime-Junkie wrote:

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up fish.

actually, i think the picture needs more tigers to be accurate

Not more, just bigger!

Maybe a few giant spiders?

gwadahunter2222 wrote:

I don\'t think it\'s the first time a male predators get killed in Felarya, and others point males had always a death rate higher than female.

It's still highly unbalanced to have them being so rare.

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Where it states there are only one and unique male by specie, it\'s true they are not in superiority next to the important number of Females of their races in additions of the specie 100% females as harpies gyspas which are known to eat other predators, and Miaxis. But seriously do you think the situation is one male per one thousand of females

Show me the counter examples.

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I have a better knowledge of humanity than you,

You have not shown this better knowledge. So spare me the "I'm better than you" talk, okay? You don't intimidate me. I've accurately predicted major stuff in the real world involving people. It ain't prophecy, it's just reading the writing on the wall correctly. I can bet against you on how humans will react to stuff and win.

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and I can guarantee you it\'s not thing like that which will destroy humanity. Even if the third World War happen, or our civilizations is wiped due to an ecological disaster, there will be always humans. Each year there are millions humans who are dying, from hunger, diseases, in war, get killed or other atrocities.

Your point is?

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It\'s not because there are creatures which prey humans they will disappear like that. If you complain about the acid of the stomach in Middle East many women are burned alive or attacked with acid and their aggressor was human as you and me. And these situations continue until now and show no sign to abandon does our race go to instinct as we are millions to die each years? No.

Your point is?

gwadahunter2222 wrote:

Raveaolution wrote:

Like I said, it\'s a weakness. It\'s not a virtue, not in the Felarya universe. But the humans aren\'t actually TRYING to destroy an eco-system. They\'re primarily trying to survive. To protect their offspring and loved ones.

I can\'t believe I\'m explaining these easily demonstrated facts. It is every species\' right to be selfish to the extent of protecting their people from being eaten. All intelligent species will act in their best capacity in self-defense.

You talk about defending ecosystems but few have any problem with whole human, neko or tinies towns being devoured, children and all. Humans, tinies and nekos are expected to deal with this, brush themselves off, and move on. You want to talk about stupidity or insanity? Felarya implies countless incidents of people getting eaten and no one even coming to avenge them. That is not in any way smart, sane or even realistic.

If the Isolon Eye gets blown up, friggin ay. Who\'s going to care if the humans are all devoured? This sure as heck is quite one-sided.

There are the scoching claws, the vithe tribe, the Citas, the Rosic Nekos, Akaptor nomads (humans), phantom elves(they live in the middle of Fairies Kingdoms), they don\'t have all the stuff of Negav, the Miratans and the delurans and they manage to survive or live normally in the harsh world of Felarya. If you worry so much about tinies read Quanob Tribe, Shahewi Tribe and the town of Pelnepi.

That was not my question. You're not addressing the point. What I said was
1) all intelligent species will act in their best capacity in self-defense
2) few have any problem with whole human, neko or tinies towns being devoured, children and all
3) Felarya implies countless incidents of people getting eaten and no one even coming to avenge them. That is not in any way smart, sane or even realistic
4) If the Isolon Eye gets blown up, friggin ay. Who\'s going to care if the humans are all devoured?

Nowhere did I say that all those tribes you mentioned, could not survive without technology.

And I sure as hell would never want the Miratans stomping all over Felarya. That's disgusting and totally unbalanced.

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Survival it\'s not a question of stuff but organizations and understandings of the nature of your surroundings. I know they are not very used in stories because people most of people thinks you have to be John Rambo or have the most advanced technology to survive in Felarya.

All true and well, but not at all related to my questions or what I said.

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Raveaolution wrote:

Dude, quit the psychoanalyst hobby and stick to your day job. Really. You have no idea what bothers me.

It\'s just the feeling I have each time I read each of your interventions on this forum, your speech didn\'t change while many people developed at the same time humans, nekos, and lately tinies who manages to survives without necessary befriend predators all time or posses an advanced technology. And I never pretend it was my hobby or my job

Well for your information I also have the same concerns about the Nekos and the Tinies. Whenever there is a confrontation they either run or are someone's food. Non-canon stories aside, they are never the predator against the Big Preds. Losing NEVER brings much of a penalty for a fairy chasing a human, tiny or a neko. (Again, non-canon stories aside.)

This is not about these creatures surviving without technology. It's about the enforced lopsided result rule regarding whenever there's a confrontation.

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Your father in laws use this methods because he has a better knowledge of the situation. Before people starts to understand what is the true nature of wolves and starts to use this method many peoples thinks wolves were evil and killed them by fears until some people start to study them and show it\'s not like that. And it was true to many animals which was suspected as a man-eating monster. Before to fall in irrational fears you should step back and analyse objectively the situation and stop to play on the emotional strings.

But wolves are not nearly as aggressive as Preds. And any wolf that kills a human is in fact hunted down. The same is not true of Great Preds: humans are expected not to avenge their loved ones. You claim to know humans at all and yet you refuse to acknowledge the factor of avenging loved ones?

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Raveaolution wrote:

The problem is humans are everyone\'s food. The fairies\' food. The nagas\' food.Angel food friggin cake. Succubi devils food. Dryads, harpies, dridders, slug girls, every pred great or small has almost freakishly total dominance over humans, non-canon stories aside. I scratch my head about the nekos, too. You have whole towns of Nekos being devoured by one naga but don\'t they dare attack a whole major camp of nagas. You have human and neko kids getting eaten in Felara - everyone (except a nutcase like me) loves to see a teenage human get eaten but whoa, but don\'t you even dare visit such atrocities back on the preds\' kids. (Unless you\'re a slug girl spotting a naga.) Humans and nekos = every preds\' bitch. But the ones who have it worst are the tinies. They\'re food for all of the above. If I were the tinies I would be desperately seeking an escape from that environment.

If Felarya were primarily about humans wiping out fairy magic and gobbling them down, guess what? I\'d want to see humans fall.


The thing is, Felarya is logically hostile to anyone keeping the dominant spot for long. Does this offend you, the idea that humans could join forces and dominate fairies, go to war with themselves and get nommed by Nagas taking advantage of their fighting, nekos could conquer the weakened victor, then dridders could swoop in on them, and then some super power armored Tom Thumbs could scare everyone from eating them, and then the fairies rise back to power and make short work of them, so on and so forth? Really? Is that human centric bigotry to you? Does that mean Felarya\'s balance gets upset?

I don\'t like your speech because you are only spreading irrational fears because you don\'t have a global view of Felarya, you are just reading things without really understand them to say fallacious verities.

1) You don't have to like my speech. 2) I speak fully verified facts, not irrational fears.

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I start to ask what kind of stories you read because they are many stories because I read and in the wiki it states many races feed on other creatures than humans,

Here's your other problem here. You have poor reading comprehension. I never said that many races do not feed on other creatures. I'll repeat: I never said that many races do not feed on other creatures. I never even implied that. I said that when humans, nekos and tinies confront these creatures and push comes to shove, they automatically lose and get eaten. Except in some of the non-canon stories. Many races feed on other creatures than humans, nekos or tinies, but humans, nekos and tinies always get eaten; outside the non-canon stories, they don't often (if at all) kick the big preds' asses or successfully strike back as any sentient species would.

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dridders are eating both smaller and bigger prey as naga, Gyspas preyed pantaurs and any creature they estimate as a potential prey, scorpisaï preyed their own specie when they can, succubus feed mostly on humans who end in hell and smaller demons that\'s why Menyssan is chained during her job, purify angels eat creature which have affinities with darkness, as dusk nymph, darkness elementals, demons etc... the defiler angels their opposite eat creatures affiliates to light which make angels are their main prey. Chlaenas can swallow prey at their size, the kraken chalenas help humans because they know they are good bait. Even giant creatures as naga or mermaids fall as prey. Slimoids eats everything they can wrap no matter the size and Slug girls are their main predators. Even nagas eats their own specie too . Even the elementals can be eaten by creature as demons, angels and pit nagas. If you complain about fairies you should be happy about the last Karbo\'s Artwork, there are animals, plants and hybrids predators like the Luccicamp, the gekotas who prey on them. Do you think humans and nekos are the only one which are eaten ? There are no sentient race which are not eaten by another race.

Read the wiki you will see humans, nekos and even tinies are not the only specie eaten in Felarya before you start a such drama by only focusing on a rumour and use the strings of the emotions.

Sigh. I never said humans, nekos and tinies are the only species eaten in Felarya. Can someone show where I said that? I said, humans, nekos and tinies are at the bottom of the food chain when they would obviously not be. These are creatures who can make tools and weapons, they're not like chickens running away from tigers.

You should read what I said to Prince Vegeta02. Humans and nekos are capable of killing majorly top preds on a regular basis, along with being eaten by them on a regular basis. Tinies should be able to bring down humans and nekos as well as being eaten by them. Once again: this has nothing at all to do with humans, nekos and tinies being the only species eaten in Felarya.

Raveaolution wrote:

It's still highly unbalanced to have them being so rare.

The only thing which is unbalanced it's the lack of male hybrid specie portrayed as character.

Raveaolution wrote:

Show me the counter examples.

Races counting both genders: Fairies, dridders, nagas, giants/giantess, scorpisaï, sphinx, elves, angels, demons, elementals, Chilotaurs, Genies, Titans; Mantoids, centaurs, genies.

100% females:harpies, dryades,harpies, gyspas, Miaxis, nemesises, succubi, Razias.

Neutral or hermaphrodites: Slug girls, slimoids

I don't know about Mermaids and Jotuns maybe they have maybe they don't have. I can admit the ratio of male can be inferior to the females what I seriously doubt for angels and demons

Raveolution wrote:

4) If the Isolon Eye gets blown up, friggin ay. Who\'s going to care if the humans are all devoured?

And all the canons around Negav shoot water, and the wall around the town are made with paper. Magiocrats only rely on the Isolon Eye to protect the town, I don't think so. The Vishmintals have other members in other worlds and still possess a great weaponry.

Negav is a town doing multidimensional trades with the business of Ascarlin and the various diamond coming from the mountains, so they have various partner and allies in different worlds.

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But wolves are not nearly as aggressive as Preds. And any wolf that kills a human is in fact hunted down.The same is not true of Great Preds: humans are expected not to avenge their loved ones. You claim to know humans at all and yet you refuse to acknowledge the factor of avenging loved ones?

When people went to hunt down wolves, lions or any ferocious animals they all come back victorious without any or few lost. But in Felarya you act like how many groups were successful

You have naturally the right to avenge your loved ones, but in condition you are able to do it with an obligation of success. If you are able to venture to the jungle alone or in group, kill the predator and come back without dying or lost member in your team. It's ok but if you fail no one will forgive you your failure.

Raveaolution wrote:

Here's your other problem here. You have poor reading comprehension. I never said that many races do not feed on other creatures. I'll repeat: I never said that many races do not feed on other creatures. I never even implied that. I said that when humans, nekos and tinies confront these creatures and push comes to shove, they automatically lose and get eaten. Except in some of the non-canon stories. Many races feed on other creatures than humans, nekos or tinies, but humans, nekos and tinies always get eaten; outside the non-canon stories, they don't often (if at all) kick the big preds' asses or successfully strike back as any sentient species would.

In the volume 2 of the manga Anna has been easily defeated by a group of humans, the same group manage to escape to Crisis Stomach.

And about the kick ass, how many humans, nekos and tinies are really skilled mages, warriors, or belongs to military organizations. Do they all learn magic, fighting skills or have strong weapons at their disposal ? Do they all able to fight creature able to crack a car as a nutshell? About tinies some use poison darts it can be efficiency against a naked neko and a light clothed and unarmed humans. But to catch a group of tinies a human or a neko has just to use a simple fishing net or sleeping gas.

A predator have many problem to disarm a humans or a neko, once they are disarmed they are not a threat.

Raveaolution wrote:

But wolves are not nearly as aggressive as Preds. And any wolf that kills a human is in fact hunted down. The same is not true of Great Preds: humans are expected not to avenge their loved ones. You claim to know humans at all and yet you refuse to acknowledge the factor of avenging loved ones?

I think this should be qualified some. On Earth, where humans completely dominate everything, any animal that attacks a human is hunted down. Well, usually. I know of a case near where I lived last year in which a bear attacked a human but they were never able to find it in order to destroy it, and indeed they said that even if they had caught it they might not have killed it, depending of how aggressive they found it to be. (The full story is that the human was a runner and ran into the bear, scaring it, so it attacked him, but not all that severely. Considering this this "attack" was probably the result of fear rather than actual aggression, the animal control people decided that they would only destroy it if it turned out to be diseased or aggressive.)

Hunting down predators on Felarya because they have attacked humans is a great deal more difficult than on Earth.

Firstly, humans do not control Felarya, so the entire time they are hunting down a pred they are also likely being hunted themselves.

Secondly there are often no survivors from a pred attack, which means that any avengers merely know that "Group X went out last week and haven't returned. Presumed eaten." There are dozens (or hundreds) of possible suspects for even a short trip, so how do the avengers know which one to go after?

Thirdly, wolves and other animals that we hunt here on Earth are stupid... dumb as bricks when compared to us. Virtually all Felaryan predators are as smart as we are, and considering that all people living on Felarya are immortal, they might have decades or centuries of experience hunting and avoiding other predators. In other words, hunting a Felaryan predator is much like hunting down a *smart* escaped human prisoner. The dumb ones get caught quickly, but the smart ones... they just *vanish* and are never found... and that's on a world filled with humans who would help the police track down the prisoner. The other preds are not going to help any avengers hunt down a fellow pred.

Fourthly, it's just not cost efficient to avenger the deaths of your family members/friends on Felarya. In order to even have a chance at success you need to be an expert tracker and escapist, and you need to be pretty smart, but if you were that smart you would have moved your friends off of Felarya already!!! (I *really* don't see why people live on Felarya. From an economics perspective it's only cost-efficient to send very expensive/time-sensitive cargoes from one portal to another via Felarya (and only if that is a significantly shorter/less expensive/less dangerous/the only route), and a few quick research teams to investigate its natural resources.) Anyone who isn't an expert at these skills will likely get eaten by some other predator long before they track down the pred they actually want to kill.

Raveaolution wrote:

You should read what I said to Prince Vegeta02. Humans and nekos are capable of killing majorly top preds on a regular basis, along with being eaten by them on a regular basis. Tinies should be able to bring down humans and nekos as well as being eaten by them. Once again: this has nothing at all to do with humans, nekos and tinies being the only species eaten in Felarya.

You should read some of Timing2's stories. One of his series contains a group of tinies that has banded together and gotten smart; they have one-hit-paralysis posion tipped throwing spears, and know how to use them. It helps that they have a friendly neko and dridder to practice against, but the neither started out friendly and the neko learned first hand just how dangerous the tinies are.

Also Ravana3k has a character, Vale, who is an ex-assassin with a powered suit that has killed at least three preds up until now, by letting herself get swallowed and then stabbing her arm blades into the sides of the pred's throat, letting its own muscles pull her down and slice open its own arteries.



(A somewhat off-topic aside: humans armed with 150mm recoilless rifles that are firing tungsten or uranium penetrators ought to stand a good chance of driving a non-magical pred off. At those speeds and against human like flesh, the penetrators would be pretty much like giant sized handgun bullets. They'd do less internal damage than a real bullet, but they'd still hurt like hell and a hit against a vital organ would quite possibly be deadly. The downsides are that recoilless rifles and their ammo are heavy (three man team for a rifle and half-a-dozen shots, maybe a dozen if you push it), they take a dozen seconds to reload, and they are *very* noisy.)

Oldman40k2003 wrote:

Raveaolution wrote:

But wolves are not nearly as aggressive as Preds. And any wolf that kills a human is in fact hunted down. The same is not true of Great Preds: humans are expected not to avenge their loved ones. You claim to know humans at all and yet you refuse to acknowledge the factor of avenging loved ones?

I think this should be qualified some. On Earth, where humans completely dominate everything, any animal that attacks a human is hunted down. Well, usually. I know of a case near where I lived last year in which a bear attacked a human but they were never able to find it in order to destroy it, and indeed they said that even if they had caught it they might not have killed it, depending of how aggressive they found it to be. (The full story is that the human was a runner and ran into the bear, scaring it, so it attacked him, but not all that severely. Considering this this "attack" was probably the result of fear rather than actual aggression, the animal control people decided that they would only destroy it if it turned out to be diseased or aggressive.)

Hunting down predators on Felarya because they have attacked humans is a great deal more difficult than on Earth.

Just because it's more difficult doesn't mean people just drop their desire to avenge their own. If anything that just makes humans try harder. Since when have humans ever been known to just give up against a predator, human or otherwise? The tougher they are the harder we keep coming at them.

Humans are not known for letting things go like that. When have human beings ever allowed their own to be killed with impunity?

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Firstly, humans do not control Felarya,

And the preds do?

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so the entire time they are hunting down a pred they are also likely being hunted themselves.

Wouldn't any pred who hunts also be hunted themselves?

It would stand to reason that if a fairy is sneaking up to eat a human, another human may have the drop on the fairy.

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Secondly there are often no survivors from a pred attack, which means that any avengers merely know that "Group X went out last week and haven't returned. Presumed eaten." There are dozens (or hundreds) of possible suspects for even a short trip, so how do the avengers know which one to go after?

Humans always try to find out who is responsible for such attacks. Larger and larger parties leave out, better and better armed, to find out and stop those who attack humans repeatedly.

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Thirdly, wolves and other animals that we hunt here on Earth are stupid... dumb as bricks when compared to us. Virtually all Felaryan predators are as smart as we are, and considering that all people living on Felarya are immortal, they might have decades or centuries of experience hunting and avoiding other predators. In other words, hunting a Felaryan predator is much like hunting down a *smart* escaped human prisoner. The dumb ones get caught quickly, but the smart ones... they just *vanish* and are never found... and that's on a world filled with humans who would help the police track down the prisoner. The other preds are not going to help any avengers hunt down a fellow pred.

And that would lead to an arms race.

Humans never give up hunting someone who has killed one of their own. Never. It's even worse when you have an entire forest full of killers. Name me one time when humans have not gone all out to deal with killers.

I've never heard of humans giving up on avenging their families. I see no precedent for this.

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Fourthly, it's just not cost efficient to avenger the deaths of your family members/friends on Felarya.

Since when has that ever been relevant to people who want to avenge their family members?

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In order to even have a chance at success you need to be an expert tracker and escapist, and you need to be pretty smart, but if you were that smart you would have moved your friends off of Felarya already!!! (I *really* don't see why people live on Felarya. From an economics perspective it's only cost-efficient to send very expensive/time-sensitive cargoes from one portal to another via Felarya (and only if that is a significantly shorter/less expensive/less dangerous/the only route), and a few quick research teams to investigate its natural resources.) Anyone who isn't an expert at these skills will likely get eaten by some other predator long before they track down the pred they actually want to kill.

I have NO IDEA why anyone lives in Felarya. I've said a few times on here the best way to avoid these things is to leave Felarya - problem is it is said Felarya opens portals, which results in Felaryan preds invading other worlds.

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You should read what I said to Prince Vegeta02. Humans and nekos are capable of killing majorly top preds on a regular basis, along with being eaten by them on a regular basis. Tinies should be able to bring down humans and nekos as well as being eaten by them. Once again: this has nothing at all to do with humans, nekos and tinies being the only species eaten in Felarya.

You should read some of Timing2's stories. One of his series contains a group of tinies that has banded together and gotten smart; they have one-hit-paralysis posion tipped throwing spears, and know how to use them. It helps that they have a friendly neko and dridder to practice against, but the neither started out friendly and the neko learned first hand just how dangerous the tinies are.

As I said, such stories aren't canon. Well, Gwada says there's one such scene in the manga. Is timing2's story canon? The non-canon stories sometimes balance things out like that.

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Also Ravana3k has a character, Vale, who is an ex-assassin with a powered suit that has killed at least three preds up until now, by letting herself get swallowed and then stabbing her arm blades into the sides of the pred's throat, letting its own muscles pull her down and slice open its own arteries.

Ravana3k also has a Giantess who won't eat people. Jade, is that her name? Very nice character. I like her a lot.

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(A somewhat off-topic aside: humans armed with 150mm recoilless rifles that are firing tungsten or uranium penetrators ought to stand a good chance of driving a non-magical pred off. At those speeds and against human like flesh, the penetrators would be pretty much like giant sized handgun bullets. They'd do less internal damage than a real bullet, but they'd still hurt like hell and a hit against a vital organ would quite possibly be deadly. The downsides are that recoilless rifles and their ammo are heavy (three man team for a rifle and half-a-dozen shots, maybe a dozen if you push it), they take a dozen seconds to reload, and they are *very* noisy.)

There's worse than that. By this time period every human walking out of Negav would be carrying a c4 detpack. If a naga swallows that... kaboom.

How many preds have to go kaboom before they notice a pattern?

There are a few reasons humans might willingly live and adventure in Felarya, despite the danger.

The first reason is the soil - it heals and revitalizes living beings. While in Felarya they would not age, would be healed of any non-lethal wounds in days, and would be cured of any and all sicknesses or diseases. Effectively, they would be immortal, barring death by predator, poison, massive injury, and such. I can easily see people swarming the place to acquire either the benefits of the soil, or to discover the mystery of its functioning.

The second reason is the rumors of the world being full of legendary treasures. Greed makes people do stupid things, even knowing the danger.

Also, Felaryan predators do not typically invade other worlds, though I'm working on one where a predator is accidentally transported off-world (and spends the whole time trying to get back ). Most of the portal mishaps or dimensional shifts involve characters coming to Felarya, not the other way around.