Problems with Felarya

It's magic. Any questions about Felaryan physics that don't seem to make sense? You know what, a wizard did it. Can we move on?

rcs619 wrote:

Humans that go after full-sized preds tend to be...well...stupid. I imagine fairy hunters have a somewhat better chance, since it is actually possible to catch their target at a more managable size. As for the nuking, its mentioned because someone ALWAYS asks about nuking Felarya, be it from orbit, or with suitcase nukes.

About suitcase nukes... what saves a predator's life from a 5KT bomb going off inside their belly?

Raveolution wrote:

About suitcase nukes... what saves a predator's life from a 5KT bomb going off inside their belly?

you should read this thread https://felarya.forumotion.com/ideas-discussion-f3/suitcase-nuke-t1397.htm

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Raveolution wrote:

About suitcase nukes... what saves a predator's life from a 5KT bomb going off inside their belly?

The author?

timing2 wrote:

Raveolution wrote:

Armies? That's totally unwieldy. I would be talking about small, well armed squads of Tinies doing hit and fade on Nekos or Nekos on Nagas. You couldn't pay me enough to try to manage an army in that kind of jungle terrain.

I can see small groups taking down larger predators - it can and should happen. It wouldn't take much firepower either. Actually, big flashy firepower might even be a detriment - a large bore rifle or missile going off might bring curious fairies (or worse) to see what is going on.

The problem with finding specific targets would be locating them in the jungle. Unless the predator was very predictable, that could be an arduous task. You'd have to deal with traveling through extremely difficult terrain. Then you’d have to deal with other predators on the hunt. Even the plants themselves would be a problem in certain areas (carnivorous, strangling vines anyone?). So you’d need counters to any number of possible threats. Unless the group was very lucky or completely overpowering, I can’t see them escaping unscathed through very many missions.

Such a group would make for some interesting story possibilities.

What strikes me as odd is why there are no canonized Tinies who have some awesome magic, or better yet, psi.

Please allow me to be honest here and I hope this doesn't start a fight... The truth boils down to the fact if it is a weapon you need to carry into Felarya and supply it with ammo, then it is already obsolete. The weapons you need are the ones you have to evolve, like psi or magic, elemental powers, etc. I asked about nukes but really, honestly, they're also obsolete; you need epic magic or some serious psychic abilities, which is why in my story I have the "human dreadnought" concept... the marines are nothing but redshirts at best and beast chow at worst, and the real fights come with people who can move stuff with their minds and who know how to use telepathy without "plugging in too deep".

In Felarya your firepower lies within, or you lie within their belly...

Raveolution wrote:

What strikes me as odd is why there are no canonized Tinies who have some awesome magic, or better yet, psi.

Lots of things aren't canonized.

There's nothing to stop you from writing about a powerful neera or tomthumb. It wouldn't take much in the way of magic or psi powers to take them off the menu of their typical predators. JiroKatsu has a story called "Ako: The Beginning" about a neera mage and her encounter with an unprepared neko. Still, you don't read too many stories about tinies like that, and it's a really a shame.

I have a tiny in the works who's insanely rich, does that count?

FalconJudge wrote:

I have a tiny in the works who's insanely rich, does that count?

It could... depends on whether the Powers that Be like it or not.
Now could people please drop the subject of nukes? I thought we were voraphiles, not WMD-philes.

We could just subscribe to the Nuclear Weapons Taboo, too: there are no nukes because they don't f*ing exist, neither the Miratans nor Delurans want anything to do with them, anyone else would require Lady Luck to be a colossal dick to make them vanish into Felarya with a nuke on hand, and assembling one in Felarya is nigh-impossible, because nukes are devices of such precision that it's overkill for polishing glasses, and you've got to test the batch of conventional explosive before firing it, or else you'll only embarass yourself, and spread perfectly good (and very, very expensive) plutonium into the atmosphere. No need to tell you what you need when you test batches of conventional explosive: lots of open space, it makes lots of noise, and anything intelligent will soon begin wondering what are you up to (and whether it would be doing the world a service if it stopped you). Plus the only people who could help you do it would report you to their authorities the moment you asked. You tried assembling a nuke in the wilderness, alone? Here's a hint: don't. You'll only embarass yourself... and get cancer.
Even in our world, it takes more than a madman to get a handful of plutonium. You need a whole madhouse in all the right places. And you'd STILL get caught. And killed in a way no one would ever know what happened to you, after you spilled out the names of the whole madhouse. Now add divination magic into the mix, a healthy distrust of technology in the diviner, some Powers that Be, and think to yourself what would even be the point of trying.
I wouldn't have any objections to a nuke in Felarya... if it weren't just a nuke. It'd have to be more like a plot device, like in the 2nd season of 24. AND it couldn't explode at the end, AND Jack Bauer would be eaten in the first episode, AND everything that happened should be plausible. Hell, I even tried writing something like that, once... only in Planescape: a warrior made of lead, an atomic elf, a quarut inevitable and a fat ninja trying to find a bomb which their divination spell caught on right after information leaks about Bahamut's murder, therefore they suspect Tiamat... and they've got only 27 hours to find and stop the bomb. Well, it was a gag series.

Raveolution wrote:

truth boils down to the fact if it is a weapon you need to carry into Felarya and supply it with ammo, then it is already obsolete.

I disagree. Ammo limitations are cool and magic can run out too, even if theoretically you can replenish it. Also, you know, you aren't attacked ALL the time, not even in Felarya (unless you're the one picking the fights, in whose case if you don't die with no chance to spend most of your ammo, then you should be thankful the universe decided to endure you in the first place). Besides, anyone'll be a redshirt if they don't pick their fights carefully!

Stabs wrote:

I thought we were voraphiles, not WMD-philes.

It may surprise you, but several of the people here are not Vorians.

Like me. Well, I like the idea of being licked/eaten alot better since I got here, so give it time... This place helps make vore fans, I think...

Also, weapons + ammo are cool, even if you do like vore. Sometimes. But you know, I agree that nukes are kinda stupid here, and thank you for one of the most satisfactory answers yet.

I'm not really into vore either. I'm more into gore, lore, general stores and whores: all staples of the adventuring genre. Not as much as into challenges, though: I once spent a month writing a way for 7th level characters to take on a CR 13 dragon WITHOUT using its weaknesses AND accounting for its strengths. From there I found ways for a level 13 party to kill a CR 25 dragon. Guaranteed one-round kill... as long as the GM didn't get creative.

And thanks, Falconjudge, but I was just pointing the obvious. Nukes are a bad idea anywhere, and in general they're on really bad taste. There's nothing heroic about them, nothing sexy, so they should be avoided in this genre.

The nuke thing will never die will it lol...

Can someone establish the status of Earth... or if it even exists... or SOMETHING about it... I mean the thing that would make the sense is that it's way in the future... but you know things don't necessarily make sense in Felarya (at least in our terms )

Yes... I like WMDs... in movies/TV/stories... not in RL... but I do find them interesting. I find all post-apocalyptic and apocalyptic things interesting (asteroids/pandemics/solar flares... basically all types of disasters that can befall humanity ) It make for great entertainment... except when it actually happens...

I've learned so far that C4 is sufficient... but still too extreme... but grenades are too weak... so what am I to do... well that's why my signature emphazies being friends (or else).

Oh and if plutonium got into the air/radiation from a nuke would it actually have an effect since Felarya has supposed natural healing abilities? (Or would it depend on the amount of radiation... hmm... )

4:00 AM... sleepy... but then I see suitcase nukes... and I'm like... "it's back" (/w dramatic music) and therefore I HAD to comment .

Remember: It's better to talk about these tough issues before they become horrible, horrible problems

And yes... I LOVE EMOTICONS !!!

vegasmazza3 wrote:

The nuke thing will never die will it lol...

Can someone establish the status of Earth... or if it even exists... or SOMETHING about it... I mean the thing that would make the sense is that it's way in the future... but you know things don't necessarily make sense in Felarya (at least in our terms )

Yes... I like WMDs... in movies/TV/stories... not in RL... but I do find them interesting. I find all post-apocalyptic and apocalyptic things interesting (asteroids/pandemics/solar flares... basically all types of disasters that can befall humanity ) It make for great entertainment... except when it actually happens...

I've learned so far that C4 is sufficient... but still too extreme... but grenades are too weak... so what am I to do... well that's why my signature emphazies being friends (or else).

Oh and if plutonium got into the air/radiation from a nuke would it actually have an effect since Felarya has supposed natural healing abilities? (Or would it depend on the amount of radiation... hmm... )

4:00 AM... sleepy... but then I see suitcase nukes... and I'm like... "it's back" (/w dramatic music) and therefore I HAD to comment .

Remember: It's better to talk about these tough issues before they become horrible, horrible problems

And yes... I LOVE EMOTICONS !!!

Well, we've talked. And now that all issues are addressed, I think we can agree it won't happen, ever. Shall we, guys?

Oh, nice to meet you, vegasmazza. Looks like we're like-minded: we're both random, drop on pages at the mention of single words, and we like our doomsdays big. I've got a feeling we'll be great friends...

But addressing your plutonium question, bomb-grade plutonium isn't as radioactive as they make it seem. If it got into the air, it'd probably cool down from the explosion heat, coalesce into dust, and be buried into the soil by the next rain. Then we'd get a hotspot... whose effects depend on the author. But Felarya being Felarya, I say it's likely some girls will catch Godzillitis there until they flush the plutonium out of their system (and get eaten).

Stabs wrote:

FalconJudge wrote:

I have a tiny in the works who's insanely rich, does that count?

It could... depends on whether the Powers that Be like it or not.
Now could people please drop the subject of nukes? I thought we were voraphiles, not WMD-philes.

We could just subscribe to the Nuclear Weapons Taboo, too: there are no nukes because they don't f*ing exist,

But they do exist in reality; which means someone from the outside could just bring one in.

If, for instance, Felarya opened a portal to Earth in the wrong place and a hungry Pred stepped through, it would not be long before the offended superpower Government saw it as a threat and someone (I'm thinking China or the Russian Federation) would haul a nuke across the portal. It's not all that hard as one would think for a nuclear powers Government to be able to fly or drive a nuke across the portal. Or worse, a semi sci-fi weapon like an antimatter bomb. It is quite doable from that perspective.

The only way this will fail is if Notys sees it coming and opts to interfere, the portal closes quickly, or the truck or plane carrying the nuke just falls apart inches from the portal.

The problem, however, is whether some terrorist will steal and truck another nuke into, say, Negav City.

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neither the Miratans nor Delurans want anything to do with them, anyone else would require Lady Luck to be a colossal dick to make them vanish into Felarya with a nuke on hand, and assembling one in Felarya is nigh-impossible

Agreed on that.

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Plus the only people who could help you do it would report you to their authorities the moment you asked. You tried assembling a nuke in the wilderness, alone? Here's a hint: don't. You'll only embarass yourself... and get cancer.

Yes, that's downright foolish. But if some city in Felarya had the infrastructure to develop a bomb (okay, I admit, good luck with that), why would the Miratans or the Delurans attack them?

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Raveolution wrote:

truth boils down to the fact if it is a weapon you need to carry into Felarya and supply it with ammo, then it is already obsolete.

I disagree. Ammo limitations are cool and magic can run out too, even if theoretically you can replenish it. Also, you know, you aren't attacked ALL the time, not even in Felarya (unless you're the one picking the fights, in whose case if you don't die with no chance to spend most of your ammo, then you should be thankful the universe decided to endure you in the first place). Besides, anyone'll be a redshirt if they don't pick their fights carefully!

If you are a ground convoy moving goods you stand a fair chance of being attacked by Preds no matter how super secret your route is or how stealthy you are. In this case you don't pick the fights; you become like Pikachu, in that the fights choose you. And when you use your ammo/weapons to defend yourself you may attract other Preds. (Which is why I say that air convoys near the limit of Felarya's atmosphere are safer; not much is able to bother you up there.)

Also, magic is not your only enemy - as someone else said, a giant naga tail whack (or a closed fist strike by a 100 foot tall fairy) trumps a hell of a lot of anything you can bring against them in Felarya. Granted, you can defeat them with an iron golem or a Bolo tank... but where will you get that?


When it comes down to it, in Felarya I want 2 things: strong telekinesis, and a lightsaber. And maybe Ghost Rider's penance stare, LOL.

Sheesh, no one that I've seen so far seems to be attached to the idea of Nukes... why does this keep coming up?

FalconJudge wrote:

Sheesh, no one that I've seen so far seems to be attached to the idea of Nukes... why does this keep coming up?

Because thermonuclear warheads are the most destructive weapons created by man (so far).

Raveolution wrote:

But they do exist in reality; which means someone from the outside could just bring one in.

Hadn't they already disarmed all of them?

Raveolution wrote:

If, for instance, Felarya opened a portal to Earth in the wrong place and a hungry Pred stepped through, it would not be long before the offended superpower Government saw it as a threat and someone (I'm thinking China or the Russian Federation) would haul a nuke across the portal. It's not all that hard as one would think for a nuclear powers Government to be able to fly or drive a nuke across the portal. Or worse, a semi sci-fi weapon like an antimatter bomb. It is quite doable from that perspective.
The only way this will fail is if Notys sees it coming and opts to interfere, the portal closes quickly, or the truck or plane carrying the nuke just falls apart inches from the portal.
The problem, however, is whether some terrorist will steal and truck another nuke into, say, Negav City.

Well, with governments as paranoid as the ones in real life, Negav should be safe; they've got their little fingers with spies on them everywhere. Besides, the portal would get sealed off for a few months before they decide to mount an offensive. Any predator that tried to come out after the portal opened would find itself as the antagonist of Doom IV. Except a quick-thinking Storm Fairy... which would merit collapsing the installations on top of the portal.

Raveolution wrote:

Yes, that's downright foolish. But if some city in Felarya had the infrastructure to develop a bomb (okay, I admit, good luck with that), why would the Miratans or the Delurans attack them?

Because they were assembling weapons of mass destruction. Or if that's what you mean, one escaped scientist tells on them.

Raveolution wrote:

If you are a ground convoy moving goods you stand a fair chance of being attacked by Preds no matter how super secret your route is or how stealthy you are. In this case you don't pick the fights; you become like Pikachu, in that the fights choose you. And when you use your ammo/weapons to defend yourself you may attract other Preds. (Which is why I say that air convoys near the limit of Felarya's atmosphere are safer; not much is able to bother you up there.)

You may attract other preds. But remember preds aren't out to get you: they're out to eat you. So if they see a dozen dead giant nagas, some with a five-foot hole blown on their faces, and others with their guts showing and their eyes blankly staring dead into the sky, they might decide "They'll deplete their ammo eventually. But they'll have to do it on someone more stupid than me, heh". The best weapon's the one you only have to shoot once, because no one will want you to fire it again. Like Tony Stark said. If you're really carrying super-powerful fire, then you don't have to face ALL the predators: only the ones with death wishes, terminal stupidity, under orders from someone else, or who are in it for the challenge and are after a shirt that reads: "I successfully attacked an armed convoy and all I got was this lame T-shirt!".

Raveolution wrote:

Also, magic is not your only enemy - as someone else said, a giant naga tail whack (or a closed fist strike by a 100 foot tall fairy) trumps a hell of a lot of anything you can bring against them in Felarya. Granted, you can defeat them with an iron golem or a Bolo tank... but where will you get that?

Good point. For demolition-level strength, I'd recommend not even getting close to the things. Giant naga tail whack can be countered by just wearing a spiky hat... or if you want it to work, have spiky hair and invoke the rule of funny. Then again, you can counter it by being away from the ground, somewhere their weight won't be supported.

You can kill a fairy by combining Rule of Cute with a fairy hunter. He'll wander off, the fairy will toy with him for a while, and you run the other way while he wins the Darwin Award. Of course, poison the fairy hunter beforehand! Preferably, the fairy hunter will be a cute itty bitty boy with a shrill voice, one who blushes at the slighest provocation, can't deal with his emerging sexuality and still thinks girls have cooties, who takes everything really seriously, and that thinks himself far too much bigger than he actually is: one so cute that YOU would eat him if it weren't he'd give you diabetes, and you'll use poison that makes his tummy hurt, delivered through a lollipop (you can also add caffeine on the lollipop make him cuter). The fairy might realize he's poisoned, but the cuteness proximity factor will dumb her down enough to gulp him down anyway when she's done playing. Or if she's very strong-willed, she might try to save the boy and eat YOU instead because you're so evil... but treating the poison will slow her down enough for you to escape (and if it doesn't, she'll try to treat the boy's aversion to her afterwards. Because he's so friggin' cute).

As for dryads and other things that can crack a vehicle in half, well, good luck with that.

Raveolution wrote:

When it comes down to it, in Felarya I want 2 things: strong telekinesis, and a lightsaber. And maybe Ghost Rider's penance stare, LOL.

Wouldn't you rather have a Saiyan ascendance? It'd help you more, though it may not be as much fun to tell your friends about it. I mean, imagine if Goku ended up in Felarya...

'Shirtless hunk wanders into a tavern. The women swoon at his manly body and curvaceous face... until he opens his mouth and begins screeching.'
-Hi! I want two hundred bowls of rice, and a roasted pork please!
'Sits down. Someone comes up to him.'
-Hey, you don't seem from around here.
-No, I was traipsing around in space, when I suddenly ended here! There was a jungle and it was very big, everything was red! And after I punched out like a million apes, there was this red-haired woman with wings and armor who told me I was amazing. I went to her house because I needed a new shirt, she was really nice and she cooked very well, and she had many friends who were nice to me too, but they got really angry that night when I told them I was married and I couldn't kiss them, so they grew up and tried to eat me! They used lots of fire and they also shrank me.
-I'm sorry? Bloodclaw apes, and a team of crimson maidens? You're a crook.
-No, really, ask them! 'pulls out a few battered, stunned crimson maidens from his pocket. Then he turns to the tavernkeeper' Oh, the food's on them because I don't have any money.

It'd be more fun for the aftermath than the actual combat, but still, I'm sure god-mods have their place too. Specifically, if someone gets too cocky with the predators, then I'm sure he deserves to meet the boring invincible people more than the predators.

Oh, sh*t. We already have a thread for that. Sorry, Raveolution... I should've been paying attention. You even started that one!

All well said, except that Gokuu is a serious God-mod.

God-mods aren't all that exciting in Felarya, well except for Gokuu, he'd make for some damned interesting fights. Gokuu would definitely bring all the Guardians at once as soon as he showed up, and it would be one hell of a battle. The problem is Felarya has this, er, vorish nature that tends to drive people to want to eat things alive. You take that and combine it with Gokuu's already insatiable appetite and really, frankly, you honestly do not want to gamble with the potential results of that. So yeah, you would want the Guardians to take him down...

I still say there's no offense like a great defense. My favorite defense is "running away screaming your head off". That's why I recommend anyone going through Felarya to have something escape worthy. Take to the skies if you're being naga rushed, fly through the forests if you're having harpy issues, and if you run into both, you're screwed.

So while the fools are trying to kill a rampant naga with their little pea shooters, I'll be halfway to Negav's luxury resort thanks to my new "run like hell" Reeboks. And that's why you always travel in groups.

Heck, if I've learned anything, you should probably learn to improvise as well. Even giants aren't safe in Felarya.

You might want to try running away without screaming your head off. While it sounds nifty at first, many people fail to realize just how difficult it can be to reattach their head once it is off. Not to mention, predators often orient on loud noises, so screaming will only help them pinpoint your location that much easier.

And I agree wholeheartedly about even giants not being safe in Felarya. There's always a bigger (or hungrier) fish in the pond.

timing2 wrote:

And I agree wholeheartedly about even giants not being safe in Felarya. There's always a bigger (or hungrier) fish in the pond.

There has to be a limit.

The Guardians are the limit.

FalconJudge wrote:

The Guardians are the limit.

Ah, but who guards the Guardians?

Each other.