The invisible hand of the Guardians... clarified

So in my first explanation of my theory about the Guardians, I posited that maybe the Guardians manipulated the powerful mages of Ur-Sagol into a war that led to them destroying their own city with their own greed/hate/experiments, whatever.

So what if the Guardians did it again with Negav City, during Micolon's time?

What if Negav City had, say for scenario purposes, gotten a little too big for their britches and they had an army that started laying waste to nearby habitats for the purposes of expanding?

Perhaps the Guardians saw the total ruin of Ur-Sagol and decided that whatever happened there must not happen again? This is logical, since if every time a human city pops up it might get too big and the end result would be a lifeless land, rinse and repeat, until in time, great swaths of Felarya lay in ruins. Not desirable; once was bad enough.

Okay, so the Guardians know there's tension between humans and nekos during Micolon's time. Maybe they influenced someone to carry out a terrorist act or they influenced some kind of civil war in which the Preds took advantage and ate Micolon (and a bunch of others, too). End result: expansion fail, and the land isn't cursed, scorched, rendered lifeless, etc.

Now the Ps'isol magiocrats and the Vishmitals present a HUGE recipe for trouble.

My clarification is that regardless of how Ur-Sagol was wiped out, the Guardians could have felt its destruction was a bit extreme, and as such they now have a plan to bring Negav to its knees without wiping it out utterly, if they ever decide that the need has arisen.

Raveolution wrote:

So in my first explanation of my theory about the Guardians, I posited that maybe the Guardians manipulated the powerful mages of Ur-Sagol into a war that led to them destroying their own city with their own greed/hate/experiments, whatever.

So what if the Guardians did it again with Negav City, during Micolon's time?

It's been over before that Guardians don't micromanage. Also, from the front page of the wiki:

" Ur-Sagol, the city in ruin on the map was just that: a city that grew too large and too powerful and then which began to colonize its surroundings... until a guardian razed it in a single night."

That means it wasn't playfully manipulated, but that civilization was curb-stomped, HARD.

Ehh...I just don't see this as the case.

The guardians aren't some kind of magical, omnipotent creatures. They're essentially just extremely strong people that loosely associate to keep things from falling to hell. They have fixed physical forms.

The only one that possibly could is the human one, and that's the least dangerous one of them all.

It was specifically stated that the city of Ur-Sagol was "razed in a single night". The guardians probably don't have the time or patience for subterfuge. Why should they? If there's a problem, they bop it over the head and likely have Nemyra and her fairies help heal the damage with their nature magic. It isn't like "nuking" is the only option. Turn Quaz loose. He could get a 1000 Abyssal Tonorions to come in, rip the place to shreds and the land wouldn't be hurt badly at all.

I think their past actions show that they aren't that subtle. If something is big enough to warrant their attention, they handle it and move on. I don't think it was just expansion that got the Guardians on Ur-Sagol's ass. They aren't some kind of "lets keep the humans down" group (them kicking Sineria and her dridders' asses show that they go after preds too). Whatever the Ur-Sagolians did, or discovered...it was likely huge, and potentially devastating, not just to them, but to the entire region.

Yeah. Felarya is huge, bigger than the map shows. I don't think the Guardians would take the time.

They Guard, like Guardian implies. They watch and if something very threatening shows up, they take quick action.

rcs619 wrote:

Ehh...I just don't see this as the case.

The guardians aren't some kind of magical, omnipotent creatures. They're essentially just extremely strong people that loosely associate to keep things from falling to hell. They have fixed physical forms.

The only one that possibly could is the human one, and that's the least dangerous one of them all.

Mercreti? She has the power to obliterate worlds. Or is there another human guardian that I don't know of?

Raveolution wrote:

rcs619 wrote:

Ehh...I just don't see this as the case.

The guardians aren't some kind of magical, omnipotent creatures. They're essentially just extremely strong people that loosely associate to keep things from falling to hell. They have fixed physical forms.

The only one that possibly could is the human one, and that's the least dangerous one of them all.

Mercreti? She has the power to obliterate worlds. Or is there another human guardian that I don't know of?

Yes, but she's listed as one of the least dangerous one. Her threat-level is lower on the wiki.

rcs619 wrote:

Raveolution wrote:

rcs619 wrote:

Ehh...I just don't see this as the case.

The guardians aren't some kind of magical, omnipotent creatures. They're essentially just extremely strong people that loosely associate to keep things from falling to hell. They have fixed physical forms.

The only one that possibly could is the human one, and that's the least dangerous one of them all.

Mercreti? She has the power to obliterate worlds. Or is there another human guardian that I don't know of?

Yes, but she's listed as one of the least dangerous one. Her threat-level is lower on the wiki.

I think that is because she is not likely to go after humans. As for invisible I that idea goes out the window because they blatantly do things. All thought one question that I was thinking about is if something that powerful comes up can one of them be replaces or do they try to bump each other off from time to time. Like the one with titles like Nemyra and Quaz do they have to deal with challengers to there throne from time to time. And if they are beaten does the winner just become the new them.

Only to jump in on a specific point: The Human Guardian is lower on the list, as if you're a human or Neko, you're possibly likely to see her in your town / city (she is said to explore such every now and then) yet not be at risk.

If you're exploring the wilds of Felarya, and you come across some of the other Guardians, however, and they're in the least bit hungry ATM or peeved off (imagine an angry-looking Q suddenly appearing before you), then you'd best hope another Guardian or Deity is paying attention to you ALA Rincewind, and will back your ass up until you can get out of the disaster zone. A human is much more likely to meet Mercreti and not even notice it, than they are to come across the others and walk away intact.

Malahite wrote:

Only to jump in on a specific point: The Human Guardian is lower on the list, as if you're a human or Neko, you're possibly likely to see her in your town / city (she is said to explore such every now and then) yet not be at risk.

If you're exploring the wilds of Felarya, and you come across some of the other Guardians, however, and they're in the least bit hungry ATM or peeved off (imagine an angry-looking Q suddenly appearing before you), then you'd best hope another Guardian or Deity is paying attention to you ALA Rincewind, and will back your ass up until you can get out of the disaster zone. A human is much more likely to meet Mercreti and not even notice it, than they are to come across the others and walk away intact.

Pretty much. Remember, the danger rating is based of the threat to humans and similar creatures.

I think you are getting a bit the wrong idea about guardians ^^;

Like other highlighted, they aren't a political force at all... and they act only when the very balance of the whole world is at stake, not if a clan of nagas or a city is wiped out...

In the case of Déméchrelle : Darkness elemental threatening to turn all Felarya into an immense evernight forest with a vicious circle effect.
In the case of Sineria : Extremely powerful Dridder with an organized army of giant dridders beginning to march and conquer Felarya
In the case of Ur-Sagol : Very powerful nation of mage people beginning to expand and colonize the region.

There are of course many other unlisted times they intervened but they remain very rare.

hmm. would be interesting if someone acted in a way to lure one of the guardians out just so they can flirt with her. X3

The police arrest you if you abuse 911 for things like that. I doubt the Guardians would be any less forgiving XD

what if said guardian thought the guy to be hot? x3

Well, not all of the guardians are female o___o

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If Quaz is attracted to you there is something seriously wrong.

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I believe the Guardians would be more than troublesome to bring out. You'd need to threaten to decimate the entire ecosystem and be taken completely seriously. And after that I don't think any would be in a "sexy" kind of mood.

FalconJudge wrote:

I believe the Guardians would be more than troublesome to bring out. You'd need to threaten to decimate the entire ecosystem and be taken completely seriously. And after that I don't think any would be in a "sexy" kind of mood.

Haven't they been known to wander out on occasion for the heck of it? Nemyra was depicted looming over a guy who was out hunting the "fairy queen". Aside from other fauna sitting around there dying with laughter he wasn't much of a threat.

Raveolution wrote:

FalconJudge wrote:

I believe the Guardians would be more than troublesome to bring out. You'd need to threaten to decimate the entire ecosystem and be taken completely seriously. And after that I don't think any would be in a "sexy" kind of mood.

Haven't they been known to wander out on occasion for the heck of it? Nemyra was depicted looming over a guy who was out hunting the "fairy queen". Aside from other fauna sitting around there dying with laughter he wasn't much of a threat.

Archmage_Bael wrote:

what if said guardian thought the guy to be hot? x3

The most likely for that to happen with would be Mercreti. Considering she is the most interactive. (At Least for humans) It is blatantly stated that she even has a job from time to time. it would not be to far fetched that she would have a boyfriend and them not be aware that she is a guardian. I would say the same thing for Nemyra only in her case it would be for a fairy. Trejal is the jerry atric of the group so good luck on that. Quaz is hyper aggressive so that is out of the question. As for Notys just good luck.

Raveolution wrote:

FalconJudge wrote:

I believe the Guardians would be more than troublesome to bring out. You'd need to threaten to decimate the entire ecosystem and be taken completely seriously. And after that I don't think any would be in a "sexy" kind of mood.

Haven't they been known to wander out on occasion for the heck of it? Nemyra was depicted looming over a guy who was out hunting the "fairy queen". Aside from other fauna sitting around there dying with laughter he wasn't much of a threat.

Right, as they don't have to keep themselves hidden away, 'oh fucking shit I have the worst luck in the universe' moments could occur when they're taking a leisurely stroll and you happen across one.

Since one of the Guardians is a little girl, I think it'd be funny if say, some grumpy dude who doesn't like kids tells her off, unaware that he's prodding something akin to an Elder God.

fish, thanks, you gave me the best idea for an rp XD

Jætte_Troll wrote:

If Quaz is attracted to you there is something seriously wrong.

That's gotta be the most terrifying thing that could conceivably happen to you on Felarya.

*shivers*

/Fish/ wrote:

unaware that he's prodding something akin to an Elder God.

I wouldn't quite call her an Elder God. I don't think she's lead to anyone scribbling a madness mantra on a solid stone wall with their finger nails until they snap, then moving on to use blood.

Not to say that a certain one of the other Guardians hasn't probably done this at least once. Or a great deal of our favorite hell-residing Giant Predators.

/Fish/ wrote:

Right, as they don't have to keep themselves hidden away, 'oh fucking shit I have the worst luck in the universe' moments could occur when they're taking a leisurely stroll and you happen across one.

Jesus. Talk about hyper fraggin aggro. Guardians would attack someone on a random encounter just because they're there?

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Since one of the Guardians is a little girl, I think it'd be funny if say, some grumpy dude who doesn't like kids tells her off, unaware that he's prodding something akin to an Elder God.

I envision Mercreti hauling off and zapping him into ashes for that. And I hope she doesn't go around eating humans... being human and all.