Mantoids and Sexual Cannibalism

rcs619 wrote:

I honestly don't care anymore.

They're your race, Kiki. Ruin them however you want.

Im going to actually focus on doing things that help the setting.

Thanks for that Cliff...really thanks for the insault...

kikijonson wrote:

rcs619 wrote:

I honestly don't care anymore.

They're your race, Kiki. Ruin them however you want.

Im going to actually focus on doing things that help the setting.

Thanks for that Cliff...really thanks for the insault...

What do you expect? Hasn't he been forced into it?

ZionAtriedes wrote:

kikijonson wrote:

rcs619 wrote:

I honestly don't care anymore.

They're your race, Kiki. Ruin them however you want.

Im going to actually focus on doing things that help the setting.

Thanks for that Cliff...really thanks for the insault...

What do you expect? Hasn't he been forced into it?

forced to insaults?...

I was just trying to keep my race the way I visioned it...after this...the base will be made and evryone can add what ever they want....I just want at least my base structure the same...

but I dont want to be insaulted for it...

I can understand that. Yes, Cliff completely abandoned the high road, that is true enough.

The point is that we were arguing something that was not canon. We, as the community, at least have that right. To say that we do not is a slight and a terrible affront.

ZionAtriedes wrote:

I can understand that. Yes, Cliff completely abandoned the high road, that is true enough.

The point is that we were arguing something that was not canon. We, as the community, at least have that right. To say that we do not is a slight and a terrible affront.

well yeah...my idea were so post to be canon...but didnt make it into it for some reason...I guess if I can get the ideas that were left out in the wiki then hopefully the issue will be resaulved...and then everyone can add in their own ideas...and honeslt I woud love to see the unique mantoid breeds...I already seem a few cool ones

Everyone was stressed under the pretenses. Let's got get angry at eachother.

I'm sure Karbo would agree that creator rights are equal to community discussion, so long as each party can come to an argeement.

Please be careful about forcing the male mantoids into this position of "nothing but food", try not to force things based on myths unless they're founded on fact, and overall, be friendly.

We don't need another "petition gone wrong" scenario. okay?

If you think that's up for discussion, try not to be angry at eachother. Come on.

Cliff felt that, with you and Karbo, he was being ganged up on even though he had the rational side of the argument. And I can bloody well see why! The community does have some rights, even though Karbo is the undisputed leader. The cannibalism is a little odd, and I understand why it makes no sense to some people.

oh well I just simply asked Karbo to add he stuff that wasnt mentioned in the wiki to put it inso the argument could be over with but things got out of hand..want my intent...I guess I was just so angry tha everything I said wasnt coming out with much sense...hopefully my last exsplanation was good....was it good enough or do I need to explain more?...

I personally don't see a problem.

Anyone else see a problem?

My problem is that it seems to me that it doesn't matter whether we have a problem.

And... what does that mean?

Pendragon wrote:

And... what does that mean?

pretty much you didnt want the proble to be there...right?...

Wow this thread really accelerated.

If I may say something, even though I know we're trying to compromise, we should try a little harder to reach a level ground. There will always be people who disagree, and personally, I am fine with the mantoids' way of sexual reproduction, I don't feel like writing a full page on specifics, but there are ways to keep it working out.

Also, Felarya belongs to Karbo, and the Mantoids belong to Kiki. Both of them are fine with them the way they are, and things in the wiki don't often change, but they're both also willing to compromise. I think we should take that and accept it.

What we could also do is find out some reason why despite the head biting thing they can still maintain genetic diversity. There ARE solutions we just need to find them.

kikijonson wrote:

Now...the males mantoids will be the same size...the reason I stated that they could be smaller an the females swallow them because people were complaining on how they think is grusem to have the female Hard vore them and stuff...now people are finding that stupid so...I guess the only thing to do is change it to where the males are the same size...but that leaves the female only to do hard vore...

so...the female and malle are the same size...maybe the female being slight bigger since insects tend to have the female bigger...but not by much you know...maybe like...a foot or two...

Ok that is something that I accept.

kikijonson wrote:

Ok...no time to discuss the eating thing...

The reason for the female eating the male is because...once pregnate...the female's body starts producing the eggs...and within a few days all the eggs will be made...ranging from 35 to 45 eggs...the eggs stay inside the female for about 2 weeks...then she lays the eggs in a safe spot...and gaurds them...now...during the 2 weeks of when the female is full of eggs...she's pretty much feeding herself and 45 other mantoids inside of her...obviously she needs all the nutrients she can get...but the problem is...she's full of eggs...making movement somewhat tough...try telling a woman who is pregnate with triplets to run around a track 3 times...it's not going to happen...

so in order to actually survive the 2 weeks of no food...the female eats the male...the males body provides enough nutriets for the female to make it through the 2 weeks without having to eat... (I guess you can say the males body is very...nutricious ^w^)

but the female dosent have to eat the male...this is often agreed apon by the mates...since Mantoids have a rather diffrent way of sex...breeding is breeding...you dont need to be a couple to have sex...so typically if two mantoids meet for the first time and breed...well most likely the ffemale eats the male...but if they are actually in a relationship then most likely the male wont get eaten...(i know this area is going to get debated...I have a hard time exsplaining it >.<)

in general mantoids see sex as well...just there...they use more of animal instincts I guess...

but if the female dosent eat the male...it's up to the male or any of the friends to help provide a constant stream of food so the female will have a safe pregnacy....

hopefull this describes everything alot better...

Real praying mantises carry their eggs for a month before laying them and eating when they do eat the male it is just to add extra nourishment for the eggs, they are fully capable of hunting during this time however.

Real praying mantises also lay hundreds of very small eggs. Egg laying predators lay small eggs a fraction of their size given their smaller stature; in other toric species their eggs would make smaller, and it makes sense to me for the young mantis babies to be smaller than you describe closer to tiny size and be more of them than you described and swarm tiny civilizations for food.

I have no problem with them not seeing sex the same way humans tend to, my problem is the males utter acceptance of it given that they are sapient and know what is going to happen to them in what you describe. I can however see them with their more aggressive nature potentially killing another in anger, and then eating them.

rcs619 wrote:

I honestly don't care anymore.

They're your race, Kiki. Ruin them however you want.

Im going to actually focus on doing things that help the setting.

Now then Cliff I have told you once before what I though of this attitude. So please take it somewhere else as I don't think that anyone wants to hear it anymore. All you are doing is making yourself look like an ass, so if you would be so kind as to take it somewhere else.

Archmage_Bael wrote:

Wow this thread really accelerated.

If I may say something, even though I know we're trying to compromise, we should try a little harder to reach a level ground. There will always be people who disagree, and personally, I am fine with the mantoids' way of sexual reproduction, I don't feel like writing a full page on specifics, but there are ways to keep it working out.

Also, Felarya belongs to Karbo, and the Mantoids belong to Kiki. Both of them are fine with them the way they are, and things in the wiki don't often change, but they're both also willing to compromise. I think we should take that and accept it.

What we could also do is find out some reason why despite the head biting thing they can still maintain genetic diversity. There ARE solutions we just need to find them.

Let's say the head biting is optional. If she's a sadist, she'll eat the guy. If not, she'll send him out for food.

See? a possible solution. No need to throw out any compromises yet.

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Now then Cliff I have told you once before what I though of this attitude. So please take it somewhere else as I don't think that anyone wants to hear it anymore. All you are doing is making yourself look like an ass, so if you would be so kind as to take it somewhere else.

I'll say what I want to say, when I want to say it.

I've been in this community for 3 damn years, I won't have the right to speak my mind taken away as well.

I've already had friends turn on me, and I've already lost most of the respect I used to have. Im bitter and past the poiint of caring what most of you people think of me. Im going to do what I think is right for the setting.

Nobody is saying that Cliff.

Let's not get heated up over it. The problem was that everyone was getting pissy over people demanding that everyone follow THEIR line of thinking. You weren't the only one guilty of it.

We're not taking away your ability to speak freely. The problem is how you speak your mind.

Pendragon wrote:

Archmage_Bael wrote:

Wow this thread really accelerated.

If I may say something, even though I know we're trying to compromise, we should try a little harder to reach a level ground. There will always be people who disagree, and personally, I am fine with the mantoids' way of sexual reproduction, I don't feel like writing a full page on specifics, but there are ways to keep it working out.

Also, Felarya belongs to Karbo, and the Mantoids belong to Kiki. Both of them are fine with them the way they are, and things in the wiki don't often change, but they're both also willing to compromise. I think we should take that and accept it.

What we could also do is find out some reason why despite the head biting thing they can still maintain genetic diversity. There ARE solutions we just need to find them.

Let's say the head biting is optional. If she's a sadist, she'll eat the guy. If not, she'll send him out for food.

See? a possible solution. No need to throw out any compromises yet.

well yeah, there's one solution. they're intelligent, that could happen. there could also be a religious belief, or there could be a biological way that genetic diversity is kept.

buddha66667 wrote:

kikijonson wrote:

Now...the males mantoids will be the same size...the reason I stated that they could be smaller an the females swallow them because people were complaining on how they think is grusem to have the female Hard vore them and stuff...now people are finding that stupid so...I guess the only thing to do is change it to where the males are the same size...but that leaves the female only to do hard vore...

so...the female and malle are the same size...maybe the female being slight bigger since insects tend to have the female bigger...but not by much you know...maybe like...a foot or two...

Ok that is something that I accept.

kikijonson wrote:

Ok...no time to discuss the eating thing...

The reason for the female eating the male is because...once pregnate...the female's body starts producing the eggs...and within a few days all the eggs will be made...ranging from 35 to 45 eggs...the eggs stay inside the female for about 2 weeks...then she lays the eggs in a safe spot...and gaurds them...now...during the 2 weeks of when the female is full of eggs...she's pretty much feeding herself and 45 other mantoids inside of her...obviously she needs all the nutrients she can get...but the problem is...she's full of eggs...making movement somewhat tough...try telling a woman who is pregnate with triplets to run around a track 3 times...it's not going to happen...

so in order to actually survive the 2 weeks of no food...the female eats the male...the males body provides enough nutriets for the female to make it through the 2 weeks without having to eat... (I guess you can say the males body is very...nutricious ^w^)

but the female dosent have to eat the male...this is often agreed apon by the mates...since Mantoids have a rather diffrent way of sex...breeding is breeding...you dont need to be a couple to have sex...so typically if two mantoids meet for the first time and breed...well most likely the ffemale eats the male...but if they are actually in a relationship then most likely the male wont get eaten...(i know this area is going to get debated...I have a hard time exsplaining it >.<)

in general mantoids see sex as well...just there...they use more of animal instincts I guess...

but if the female dosent eat the male...it's up to the male or any of the friends to help provide a constant stream of food so the female will have a safe pregnacy....

hopefull this describes everything alot better...

Real praying mantises carry their eggs for a month before laying them and eating when they do eat the male it is just to add extra nourishment for the eggs, they are fully capable of hunting during this time however.

Real praying mantises also lay hundreds of very small eggs. Egg laying predators lay small eggs a fraction of their size given their smaller stature; in other toric species their eggs would make smaller, and it makes sense to me for the young mantis babies to be smaller than you describe closer to tiny size and be more of them than you described and swarm tiny civilizations for food.

I have no problem with them not seeing sex the same way humans tend to, my problem is the males utter acceptance of it given that they are sapient and know what is going to happen to them in what you describe. I can however see them with their more aggressive nature potentially killing another in anger, and then eating them.

rcs619 wrote:

I honestly don't care anymore.

They're your race, Kiki. Ruin them however you want.

Im going to actually focus on doing things that help the setting.

Now then Cliff I have told you once before what I though of this attitude. So please take it somewhere else as I don't think that anyone wants to hear it anymore. All you are doing is making yourself look like an ass, so if you would be so kind as to take it somewhere else.

eh...it dosent have to be exactly like real life you know hehehe...but this does make sense and its what I originally planned and learned...so I think it should stay this way...

the male opinion thing is the only vaque part and it is the weakest part I know and I do have to put some thought into it...but les just say that each male has their own views on it...of course the ones that accep it will breed and the ones that dont wont...which i why the mantoid race is somewhat a rarer one...

rcs619 wrote:

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Now then Cliff I have told you once before what I though of this attitude. So please take it somewhere else as I don't think that anyone wants to hear it anymore. All you are doing is making yourself look like an ass, so if you would be so kind as to take it somewhere else.

I'll say what I want to say, when I want to say it.

I've been in this community for 3 damn years, I won't have the right to speak my mind taken away as well.

I've already had friends turn on me, and I've already lost most of the respect I used to have. Im bitter and past the poiint of caring what most of you people think of me. Im going to do what I think is right for the setting.

Cliff, do the world a favor, do justice to your argument.
Go to sleep. Wait until tomorrow. Get up rested and all nice. You're better than this.

I'll reopen the thread later.

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Okay, let's do this.

Cliff, I've seen your argument. Kiki, so do you.

Yes, Cliff. You have reason on your side. On the other hand, we have no use whatsoever for those who know the limits of what is possible- specially if they end up doing is being bitter under the pretense of helping the community. You think you're helping the community? You're not. You think you're helping the setting? Maybe, at the expense of the community. Here's a hint, Cliff. Don't win an argument and lose a friend. What do you think Felarya's for? If you put contribution above fun, you're missing the point. I know contribution is important, but what's more important is for us to have something to share with each other: we can handle a kink or two that doesn't make sense. We'll go back upon it at a later date in a worst case scenario. What we can't handle well is you or anyone else being a jerk for the sake of the setting.


Yes, Kiki, it's your call. Now, if I ever see you arguing in circles again, it won't be pretty. Then again, I have to admit it would be hypocritical of me to actually take your side- I don't mind cannibal mantids, but I do mind suicidal lemmings. And suicidal whales... make me sad. I hate it when whales beach themselves and wait for their organs to squash themselves, their skin to dry, I just... suffer. Except unlike lemmings, whales do commit seppuku.

But let me say, I'm not trying to cater to the majority here- Kiki, you'd best take a deep breath. We have all the time in the world- so try to make it make sense, against their arguments, that's what I'd recommend you. Logic is a tool, nobody owns it: its only limit is what you make of it, and yes, its true potential is beyond what anyone here can tell. Beyond Cliff, beyond Zion, beyond me.

I know this can work, I'm all for having it your way, Kiki. But you will have to earn it or compromise.


Well, that's at least what I think. See you.

I suggested this on ventrilo and they told me to post it here. Perhaps this can be added to the end of the mantoid article. Possibly also adding that females enjoy playfully nibbling their mates as well.


"There are a few rare members of Mantoids that, at times, will eat their mates should either the male be sick and/or weakly, or if the female is starving. Male Mantoids do their best to avoid this by either offering the female food and/or performing an elaborate mating ritual in order to get her mindset off hunting."

Jasconius wrote:

I suggested this on ventrilo and they told me to post it here. Perhaps this can be added to the end of the mantoid article. Possibly also adding that females enjoy playfully nibbling their mates as well.


"There are a few rare members of Mantoids that, at times, will eat their mates should either the male be sick and/or weakly, or if the female is starving. Male Mantoids do their best to avoid this by either offering the female food and/or performing an elaborate mating ritual in order to get her mindset off hunting."

Buddha supports this idea.

In my opinion, Kiki is absolutely right. It's her idea in the end. I wont pass all over everyone's arguements, but mine is: its her idea, she can do whatever she wants with them. She even added the possibility for the male to decide wether or not he wants to be food for the female. brilliant. also, karbo agreed somewhere.

Now, with what I know, Karbo isn't dumb nor have a mental malady. He knows what he's doing. He has a brain. When this dear Karbo says it can perfectly fit in the canon, what else can we say. Canon is established by him, if I remember.

Also, what the hell! WHats wrong in changing canon? It's not like itll be permanent. In fact, it HAS to be changed in order to bring a better one. I see people are a bit too defensive concerning canons. Perso, i think itll mostly affect people who used or wanted to use mantoids in their story. its not my case and its not the case of many other contributors. Also, it'll just add another caracteristics concerning mantoids.

Kiki, your idea is wonderful. If you disagree with what people want from mantoids, dont let them step over your idea. But yeah, suggestions are good too. In fact, its your call. you have the final decision concerning them

Well, at least this thread has helped to set the boundries on what is morally acceptable in Felarya.

Adding a rape trait to dolphin mermaids is a no-no, since rape is bad, offensive, and that real-world animal trait just doesn't transfer well to a hybrid species.

Adding in mantoids murdering, cutting up, and eating their mates is perfectly fine though.

Good to know. Rape bad, murder and mutilation good.