Monogendered Races Procreation

So this is an obvious issue with species that are primarily one gender: forced sex. Races such as Harpies (I think there's more than one in felarya) will end up capturing an ideal prey type to use as a reproduction tool. I thought of making a thread for it, because it's something we'll need to be used to, and we shouldn't freak out about it every time we see that sort of thing mentioned. It's wrong as it stands among our species as humans, but it's how a mono gendered race will act.

How shall we go about talking about it, listing it, and reacting to it should we make more species with only one gender. I think this is really the biggest hurdle to that, since people will think it's an obvious pointer to a fetish or porn.

This idea was brought up by Dragonjaj's harpy thread.

The very definition of a species is the group capable of producing fertile offspring. One "species" using another to mate in the traditional sexual sense couldn't work.

Most pred species aren't mono-gendered (I actually haven't heard of one that is), they merely have few males. Which, in a system that allows for ridiculously-long lifespans and a group of species that seem to exhibit common bisexual behavior, makes sense. However, I believe this has been discussed before.

Rule of thumb around here: never assume you've discovered a glaring problem that hasn't been beaten to death on these forums.

Now I've been gone for awhile, but I thought it was firmly established there were no male harpies or slug-girls?

Slug-girls reproduce asexually, but I also thought harpies needed to mate with males of other species.

I'm merely saying that I don't think it's something we shouldn't have in Felarya just because it's morally wrong for Humans. Harpies are strictly female, and of course can give birth from having sex with any other male. In that situation it's logical to say some of them would have sex slaves.

In dragonjaj's thread, several people were against having it a part of the species' habits, for whatever reason.

Without getting into the discussion of what Felarya should and shouldn't have, or what people think of sex slaves, I want to just get it established a bit that it's something that would be seen eventually, somewhere, in Felarya.

I always assumed this was how the majority of harpies mated. Because honestly, I don't think they could ask the first male predator they find if they want to make babies without the pred deciding they want to eat them instead half the time

Well, I might have been misunderstod just a tad bit. My feelings were negative towards characters in the stories forcing sexual intercourse as a means of satisfying a fetish. I'll admit it is a thin line but it is there. When Harpies become sexual predators we know that it is in the name of procreation and nothing more. As I have come to accept, albeit with a great deal of trouble, these predators are not human and don't see things the way we do.

I'm not saying its right for the predators to act inhumane, but it's what we've come to expect. It may be hypocritical of me to say this, but its fine with me if the fauna take sexual partners by force. The deal breaker is having humans play the role of sexual predator. In my very humble opinion, we best not inject that kind of material into Felarya.

p.s. There does seem to be a need to push more giant male predators into the public view. I get the feeling they are not well recieved, which needs to be addressed. This world would benefit from it me thinks..

gt500x wrote:

Well, I might have been misunderstod just a tad bit. My feelings were negative towards characters in the stories forcing sexual intercourse as a means of satisfying a fetish. I'll admit it is a thin line but it is there. When Harpies become sexual predators we know that it is in the name of procreation and nothing more. As most of us have come to accept, albeit with a great deal of trouble, these predators are not human and don't see things the way we do.

I'm not saying its right for the predators to act inhuman, but it's what we've come to expect. It may be hypocritical of me to say this, but its fine with me if the fauna take sexual partners by force. The deal breaker is having humans play the role of sexual predator. In my very humble opinion, we best not inject that kind of material into Felarya.

If your trying to say we should just think "human sexual deviancy doesn't happen in Felarya", that seems a bit silly. In fact if Negav is heavily crime ridden I would it expect it to be pretty commonplace. Now can we heavily frown upon such material being focused in stories? Yes. But I wouldn't frown upon referencing the the thought that it does happen. I also wouldn't put it beyond predator species to do the same, considering that if they are intellectuals, I imagine they feel similar emotions due to rejection, loneliness, desire....etc.

However, in Felarya in general, I get the feeling that females of most species tend to play the dominant role. Thus they seem to be less likely to suffer such things and more likely to kick serious ass. IMO if the female to male ratio is so heavily unbalanced, I imagine males are probably the ones that should be worried.....

While I agree somewhat with your premise, your logic is flawed.



First, of monogendered races. I have presented two already - Jewel Dridders and Eurhyssa. I wouldn't necessarily include herms like the Slug girls, but you could technically also include them if you wanted, and we have a couple examples of them as well. In both of my races, the means by which they reproduce is actually something that can happen in real life and is documented in great detail. I don't see the need for reposting their methods again, as I've already covered it in my idea.


Guy meets girl is most assuredly not the only way nature made for spawning.


In the case of both Harpies and Dryads, this is also something that occurs in real life, yet has not been defined by Karbo as he doesn't have the scientific background for it. For harpies, it's a type of reproductive method where the female only requires the introduction of sperm to stimulate the growth of an embryo, (the process is called pseudogamy - specifically gynogenesis) where the maternal traits are the ones expressed in the offspring. Male inheritance is not transmitted - in real life; in Felarya, some of the male traits show up in the offspring, but are usually minor and the offspring is always a harpy. Dryads most probably use apomixis, or some form of parthenogenesis.





As for harpies, I really don't see them maintaining slaves. It's just too much hassle. The way I've seen it presented in other fantasy realms is that the harpies maintain normal lives for most of the year, and have seasons of heat. During these seasons they become increasingly dangerous for males, as packs of two to three will swarm a male of a race that has the necessary equipment of the proper size to mate with them. It's more a case of rape than slavery, and it fits better with their profile. Also, in relation to fantasy races, you have to be careful here - I've read about one in particular where the male had an ovipositor in the form of a penis and the female was the one generating the sperm; there could be races like that in Felarya whereupon harpies would have to know which types could provide sperm. Back to slavery, another issue comes up if their slaves aren't even capable of flight; what is the harpy supposed to do with them the majority of the time? Not to mention that you have to care for it and ensure it doesn't escape.... lot of work when the alternative is so much simpler.

ZionAtriedes wrote:

The very definition of a species is the group capable of producing fertile offspring. One "species" using another to mate in the traditional sexual sense couldn't work.

Most pred species aren't mono-gendered (I actually haven't heard of one that is), they merely have few males. Which, in a system that allows for ridiculously-long lifespans and a group of species that seem to exhibit common bisexual behavior, makes sense. However, I believe this has been discussed before.

Rule of thumb around here: never assume you've discovered a glaring problem that hasn't been beaten to death on these forums.

Harpies, Slug-girls and Dryads are monogendered.

Harpies mate with males of other species that are similar in size, and something in their genetics forces all offspring from it to be female harpies.

Slug-girls can only mate with other slug-girls, and being hermaphridites, have both male and female sexual organs (the male organ is in their tail section).

Dryads...no one really knows for sure. They probably release their seeds and pollen into the air, and the seedling is carried on the wind for a bit before it settles down and starts to sprout.

All other species are bi-gendered though.

I think people are looking at this wrong. Would some Harpies be a bit forceful with this? Maybe, but you have to keep in mind how Felarya is. There are no diseases, no real dangers involving sex. If an attractive bird-woman swooped down, started talking with you, and wanted to have a round of casual sex with no strings attatched for the male...I think a decent amount of guys would accept.

Also, I doubt how well a Harpy COULD force herself on someone. She has talons, sure...but harpies tend to be of a slighter build, and likely do have thinner, lighter bones to help them fly better.

I just think most matings with a Harpy would be a casual fling with no strings attatched for the male. No need to force something on someone when its something a decent amount of guys would do if you just asked.

rcs619 wrote:

Harpies mate with males of other species that are similar in size, and something in their genetics forces all offspring from it to be female harpies.

Slug-girls can only mate with other slug-girls, and being hermaphridites, have both male and female sexual organs (the male organ is in their tail section).

Dryads...no one really knows for sure. They probably release their seeds and pollen into the air, and the seedling is carried on the wind for a bit before it settles down and starts to sprout.

All other species are bi-gendered though.

I think people are looking at this wrong. Would some Harpies be a bit forceful with this? Maybe, but you have to keep in mind how Felarya is. There are no diseases, no real dangers involving sex. If an attractive bird-woman swooped down, started talking with you, and wanted to have a round of casual sex with no strings attatched for the male...I think a decent amount of guys would accept.

Also, I doubt how well a Harpy COULD force herself on someone. She has talons, sure...but harpies tend to be of a slighter build, and likely do have thinner, lighter bones to help them fly better.

I just think most matings with a Harpy would be a casual fling with no strings attatched for the male. No need to force something on someone when its something a decent amount of guys would do if you just asked.

Well, multiples could. Also, harpies don't exactly have the nicest form of communication. While in their own thoughts they would be polite they most certainly will not come off as such to those that are not aware of their racial peculiarities. In the realm of Felarya, given some of the backproduct of its production, I think you would more than likely see desired unions vs forced unions, but if push comes to shove...

Yeah, gotta agree with Cliff. Monogendered races usually have other methods of reproduction that doesn't require a complete male.

Otherwise they'd probably go extinct.

aethernavale wrote:

As for harpies, I really don't see them maintaining slaves. It's just too much hassle. The way I've seen it presented in other fantasy realms is that the harpies maintain normal lives for most of the year, and have seasons of heat. During these seasons they become increasingly dangerous for males, as packs of two to three will swarm a male of a race that has the necessary equipment of the proper size to mate with them. It's more a case of rape than slavery, and it fits better with their profile. Also, in relation to fantasy races, you have to be careful here - I've read about one in particular where the male had an ovipositor in the form of a penis and the female was the one generating the sperm; there could be races like that in Felarya whereupon harpies would have to know which types could provide sperm. Back to slavery, another issue comes up if their slaves aren't even capable of flight; what is the harpy supposed to do with them the majority of the time? Not to mention that you have to care for it and ensure it doesn't escape.... lot of work when the alternative is so much simpler.

Ahahaha, Harpy rape train. Mildly amusing if not painful thought, but I would want to hear the conversation the harpies have before they "attack". In harpy language of course. Would be an amusing scene for sure.

I'm gonna go on record and say that this is one topic I don't really want to talk about. I mean, sure, I guess some would be forceful, but I don't like this being a norm due to unfortunate implications like sex slavery or rape.

Given the reptuation of harpies, I think quite a few species would generally decline, getting the impression it'd be a painful experience, or not even care because they'd think said harpy would drag the person off anyway.

Keep in mind that harpies are also sentient beings. Under normal circumstances an animal would enter a period of heat, mate, reproduce, then wait for the next cycle, but as intelligent creatures we have to assume they form attachments just like humans (they just express love differently xD). I think if they want to mate with a male, they'd be a little more permanent in their decision, at least past seasonal.

Sex slave could be as simple as an abduction, we don't know what might happen after their "partner" is taken to live with them. A harpy abducts someone, then just keeps them around near their nest in the tree canopies.

I don't know how Dryads reproduce either, I'll just go with what Cliff said. Same goes for slug girls, im no expert on herms.

I don't think it's something we should have in stories unless it's neccessary for plot development.

I, however, love aethernavale's idea that Harpies could enter a period of heat and seek mates. Actually, I'd love to see this apply to all predators since they are still beast hybrids and would balance out their sapience and instincts. And now it's time for a mental imagery: Yandere Harpy in heat.

Another thing I wanted to mention, the fact that we have giantesses but no giants still miffs me. I could see them mating with the giant Harpies as well.

And just to reiterate, I don't mind Harpies having their way with a human, if possible. I actually think that's pretty funny.

gt500x wrote:

Another thing I wanted to mention, the fact that we have giantesses but no giants still miffs me. I could see them mating with the giant Harpies as well.

And just to reiterate, I don't mind Harpies having their way with a human, if possible. I actually think that's pretty funny.

There are Giants. They just don't get a lot of attention. All giant races, besides Harpies, Slug-girls and Dryads, have males. Males are more common than stories let on. They just don't get used a lot for some reason.

I figured harpies were similar to amazon mollies.

For those that don't know, there are no natural male amazon mollies, and instead the females mate with the males of other molly species. The genes of the male only very rarely enter the egg, and there are cases of an extremely rare triploid male being born, though they are unnecessary for reproduction...

This of course could raise the potential of a male harpy being born due to genetic error, though they wouldn't be necessary for further procreation.

I see no reason to assume harpies systematically coerce their potential mates. As has been said, I'm sure that in general they find willing males. After all, they've been reproducing for countless generations; other species have presumably worked out something of an arrangement with them.

In some cases, it would be a single encounter, while in others I imagine the harpy might develop feelings for the father of her children, and even start a family of sorts. There's potential for some very interesting character relations there.

As for dryads... They've always been a mystery. Whatever way you look at it, there are puzzles. Dryads have human female genitalia, which suggests either sexual reproduction or live birth, or both. And they have breasts (with tits), which they presumably use for breastfeeding their young. Yet... Well, it seems odd.

The gang (or flock) rape (or forced intercourse) idea is funnier. But I can see them finding willing mates.

Of course it might be odd when you're considering it, but I imagine once you start humping its probably not so bad (;P)

You also forgit that they lay eggs (atlest i think they do) so one mateing could lead to 4 to 12 eggs depending on the breed.

or the number of times they have sex before giving birth, sort of like a cat litter.

Random Tangent: I still wonder if Nekos/Inus give birth in litters.

dragonjaj wrote:

You also forgit that they lay eggs (atlest i think they do) so one mateing could lead to 4 to 12 eggs depending on the breed.

Its probably closer to 1 or 2. Preds, for the most part, don't have massive amounts of kids.

rcs619 wrote:

dragonjaj wrote:

You also forgit that they lay eggs (atlest i think they do) so one mateing could lead to 4 to 12 eggs depending on the breed.

Its probably closer to 1 or 2. Preds, for the most part, don't have massive amounts of kids.

But I thought you said that few predators made it to maturity, so wouldn't they lay more than one or two eggs?