Luke112's Mac character and Negav's armed forces.

Jasconius wrote:

luke112 wrote:: (in regaurds to Police response)
But they are still Human, and Humans always make Mistakes. Not to mention that Murphys Law may Ouccor as what the old saying went No Plan survivies contact with the enemy.

First off, not everyone in Negav is human; second, just because you can have mistakes doesn't mean you aren't prepared for them; and third, that applies to your "Militia" as well, and are you saying the Militia are the enemy of Negav now?

And Luke, you do realize just how widely diverse the defenses of Negav are, do you? They have various advanced weaponry on the wall that could tear apart any army or giant pred, they have psionics that don't rely on magic and can control/destroy ones mind easily, mages belonging to various kinds of magic capable of wielding vast magical powers, the magiocrats themselves, and various police forces who possess advanced technology and who train for every scenario: even if some does go wrong, they're prepared to fix it

And this doesn't include the other factions who wouldn't exactly be pleased by some person/group entering the city and cause a massive loss of life by recklessly killing police and civilians. They either don't want anything major going down that could blow their cover, or want any of their kind killed during the event. These include the Nemesis' (who can just look at you, mark you, and then devour you in your sleep), dusk nymphs (fairy/darkness elemental hybrids that can move through shadows), etc...

Overall, anyone who attacks Negav is likely to be attacked by everyone within the city.

Ok broham now your just pissing me off, Mac did not Kill those people for no reason, he was denfending himself because they wanted the advance systems he had carried, His Armor, His 200 cal, The Medium Fusion Grenades He carried and Most Imoportantly they Wanted the Information Mac has on his person and inside his mind that if they were to get a hold of the consencences would be unparrel
( Like a Teir 1 National Security Breach on how A countrys Defenses are made up of, how they advance weapons are made, or their Tactics and Other sensetive Data, Honestly if you were someone who had that Kind of Info, Would you Let some Power Hungry Sons of Bitches Get that Data? NO you wouldnt, You would try to Make sure that Data is Extracted Out of their hands and Keept Safe, but You couldnt kill your self because then they could recover the Gear you Have and Reverse Engineer it for their Own Pourposes.)

luke112 wrote:: Ok broham now your just pissing me off, Mac did not Kill those people for no reason, he was denfending himself because they wanted the advance systems he had carried, His Armor, His 200 cal, The Medium Fusion Grenades He carried and Most Imoportantly they Wanted the Information Mac has on his person and inside his mind that if they were to get a hold of the consencences would be unparrel
( Like a Teir 1 National Security Breach on how A countrys Defenses are made up of, how they advance weapons are made, or their Tactics and Other sensetive Data, Honestly if you were someone who had that Kind of Info, Would you Let some Power Hungry Sons of Bitches Get that Data? NO you wouldnt, You would try to Make sure that Data is Extracted Out of their hands and Keept Safe, but You couldnt kill your self because then they could recover the Gear you Have and Reverse Engineer it for their Own Pourposes.)

Ok, calm down. Right now answer me this question; who in Negav would care about Mac's homeworld? The Magiocrats? No they already control Negav and a big chunk of the Ascarlin that flows through it. The Vishmitals? Possible, they did have an Empire afterall, but those in Negav are mianly diplomats who are wanting a cut of that Ascarlin trade the Magiocrats control; Ascarlin afterall is one or if not the most valuable substance in the multiverse. If I remember correctly your story is set in 2020AU, the Vishmitals still have their base in the Great Rocky Fields thus access to their own military technology and equipment, they are also caught up in a minor war for the Investigator's own MSD forces. I really can't see them going after Mac either.

Then there is the MSD, that this point in time they are Negav's main police force, they are a branch of the Investigators who in turn follow their orders from the Magiocrats. You also have the Isolon Fists who again follow their orders form the Magiocrats, both the Fists and MSD have ranks of battle mages. The only way they would go after him is if Mac presents himself as a threat, and I don't think he is that stupid if he is a trained soldier.

Any group outside of those mentioned that would go after him would most likely have ambitions which would run foul with either the Magiocrats or the Vishmitals and would be delt with by the Security forces; your entire scenario makes no sense and has no backing with what has been established concerning the situation in Negav.

Yes the MSD are overkill for a police force, that is why the Magiocrats ordered them to be disspanded and created the multi ethnic Negav Police, but that wasn't untill 2046 AU.

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Cauldron your right, It was the Vishtamals, If i remeber Correctly they would use any means possable to restore their empire. Just a week before the Incident, Mac went outside of the city to demonstrate the power of the 2.00 cal to the Vishtamals to answer some of the Inquries they had about it, Then after seeing the Power of the Rifle they began to plot and then One week Later they sent a small speacilized Unit of Platoon strenght to enter the city, Caputure or Kill Mac and Pocco and then retrive the Gear The both of them had( they tried to assiante Mac with a Sniper) to take back to their Base and Make the leap that would all but assure they return to empire, but there was Just one Problem, Went the first sniper tried to Take the shot, The Moon light Reflected off his Scope and alreated Mac to The Attempt. ( both Mac and Pocco were haveing dinner at the Time) after that The rest of the Vishtamals Tried to storm the two but of course The Vishtamals Blineded by Glory forgot to Realize That they were dealing with a Vetran Super Soldier, The Resulting Fire fight between the two ( mac had Keept his Weapons In varrious Compartment of his Appartment) , Knowing that Pocco was the More vuneralbe of the two, Mac told pocco to try to discretely get out of the city while he Drew their attention. The Rest they say is History.

Last edited by Jasconius on Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:03 pm; edited 1 time in total

Yep. Mac killed numerous civilians and police officers with families, leading to him and the Militia being hated by all of Negav. And since Vishmitalian technology is more advanced than Militia technology, Mac's lie about the reason for why he was attacked (Wanting his rifle? Really? Who would ever believe that?) was soon found out, thus discrediting him.

That aside, we're getting off topic.

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Quote :: Cauldron your right, It was the Vishtamals, If i remeber Correctly they would use any means possable to restore their empire. Just a week before the Incident, Mac went outside of the city to demonstrate the power of the 200 cal to the Vishtamals to answer some of the Inquries they had about it, Then after seeing the Power of the Rifle they began to plot and then One week Later they sent a small speacilized Unit of Platoon strenght to enter the city, Caputure or Kill Mac and Pocco and then retrive the Gear The both of them had

...Umm...the Vishmitals have massive wall-mounted cannons that are larger that some warship guns. They have advanced technology left over from their old empire. Their abandoned base still has robotic sentries actively roaming around. Why would a race that has that kind of technology care about one guy and his rifle? A rifle that would be useless as anything but a vehicle-mounted gun to a regular human. It just doesn't make sense, no matter how you look at it.

Also...the Vishmitals wouldn't be sending a fully armed, platoon-sized military unit into the city. That would probably spark off a very bad diplomatic situation with the Magiocrats. 50 heavily armed soldiers roaming around in full combat gear isn't exactly discreet.

Not to mention the fact that a single soldier, super or not, taking on 50:1 odds and defeating the other side without any effort or serious danger just doesn't seem reasonable.

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luke112 wrote:: Ok broham now your just pissing me off

That was uncalled for, Luke. You got an honest answer, which is, I hope, what you were looking for.

luke112 wrote:: Mac did not Kill those people for no reason

The reason wasn't called into question here, Luke, and you're the one who brought Mac into this.

luke112 wrote:: he was denfending himself because they wanted the advance systems he had carried, His Armor, His 200 cal, The Medium Fusion Grenades He carried and Most Imoportantly they Wanted the Information Mac has on his person and inside his mind that if they were to get a hold of the consencences would be unparrel

That doesn't matter- you didn't ask if it was right or not. You asked whether it could happen or not. Nobody sees it happening, Luke- that's your answer.

luke112 wrote:: ( Like a Teir 1 National Security Breach on how A countrys Defenses are made up of, how they advance weapons are made, or their Tactics and Other sensetive Data, Honestly if you were someone who had that Kind of Info, Would you Let some Power Hungry Sons of Bitches Get that Data? NO you wouldnt, You would try to Make sure that Data is Extracted Out of their hands and Keept Safe, but You couldnt kill your self because then they could recover the Gear you Have and Reverse Engineer it for their Own Pourposes.)

This is not relevant.

luke112 wrote:: Cauldron your right, It was the Vishtamals, If i remeber Correctly they would use any means possable to restore their empire. Just a week before the Incident, Mac went outside of the city to demonstrate the power of the 200 cal to the Vishtamals to answer some of the Inquries they had about it, Then after seeing the Power of the Rifle they began to plot and then One week Later they sent a small speacilized Unit of Platoon strenght to enter the city, Caputure or Kill Mac and Pocco and then retrive the Gear The both of them had( they tried to assiante Mac with a Sniper) to take back to their Base and Make the leap that would all but assure they return to empire, but there was Just one Problem, Went the first sniper tried to Take the shot, The Moon light Reflected off his Scope and alreated Mac to The Attempt. ( both Mac and Pocco were haveing dinner at the Time) after that The rest of the Vishtamals Tried to storm the two but of course The Vishtamals Blineded by Glory forgot to Realize That they were dealing with a Vetran Super Soldier, The Resulting Fire fight between the two ( mac had Keept his Weapons In varrious Compartment of his Appartment) , Knowing that Pocco was the More vuneralbe of the two, Mac told pocco to try to discretely get out of the city while he Drew their attention. The Rest they say is History.

This is NOT relevant here. Keep it to yourself until you write it.

Build more mettle, Luke. I can't have you do this every time you get an answer you don't like.

luke112 wrote:: Ok broham now your just pissing me off, Mac did not Kill those people for no reason, he was denfending himself because they wanted the advance systems he had carried, His Armor, His 200 cal, The Medium Fusion Grenades He carried and Most Imoportantly they Wanted the Information Mac has on his person and inside his mind that if they were to get a hold of the consencences would be unparrel

Wait... what?!?!

You seem to be missing the all important "decimal point" when it comes to determining the caliber of small arms.

Caliber is the approximate diameter of a firearm's barrel in inches or millimeters, and the abbreviation of "cal" is used for those measured in inches.
Thus, a "Point Five Oh" or "Fifty" cal weapon has a barrel, and normally uses ammunition, that is a half inch in diameter.

So... Mac "rifle" would come in one of four diameters:

.200 cal, which would make it slight smaller then the ".22 cal" small bore rifle.

2.00 cal, which would mean the barrel is two inches across, and probably more of a light artillery piece then a small arm, but it would at least be within the willing suspension of disbelief.

20.0 cal, which would make it four inches wider then the sixteen inch guns on an Iowa Class Battleship.

And finally, 200. cal, which would mean that it fired rounds the size of a damn semi-tractor!

Really luke, I've heard you're not good with scale, but for FRACK SAKE, if you are going to write military fiction, at least have the courtesy of doing a wiki search or two.

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I was going to say it in the story but what ever, Mac did not ecsape the city unscathed, he had truma,Burn, Bullet,Shrapenly and Stab Injuries Inflicted upon him during the escape, He had to have 59 Bullets Removed from his body and required 342 stiches, He had Bones Broken and Dislocated, in a sense he was pretty Messed up, upon leaving the city, Mac had Pocco perform Emergancy surgery on him to treat the Massive Injuries or at the very least stablized him so that the Healing Factor of Felarya could Help him Heal his wounds. He nearly Passed out from Blood lost, He had torn 20 Muscels and ripped 5 tendons,

The defenses, well since Pocco Had gone ahead of Mac to secure a exit( Pocco is al speed demon and a Inflitriator) Well when a Ninja Sneaks Up behind You, do you hear him before he slits your throat?(both statement and actual question for the Thread). Pocco Killed some of the Turret Gunners( last time i checked The Turrets were Manned) and When he helped Mac Climb of the city walls( grapple gun Anyone?) they sliped away with the cover of Night and something to distract them from looking for the two ( still thinking about that, Any Ideas?) till they got Just 100 meters into the Jungle then Pocco Performed emergancy Surgery( Pocco is a Feild surgen and before you ask, Yes Endorians are Trianed to have Master at Least 3 skill Sets due to the unpredicatablity of the Endorian Battle Feild) On Mac and Just Barely Managed to save his Pals life

There now i gave away Major Spoliers, Hope your happy if not :shrug: then i dont know what to do then,

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Split from here, because it was off-topic for the Q&A thread.

With all those injuries (even if he did have emergency surgery, though likely without a proper medkit giving the situation), Mac should be crippled. Felarya may have a healing factor, but it's not a miracle worker.

So apparently Pocco is a "Speed Demon/Infiltrator/Ninja/Soldier/Field Medic"? Isn't that all a bit much? Also wouldn't it be a bit hard for him to sneak around given his size and heavy build?

So why did Pocco just kill the men and women, manning the wall defenses, who were just doing their job to protect Negav from giant preds and other threats? They had families and those who cared for them, and they weren't even attacking Mac or Pocco, or even know that there was a situation involving them going on. This is just going to make Pocco look bad, and those members of said families are going to cry out for justice and demand his head.

The only problem with the grapple hook is that giving Mac's weight, very few things would be hold it. Even if it could, climbing up the rope would be extremely difficult, if not impossible, given all his injuries. Also, even if he typically carries heavy armor, its a rather different situation should he be trying to pull himself up while wearing it.

Finally, what exactly does "Master at least 3 skill Sets" even mean?

Jasconius wrote:: With all those injuries (even if he did have emergency surgery, though likely without a proper medkit giving the situation), Mac should be crippled. Felarya may have a healing factor, but it's not a miracle worker.

So apparently Pocco is a "Speed Demon/Infiltrator/Ninja/Soldier/Field Medic"? Isn't that all a bit much? Also wouldn't it be a bit hard for him to sneak around given his size and heavy build?

So why did Pocco just kill the men and women, manning the wall defenses, who were just doing their job to protect Negav from giant preds and other threats? They had families and those who cared for them, and they weren't even attacking Mac or Pocco, or even know that there was a situation involving them going on. This is just going to make Pocco look bad, and those members of said families are going to cry out for justice and demand his head.

The only problem with the grapple hook is that giving Mac's weight, very few things would be hold it. Even if it could, climbing up the rope would be extremely difficult, if not impossible, given all his injuries. Also, even if he typically carries heavy armor, its a rather different situation should he be trying to pull himself up while wearing it.

Finally, what exactly does "Master at least 3 skill Sets" even mean?

Maybe you're overthinking this. Maybe it's in character. Maybe he's just a dick who likes murdering civilians.

Also I've been reminded by Buddha and such that the walls of Negav are about 300 feet high... how exactly did Pocco and Mac climb them again?

Jasconius wrote:: Also I've been reminded by Buddha and such that the walls of Negav are about 300 feet high... how exactly did Pocco and Mac climb them again?

Why are you looking for sense and logic here?

I'm going back to my original post, maybe I wasn't clear enough. As far as I can see it the Vishmitals would have NO CLEAR OR LOGICAL REASON to go after Mac. They don't, they have their own weapons, hell they still have their own military complex. I'm sorry but to them a 50mm rifle is just a vehicle mounted cannon, hardly something they would want to steal.

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Well Luke to avoid filling you RP with this I am bringing this thread back up. For those of you who don't know what I am discussing open the spoiler below

Spoiler:

Well after some more calculations I have determined the force of impact your character would experience (again I was generous and gave the largest deceleration I could). Mac would have experienced 31,800 newtons of force upon impact. This is is more than enough to turn anythings organs into past and bones into dust. He would die period. This is actual science with actual formulas, I have already maximized Mac's wind resistance by using the smallest weight I could find and maximize his surface area by calculating him in the shape of a rectangle. I have given him more than a generous deceleration on impact and the numbers still say he is dead. I don't care what kind of armor he is wearing upon stopping all his internal shall rapidly shift crushing each other and causing massive internal bleeding and all his bones would be crushed. Whatever material his armor was made out of would have easily crumbled upon impact further harming him by sending sharp metal into his body as it crumbled into him. Nothing I repeat nothing could have possibly survived. Mac is simply to heavy to experience anywhere near enough air resistance to possibly survive impact end of story.

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Are you guys seriously discussing an OC having Mary-Sue Level power?

And how did I miss this thread? Could someone catch me up to speed? Reading every post only served to confuse things more.