The Gender Issue

Rythmear wrote:

No No No! You're all wrong *Waves fist dramatically* There are a lot more women than men because WOMEN ARE MORE FUN TO LOOK AT NAKED!

I mean, if you all want to look at loads of giant male Naga's then go right ahead and draw them but would you rather Karbo draw Crisis or some random dude? The men are there - they just aren't mentioned. Just like us with good politians.

Thank you, Rythmear. That's the main reason dead on. I whole-heartedly agree, and couldn't have put it in better words myself.

Someone get ths guy a pint of ale! On me.

I add just one thing the reason why you don't see male predator is not because they are rare or females become males etc... it just because the view we have of the world is not a general and objective sight of the land itself or hide a part of reality because we give more importance to female characters that's all.

Maybe we could just simply say it like in the anime "Girls Bravo" that the male population, like Miharu's home planet Siren, is less then 10%! Or maybe less. But I don't see why the males shouldn't exist. And they could be considerably different from the female counterparts. For example, sure they'd be nude like the females, but they simple don't have to be drawn with their "junk" shown if you know what I mean. And then men can be more deadly when it comes to the vore thing whereas females tend to make it look elegant in a way. I don't know. That's just what I'm thinking. Maybe the males could be other species rather then snakes. Who knows.

BOOBS ARE MORE AERODYNAMIC!!!

that was exceedingly random...

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BOOBS ARE MORE AERODYNAMIC!!!

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They most certainly are not!

ErictheCartoonist wrote:

Maybe we could just simply say it like in the anime "Girls Bravo" that the male population, like Miharu's home planet Siren, is less then 10%! Or maybe less. But I don't see why the males shouldn't exist. And they could be considerably different from the female counterparts. For example, sure they'd be nude like the females, but they simple don't have to be drawn with their "junk" shown if you know what I mean. And then men can be more deadly when it comes to the vore thing whereas females tend to make it look elegant in a way. I don't know. That's just what I'm thinking. Maybe the males could be other species rather then snakes. Who knows.

It's a very interesting suggestions

GREGOLE wrote:

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BOOBS ARE MORE AERODYNAMIC!!!

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They most certainly are not!

I know... That was just a thought I had.

gwadahunter2222 wrote:

ErictheCartoonist wrote:

Maybe we could just simply say it like in the anime "Girls Bravo" that the male population, like Miharu's home planet Siren, is less then 10%! Or maybe less. But I don't see why the males shouldn't exist. And they could be considerably different from the female counterparts. For example, sure they'd be nude like the females, but they simple don't have to be drawn with their "junk" shown if you know what I mean. And then men can be more deadly when it comes to the vore thing whereas females tend to make it look elegant in a way. I don't know. That's just what I'm thinking. Maybe the males could be other species rather then snakes. Who knows.

It's a very interesting suggestions

Sounds even best ... on Felarya male are naturally rare ...

i still dont see what the issue is, I mean, if i watch lesbian porn, and the scene is of an airplane and everyone in it engages in hardcore sapphic sex, Am i to assume that no males exist in that world? surely there would be a male or two in the plane right? there are most likely plenty of males and we dont need some kind of canonical theory to explain their absense in our artwork stories etc, Gender ratio will always vary from species to species and as long as its a species that produces like we do, there will always be surges of either population, just like fliping a coin, you arent going to get 12121212, youll get 1112122122221222111212212122222112.

if you guys want to force felarya into some kind of touhou clone in your stories go ahead,

but it really seems silly to go through all this trouble, And i'd hate to have to start reading at least 100 disclaimers on the stories telling everyone how this version of felerya is just a little different for X plot device.

lami wrote:

i still dont see what the issue is, I mean, if i watch lesbian porn, and the scene is of an airplane and everyone in it engages in hardcore sapphic sex, Am i to assume that no males exist in that world?

Which is exactly what I was trying to say. Just because you don't see them doesn't mean they aren't there.

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i still dont see what the issue is, I mean, if i watch lesbian porn, and the scene is of an airplane and everyone in it engages in hardcore sapphic sex, Am i to assume that no males exist in that world? surely there would be a male or two in the plane right? there are most likely plenty of males and we dont need some kind of canonical theory to explain their absense in our artwork stories etc, Gender ratio will always vary from species to species and as long as its a species that produces like we do, there will always be surges of either population, just like fliping a coin, you arent going to get 12121212, youll get 1112122122221222111212212122222112.

if you guys want to force felarya into some kind of touhou clone in your stories go ahead,

but it really seems silly to go through all this trouble, And i'd hate to have to start reading at least 100 disclaimers on the stories telling everyone how this version of felerya is just a little different for X plot device.

Because the Felarya universe isn't a porno film. Such things are but one facet of the franchise. It's a genuine fantasy world, and it NEEDS a sense of logic.

GREGOLE wrote:

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BOOBS ARE MORE AERODYNAMIC!!!

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They most certainly are not!

How can you be so sure? I mean, Crisis is an incredible hunter. They may help her.

(also helps trap males)

GREGOLE wrote:

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i still dont see what the issue is, I mean, if i watch lesbian porn, and the scene is of an airplane and everyone in it engages in hardcore sapphic sex, Am i to assume that no males exist in that world? surely there would be a male or two in the plane right? there are most likely plenty of males and we dont need some kind of canonical theory to explain their absense in our artwork stories etc, Gender ratio will always vary from species to species and as long as its a species that produces like we do, there will always be surges of either population, just like fliping a coin, you arent going to get 12121212, youll get 1112122122221222111212212122222112.

if you guys want to force felarya into some kind of touhou clone in your stories go ahead,

but it really seems silly to go through all this trouble, And i'd hate to have to start reading at least 100 disclaimers on the stories telling everyone how this version of felerya is just a little different for X plot device.

Because the Felarya universe isn't a porno film. Such things are but one facet of the franchise. It's a genuine fantasy world, and it NEEDS a sense of logic.

I understand you GREGOLE but you have to admit Lami is right. It's not because you don't see males predator in picture or story about Felarya they don't exist.

The verity you want to apply in this world could not work for the entire species and it risks to close many opportunities in the future developpment of characters and races. If in your story or in your art you don't want to see male predators is YOUR choice, if someone wants to create a male character and did male vore (even personaly I agree with Karbo about male vore ) it's the CHOICE you have free to say you don't like that but you can not blame him/her or did harsh comments about that. Like in all disclaimer "if you don't like it. Don't read it." I think it's clear.

I agree the world need a sort of sense of logic but the need do not become YOUR NEED OF LOGIC . You can have suggestions and ideas but you must admit people can be disagree with you and not try to force your ideas to pass by insisting. A world is rich because people don't see it in the same ways don't forget it

I think this topic was very instructive and showed the problem about the male predator but now it's going to become about an endless argument.

I thank you for creating this thread it helped me a lot it gives me some idea about the developpment of futures characters.

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I understand you GREGOLE but you have to admit Lami is right. It's not because you don't see males predator in picture or story about Felarya they don't exist.

The verity you want to apply in this world could not work for the entire species and it risks to close many opportunities in the future developpment of characters and races. If in your story or in your art you don't want to see male predators is YOUR choice, if someone wants to create a male character and did male vore (even personaly I agree with Karbo about male vore ) it's the CHOICE you have free to say you don't like that but you can not blame him/her or did harsh comments about that. Like in all disclaimer "if you don't like it. Don't read it." I think it's clear.

I never denied the existance of Felaryan males, but regardless of whether or not I did, various other stories have approached the rarity of male species in Felarya. Preference for women or no, you've got to admit that females are very much established as more common than males in the universe. If it's like that, then there has to be a reason for it.
We know males exist, because that too has been established, but there's simply no way it can be denied that they're rarer than females. This thread is meant to determine why they're so much rarer.

GREGOLE wrote:

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I understand you GREGOLE but you have to admit Lami is right. It's not because you don't see males predator in picture or story about Felarya they don't exist.

The verity you want to apply in this world could not work for the entire species and it risks to close many opportunities in the future developpment of characters and races. If in your story or in your art you don't want to see male predators is YOUR choice, if someone wants to create a male character and did male vore (even personaly I agree with Karbo about male vore ) it's the CHOICE you have free to say you don't like that but you can not blame him/her or did harsh comments about that. Like in all disclaimer "if you don't like it. Don't read it." I think it's clear.

I never denied the existance of Felaryan males, but regardless of whether or not I did, various other stories have approached the rarity of male species in Felarya. Preference for women or no, you've got to admit that females are very much established as more common than males in the universe. If it's like that, then there has to be a reason for it.
We know males exist, because that too has been established, but there's simply no way it can be denied that they're rarer than females. This thread is meant to determine why they're so much rarer.

When somebody into male vore enters the site, I guarantee you'll see more males.

Until then, the ladies will often get the spotlight.

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When somebody into male vore enters the site, I guarantee you'll see more males.

Until then, the ladies will often get the spotlight.

It doesn't change the fact that - for whatever reason - males are rarer in Felarya than females. It's been rubbed in too many times for it to be just a matter of one getting more coverage.

Pendragon wrote:

GREGOLE wrote:

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I understand you GREGOLE but you have to admit Lami is right. It's not because you don't see males predator in picture or story about Felarya they don't exist.

The verity you want to apply in this world could not work for the entire species and it risks to close many opportunities in the future developpment of characters and races. If in your story or in your art you don't want to see male predators is YOUR choice, if someone wants to create a male character and did male vore (even personaly I agree with Karbo about male vore ) it's the CHOICE you have free to say you don't like that but you can not blame him/her or did harsh comments about that. Like in all disclaimer "if you don't like it. Don't read it." I think it's clear.

I never denied the existance of Felaryan males, but regardless of whether or not I did, various other stories have approached the rarity of male species in Felarya. Preference for women or no, you've got to admit that females are very much established as more common than males in the universe. If it's like that, then there has to be a reason for it.
We know males exist, because that too has been established, but there's simply no way it can be denied that they're rarer than females. This thread is meant to determine why they're so much rarer.

When somebody into male vore enters the site, I guarantee you'll see more males.

Until then, the ladies will often get the spotlight.

Thank you Pendragon

In the universe male are not rare it just because the stories don't focuse on them it's the choice the author did when they created their story, there is no need to find a logic to make them non-existant too or rare.

To GREGOLE: I think you make quick conclusion about things and said it's a verity. When Felarya was created the universe focused more around the female characters as Crisis, Anna etc...

As the world started to grow many possibilities were created, as I said male characters can be developped but as the preference to his creator about vore. We tend to create female character and minimize male characters. Male predator exists but contrary to female character the vore is very optionnal when you deal with them.

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In the universe male are not rare it just because the stories don't focuse on them it's the choice the author did when they created their story, there is no need to find a logic to make them non-existant too or rare.

Again, a boatload of the stories already establishes that males are rare.
Besides that, it's ludicrous to assume that with all that's already been done, males are just as, or almost as common as females. We'd have seen a little of them before now.

Ultimately, though, it's Karbo's choice, of course. But he doesn't seem to object to the theories proposed.

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Now in official facts, I'd say there is clearly fewer males than females but they do exist ( Ask Vivian ! ).. they are just not very represented. Well that's how I see it but I am aware that's not a very satisfactory explanation ^_^;

^ Note he states that males are apparently rarer. If they are, there's a reason for it. And this thread's purpose is simply to find that reason.

GREGOLE wrote:

^ Note he states that males are apparently rarer. If they are, there's a reason for it. And this thread's purpose is simply to find that reason.

Or maybe he didn't think about the world he thinks it was not really important, or to let a freedom to the authors to developp their story how they want.
I can tell clearly what he wants to say but don't use the quote of someone else to say you're right.

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Or maybe he didn't think about that and think it was not really important, or to let a freedom to the authors to developp their story how they want.

This is getting nowhere FAST.
I vote we sit and wait for his input.

GREGOLE wrote:

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Or maybe he didn't think about that and think it was not really important, or to let a freedom to the authors to developp their story how they want.

This is getting nowhere FAST.
I vote we sit and wait for his input.

I agree. his input would clear all this up, because it is his world.

I just hope I'm using the term his correctly.

Males are not as common as females. However, they are still plentiful in Felarya.

Why do you think Females are so popular here? Crisis was like a pioneering naga. She's what got me into this world.

Then followed Anna, Vivian, and a whole female cast. Because not too many male preds were made, they never became popular.

If Karbo's main character, for example, was Chris the naga, we'd have an overabundance of males.

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Males are not as common as females. However, they are still plentiful in Felarya.

No one ever said anything to the contrary.

Please remain calm...
In such arguments the one to have the last word is often not the smartest but rather the most stubborn.. which is not really a quality ^^;

ok here Gregole have a point : There is less males indeed. At first I thought I could just avoid the problem by saying "oh yes there is as many males as females, you just don't see them in my drawing" but that clearly don't cut it in the end.

But for me this thread is like the cosmology thread and others interesting discussion : they are very helpful to me and make me think a lot , but they are meant to discuss, not to impose a view.
Felarya is still very sketchy, with many questions on its nature, and its purpose for the future and thus nothing is really engraved in iron. That's why I don't believe there is right or wrong points of view or answers to a question.. in a world like Felarya that is dimmensonnaly unstable and filled wih magic, there should be a lot of room when debating theories

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Please remain calm...
In such arguments the one to have the last word is often not the smartest but rather the most stubborn.. which is not really a quality ^^;

I'm sorry if I came off as rude. That wasn't the intent. The intent was just to explain my point of view.

Besides this point, every race has its own male/female ratio. I've stated that my race won't have a large number of males, but what about other races? I see fairies with a number of males as large as females, but it's like this: they aren't featured, but they do exist.

Maybe there aren't as many males as females in some races, but I also have to agree with Karbo about Felarya being still a bit sketchy, so we need to work on it either with new locations, races or characters. We can discuss ideas, but not arguing for nothing.