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Reptillian Master cartographer
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| Subject: avatar, the movie. Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:49 am | |
| i just watched avatar yesterday and it was epic. totally worth seeing.
but it did remind me alot of felarya, to be honest T_T' | |
| | | Malahite Cog in the Machine
Posts : 2433 Join date : 2007-12-11 Location : Old World
| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:49 am | |
| From what I've heard from reviewers and those who've seen it live:
Pros: + Visuals are amazing. + Sound effects, if recycled from Jurassic Park at times, were still decent + "Immersive" World
Cons: + Two-dimensional plot + One-dimensional villain + The noble savage stuff is laid on you, hard | |
| | | rcs619 Felarya cartographer
Posts : 1589 Join date : 2008-04-07 Age : 36
| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:17 am | |
| - Malahite wrote:
- From what I've heard from reviewers and those who've seen it live:
Pros: + Visuals are amazing. + Sound effects, if recycled from Jurassic Park at times, were still decent + "Immersive" World
Cons: + Two-dimensional plot + One-dimensional villain + The noble savage stuff is laid on you, hard To be fair, the execution of the movie more than makes up for the cons. It puts its own spin on an old sub-genre of the adventure story, and does it really well. I loved the cast, especially Sigourney Weaver as the grumpy, serious lead scientist. | |
| | | Pendragon Grand Mecha Enthusiast
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| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:07 pm | |
| I didn't see it, but I'm a bit unsure about whether I should see it.
It seems like yet another "robots and machines are evil, nature is good, donate to Peta blah blah blah" hippie movies.
And if any of you know me, I hate those plots. ._. | |
| | | Reptillian Master cartographer
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| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:18 pm | |
| - Pendragon wrote:
- I didn't see it, but I'm a bit unsure about whether I should see it.
It seems like yet another "robots and machines are evil, nature is good, donate to Peta blah blah blah" hippie movies.
And if any of you know me, I hate those plots. ._. i would relate it more to something like an army trying to conquer Felarya for profit... you wouldn't want that to happen, now would you? | |
| | | Prof.Nekko Seasoned adventurer
Posts : 156 Join date : 2009-01-30
| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:46 pm | |
| I'm still hung up on the unobtainium thing... Seriously? You couldn't think of a better name? | |
| | | Pendragon Grand Mecha Enthusiast
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| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:21 pm | |
| - Reptillian wrote:
- Pendragon wrote:
- I didn't see it, but I'm a bit unsure about whether I should see it.
It seems like yet another "robots and machines are evil, nature is good, donate to Peta blah blah blah" hippie movies.
And if any of you know me, I hate those plots. ._. i would relate it more to something like an army trying to conquer Felarya for profit... you wouldn't want that to happen, now would you? Well, I wouldn't want that to happen, but the movie doesn't seem like that to me. :/ Kinda wish they could make another plot that didn't feel like this one. | |
| | | Malahite Cog in the Machine
Posts : 2433 Join date : 2007-12-11 Location : Old World
| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:31 pm | |
| - Pendragon wrote:
- It seems like yet another "robots and machines are evil, nature is good, donate to Peta blah blah blah" hippie movies.
And if any of you know me, I hate those plots. ._. Oh, it's that plot. It lays the Noble Savage bit on you hard. It also declines to mention in the movie that the thing the humans want is what allows FTL communication, near-FTL travel, and works as a room-temperature super-conductor. Basically, it's an item that if it appeared on Earth would have scientists clawing over their dead comrades to get their hands on a sample of it. | |
| | | ZionAtriedes Loremaster
Posts : 2010 Join date : 2008-01-13 Age : 32 Location : Behind you. No, above! Oh, too late, I already got you. NINJA SKILLZ!
| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:33 pm | |
| - Reptillian wrote:
- Pendragon wrote:
- I didn't see it, but I'm a bit unsure about whether I should see it.
It seems like yet another "robots and machines are evil, nature is good, donate to Peta blah blah blah" hippie movies.
And if any of you know me, I hate those plots. ._. i would relate it more to something like an army trying to conquer Felarya for profit... you wouldn't want that to happen, now would you? No, no, of course not, of course not... *shifty glances* Who would want the Elder Race of Man to finally conquer the one world that continually belittles it and for the Elder Race to finally bring the Light of Civilization to the heartless jungles...? I definitely don't want that. (Awesomeness points for anyone who can figure out where I gleaned "Elder Race of Man" from!) Yeah, the CG looked awesome, but it seemed to be one of those "humans are evil and we kill things and stuffs" things. Screw that shit. I love how the proponents of that attitude also support paying for jobless and lazy scum that serve only to leech resources from our society. But then they proclaim they love evolutionary theory and venerate Darwin. Ha! As if they knew what Darwinism was! I mean, honestly... believe whatever you will, I won't fault anyone for that (except Scientologists and Pastafarians, not to be confused with Rastafarians), but get your damn facts straight. | |
| | | Archmage_Bael Mara's snack
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| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:30 pm | |
| i thought the floating mountains were pretty cool. and an idea similar to that of what i had already... those "banshee" rainbow dragon things were pretty cool as well, and the battle at the end was great because the execution of the movie actually had you rooting for the na'vi (zelda fan anyone?) i highly recommend this movie | |
| | | Pendragon Grand Mecha Enthusiast
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| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:15 pm | |
| - Archmage_Bael wrote:
- i thought the floating mountains were pretty cool. and an idea similar to that of what i had already...
those "banshee" rainbow dragon things were pretty cool as well, and the battle at the end was great because the execution of the movie actually had you rooting for the na'vi (zelda fan anyone?)
i highly recommend this movie Well, normally I would root for them, but the movie was so intent on making humans look like assholes that they had the entire planet just come up and kill the humans. :/ Really, having the whole planet attack the humans was just a supreme asspull. Might as well have god come down and smite all the mechs and say "you're wrong, now go die." Again, the CG looks impressive, but the plot is paper thin. | |
| | | Archmage_Bael Mara's snack
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| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:34 pm | |
| actually, the fight was pretty even.
but yeah, they made the humans seem like assholes, and racist too. that i thought was messed up. then again apparently they were actually mercenaries, not the actual army. | |
| | | rcs619 Felarya cartographer
Posts : 1589 Join date : 2008-04-07 Age : 36
| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:07 pm | |
| - Archmage_Bael wrote:
- actually, the fight was pretty even.
but yeah, they made the humans seem like assholes, and racist too. that i thought was messed up. then again apparently they were actually mercenaries, not the actual army. Mercenaries working for a huge, soulless corporation. | |
| | | Archmage_Bael Mara's snack
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| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:30 pm | |
| indeed.
i think they could have done better with the name "unobtainium" though :? | |
| | | rcs619 Felarya cartographer
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| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:26 pm | |
| - Archmage_Bael wrote:
- indeed.
i think they could have done better with the name "unobtainium" though :? Look at where they gotta go to get that rock. Including "unobtainable" in the name makes sense to me. Pandora certainly isn't a nice place. | |
| | | Archmage_Bael Mara's snack
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| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:37 pm | |
| yeah, i agree with you, it is very difficult to obtain. but couldn't they at least find a synonym, mix around the letters and then put the letters "ium" on the end? i mean it sounds like they didn't even try. but im not gonna criticize 10 years of work, it doesn't change the fact that it's still a brilliant movie | |
| | | Malahite Cog in the Machine
Posts : 2433 Join date : 2007-12-11 Location : Old World
| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:06 am | |
| I think some of you missed the joke in the material's name. | |
| | | ZionAtriedes Loremaster
Posts : 2010 Join date : 2008-01-13 Age : 32 Location : Behind you. No, above! Oh, too late, I already got you. NINJA SKILLZ!
| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:16 pm | |
| *raises hand* I caught it.
Ohh, so now it's all about soulless corporations, too! I smell an agenda here. Anyone else? Then again, if that show on ABC, "V", can have such an obvious agenda with an the opposing spin... | |
| | | Jætte_Troll Friend of the Jotun
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| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:33 am | |
| I very much enjoyed the first two-thirds or so of it. It was an enjoyable and interesting piece of science-fiction, with cool concepts. However, I felt the ending was rather flat and tried to ram "humans and corporations are all evil" down your throat. This was made more apparent by the fact the movie had the most boring villains I have ever seen. They seem to have little motivation or explanation for their characters, besides the stereotypes thrust onto them. If there had been some way to connect with them, it would have given the movie more meaning. On another note, I very much enjoyed Sigourney Weaver's performance as the head scientist. I found her a far more interesting character than the main hero, though he had his moments. Though, the ending had more than a few problems for me, as mentioned. - Spoiler:
Do they really think that kicking the humans off the planet will achieve ANYTHING? This is humans we are talking about. It's more than likely that the whole planet gets nuked a few months later out of revenge.
It mentioned that Earth was dying. What if humanity absolutely needed the unobtanium? Did he just fuck over the whole human race to protect one tribe? It seemed pretty damn valuable. Only the most stereotypically evil businessman would do it for the cash, at least in the manner they did.
Was war really necessary? He killed tons of soldiers who were only there because it was their job. It's not their fault they were led by walking insane military stereotype man. Like, geez, why not just leak something to the press weeks earlier? That always raises a shitstorm that will put pressure on them. Sigourney Weaver was at least trying to find a better solution.
The rhino-create stampede was such a ridiculous deus ex machina.
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| | | Malahite Cog in the Machine
Posts : 2433 Join date : 2007-12-11 Location : Old World
| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:39 am | |
| - Jætte_Troll wrote:
- Spoiler:
It mentioned that Earth was dying. What if humanity absolutely needed the unobtanium? Did he just fuck over the whole human race to protect one tribe? It seemed pretty damn valuable. Only the most stereotypically evil businessman would do it for the cash, at least in the manner they did.
To quote what has been said elsewhere: - Spoiler:
he sad thing is, if not for the over-the-top he forces upon you, this movie would have a VERY big instance of moral grey. The wasteland of Earth? It's over-populated by about 20 billion people. The ruined ecosystem? Because nuclear plants were spat out all over the place to deal with energy demands, with predictable hollywood results.
How could this be turned moral grey? Unobtanium fixes ALL OF IT, at least partially / slightly. It allows near-FTL travel, meaning humans can get off the rock and colonize other planets in other star systems. It allows FTL communication, meaning policing and supply management is a possibility (allowing more people to be transported off-earth). Lastly, it's a room temperature super-conductor meaning less energy required (more efficient transfer), and less energy saturation. The less energy required means less nuclear plants, which means less nuclear run-off. Less nuclear plants due to the super-conductors and less nuclear plants due to evacuating people. Heck, let us assume that only 1% of the population is viable for evacuation in the next 50 years, or 5 journeys from Earth to Pandora to Earth again. That's still 200,000,000, or THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF BRAZIL that is removed from the planet. Hell, assuming an equal population / nuclear plant ratio, that's still roughly 175 nuclear power plants offline just from the evacuation. Assuming a simple 10% efficiency increase from a ROOM TEMPERATURE SUPER CONDUCTOR, and again a population / nuclear plant ratio similar to france, that's a further 1740 nuclear power plants shut down. In other words, giving "just" 1% of Earth's population relocated to off-world colonies and "just" a 10% efficiency increase in nuclear plants from a room temperature super conductor, a little under 2000(!) nuclear power plants would be shut down, with an average of at least 47500 tonnes of nuclear waste no longer produced YEARLY.
Unobtanium is a material that, if it appeared on Earth right now, would have scientists brutally murdering and climbing over their dead comrades to get their hands on a sample. Read the above spoilers to see all the good it could do. And you know what? Cameron finds a way to turn the search for that by a desperate humanity into "Humans are evil mustache twirlers, we're going to kill us some Blue Injuns and get rich at the same time!" | |
| | | AisuKaiko Keeper of Flat Chests
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| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:22 am | |
| Ah, Avatar, I loved the special effects, really fun. However, some things bugged me. -When I heard 'Unobtainium', I physically facepalmed... Just knowing what the term means in the real world, hearing it used as the name of the material bothers me. The Core is guilty too, but at least they made it clear there that it was a nickname for a metal with an especially tedious name (Not saying this isn't the case with material in Avatar). -The air isn't breathable, so there mustn't be a usable supply of oxygen... yet fire burns just it does on Earth. Perhaps there's just a poison in the air, or I missed a line explaining it. -It's really a stock plot. - Spoiler:
Person part of Faction A is made to join Faction B to learn about them, Person likes Faction B better, Faction A attacks, Person confesses, Faction B hates him, Person proves his loyalty and leads Faction B to victory, and all is well, The End.
Also a very obvious environmental overtone. At times, it felt like Ferngully with guns. -The villians must've been the biggest, most politically incorrect assholes on Earth. Don't know about this time of this movie, but nowadays, calling a less-advanced race 'savages' would be extremely bad press. <badpoliticaljokethatisnottobetakenforsrs>Must've been funded by a Republican president.</badpoliticaljokethatisnottobetakenforsrs> But anyway, the CGI makes up for the rather weak story. I'd watch it again! | |
| | | FalconJudge Hero
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| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:07 am | |
| So would you suggest it to a sci-fi fan? | |
| | | AisuKaiko Keeper of Flat Chests
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| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:44 pm | |
| I would, especially special-effect nerds. Anyone looking for a deep and unique story may be put off though. | |
| | | ZionAtriedes Loremaster
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| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:32 pm | |
| So I probably shouldn't watch it. Even if I do love CG.
Sorry, but it's just this sort of uneducated and childish political agenda that pisses me off. But I suppose I shouldn't let it get to me. Idiots will be idiots, and will continue to whine and stare at their thumbs while they are blind to the overall picture. | |
| | | rcs619 Felarya cartographer
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| Subject: Re: avatar, the movie. Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:29 pm | |
| - ZionAtriedes wrote:
- So I probably shouldn't watch it. Even if I do love CG.
Sorry, but it's just this sort of uneducated and childish political agenda that pisses me off. But I suppose I shouldn't let it get to me. Idiots will be idiots, and will continue to whine and stare at their thumbs while they are blind to the overall picture. I honestly don't think the political agenda was THAT bad. Don't go and slaughter/oppress native peoples to get what you want. I think that's something we can all agree on. =P | |
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