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PostSubject: About Nemesises   Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:47 am

Split from the Q&A thread

That's hard to answer. Nemesises vary obviously because of the neck but their bodies is relatively similar to that of a human in size, although a bit taller and slightly more elongated.
Demi-Chimeras vary too, not surprisingly seeing their varied appearances.
As for Scorpisai, they tend to be a giant species, although smaller specimens exist but even them are bigger than humans in general.


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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:58 am

So I guess it would be around neko size, or I guess maybe 7 or so ft tall. Still with Nemesises, since their neck can extend to very long length, is it safe to assume that their throat is somewhat stretchy like a snake? After all, it would need to be quite articulated to twist and turn.
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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:49 am

oh yes very much so ^^
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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:30 am

Last about Nemesises. So far the only known way they can eat a human whole and alive is by dream-eating it, which teleports the body in the Nemesis' stomach, which pretty much confirms that their stomach is also very elastic. Assuming that most are near 7 feet tall given their elongated limbs and neck, since their throats can swallow large meals like a snake, what about their mouth? Can they open their mouth wide enough to fit something like an entire apple or orange?
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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:37 pm

I like the idea of dream eating from nemesis, but I can't help but think it's a little whacky for a 7 ft tall humanoid to somehow have a normal 5-6 ft tall person in their stomach.

First there's positioning, unless the person is put into a super neat ball in the stomach they are going to be really obstructive.

Then there's possible damages. I mean nemesis have stretchy necks and skin but are ALL their bones made of rubber? It seems a meal roughly the same size as you could really cause some damage.

Then there's time for digestion. I mean for a creature of that size to digest a meal of that size, bones and everything, it's going to take a long long long long long time. I don't see anything about nemesis having super superior stomach acids.

I always figured it would be a much easier believe if the victim was shrunk as well......hell if you are already using "dream teleporting".
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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:27 pm

Given that they can sleep eat again and again and again, with no more than a day's waiting time, I'd say it would be safe to assume their stomach is either amazing compared to all other stomachs (unlikely, Crisis is too nice to say fuck off though), they shrink their prey (infringes on fairies, generally not allowed), or more likely - they engage in some form of soul vore.

The eating that occurs in the dream state is 'real' enough for the victim, as the result will be that they are 'consumed' by the Nemesis. The actual physical process is probably more akin to energy transfer than the normal thought process on 'ingestion & digestion' though.

Since they attack on the dream-scape, they probably can contrive some form of physical matter-to-energy transference (no, no science here unless it is babbletalk... I just wouldn't even go there) based on the thought process of 'the body cannot live without the mind' so when they 'dream-eat' the body likely just vanishes from where it is. Matter transferred to some sort of energy that is sucked through the dream-plane with the mind as it is consumed.

Maybe it even vanishes in some sort of shadow swirl/vortex, a sort of calling card for those who witness it happen (they wouldn't know anything is wrong probably until the 'eating' has already occurred and by then it is probably too late). As such, Nemesis probably don't even need mouths that are capable of stretching or the like. Granted, my stance on this is biased to not be expansionist - I have no care for gross body expansion or distortion as a result of vore and I freely admit to that.

I pretty much draw the line at imagining how my OC Euna would eat a human or neko... anything more 'expansionist' than that is either 'meh' or 'ugh' to me.


However, as to your question from earlier Sean, some humans are already capable of such feats. For instance, there is a rather (in)famous example of the 'world's largest mouth' where the person in question can place a soda can sideways into said mouth.
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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:35 pm

I see. Well feats like those among humans are out of the ordinary, so I was wondering if a feat like that is ordinary among Nemesises. Also, I doubt that humans and such are the staple of most Nemesis' diet, though since Karbo confirmed that some predators would choose a human prey if the opportunity is given (which to me is a matter of personality, like someone picking a candy bar if it had the choice between it or a steak), there are probably some Nemesises who would prefer eating a human over a pork chop.
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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:41 pm

Talking about Nemesises I would like to ask something now.
Is there a way to defend yourself, or arm a Nemesis inside of a dream? or once it got you there is nothing you can do?
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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:59 pm

Vaderaz wrote:
Talking about Nemesises I would like to ask something now.
Is there a way to defend yourself, or arm a Nemesis inside of a dream? or once it got you there is nothing you can do?

Given that they attack on the dream-realm, most people probably aren't equipped to battle them. You'd have to be capable of lucid dreaming yourself to stand a chance, and even then you must remember that this is something they are instinctively prepared for. Even if you could arm yourself, it probably wouldn't lead to an outcome you'd prefer.


Although, their profile entry in the wiki states they generally show up in multiple dreams. It seems that this is a requirement as they have to be within a certain physical distance of you to perform the 'final' act. When dreaming their 'target' reveals its location so the Nemesis can track you. However, it also seems that this talent of theirs is based on sight - they have to see you initially to 'mark you'.

So there are at least a few ways I could see of challenging them.

One is to just live with the dreams and constantly move about so that while they are tracking you they cannot ever catch up to you. Difficult at best, especially given the sleep you're going to be losing in the process. Probably not a method that will result in a successful or happy conclusion.

Second; their process seems to be at least somewhat magically oriented - a trinket of appropriate power or precision (say from Subeta's stores) might be enough to protect you from their glance, thus preventing you from ever being 'marked'.

Lastly, I'd go back to the 'lucid dreamer' status. Being able to effectively and efficiently control your dreams might make you capable of fighting them in the dream-scape. If you were capable of that, you might catch them by surprise. I wonder if you could kill them though, since you're not fighting on their dream-scape but your own. Who knows? You could probably reject them though.

If you did it enough times/well enough once (a particularly strong mind?), perhaps they would leave you alone or respect you enough to engage in a different challenge on your life. The first if they were simply after a quick meal, and the latter if you were marked for assassination. Given their talent with a bow though, you might not enjoy their other challenges any better.
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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:03 pm

Couple more nemesis questions....

Can a nemesis remove a mark they have placed? Or is it a "once it's done it's done" thing.

Can a nemesis put a "Friendly mark" on a friend to keep track of them? Maybe a mark that gives the marked target good dreams but still updates the nemesis of their whereabouts.

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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:27 pm

Hmm.. I think the mark might be a voluntary thing. If they wont' want to maintain it, they don't.

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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:38 am

-How close do a Nemesis has to be of the target?
I was thinking a way that if several people were involved , they could just take rounds and protect one another.

-Isn't possible to wake up while the nemesis trackes you? I mean, nightmares tend to wake you up in the middle of the night, and sometimes you can even force the wake when you realise it's a dream. So how does it work? Do they block it in a way you can't wake up on your own? Is it possible to be waken up by an external way?
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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:24 pm

I want to think of it as this:

The closer the nemesis is to you, they greater control they have over your dreams. I figure once they are in range to truly dream eat you they are so in control that once you fall asleep the only way you are waking up is at their leisure and probably in their stomach.

Of course that is pure conjecture.


On to a cool idea I had. I think it would be neat if a group of nemesis could working together on the same mark could put a victim in a state worse than being dream eaten, that is, once they are all in range they could lock the marked target in a state of perpetual and endless nightmare, from which they never wake up until their bodies starve and wither. Such a thing would only be done to those who had committed atrocious acts: aka think of it like the ritual they did to imhotep in the mummy: it's so bad it's almost forbidden.

But maybe that's just me being evil and wanting something wicked........ and the wicked part is if you apply the "Inception" laws of dreaming what would be a couple days could turn into several lifetimes of nightmares in the dream world.
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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:00 pm

the way I see it is that the proximity = danger rule is true for both ends of the spectrum. Meaning if the Nemesis is close enough to her prey to kill it for real, then if the hunted person manages to go lucid and slay the Nemesis in the dream at kill range, then she can be killed for real as well. Kind of like a double edged sword. But that's just my idea
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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:34 pm

Hmm, a weird question just crossed my mind. Can fairies shrink/expand themselves and cast size-altering magic on numerous targets around them simultaneously? Or any combination of those, basically can they do 2 things at once? For example, can a fairy shrink, say, 3 people at once?

Because, in stories I've recently read, it's common that a lone fairy would attack whole groups of humans while she's human-sized herself. Hell, even ambush 3 people while relatively small. If she can't do the aforementioned actions, i.e. use her magic in the way I described, that seems like quite the stupid thing for the fey to do, in my eyes. Yes, she can always fly up to safety, enlarge herself and come back down, but doesn't that take away from the whole "ambush" idea? Barring her ability to fly, I believe that if a fairy were to jump a group of 3 humans, human-sized as often seen in stories, she'd be done for given fast that that particular 3 person party has fast enough reflexes. Even if she could fly, fast reaction time is not to be underestimated. In a world where you've gotta be cunning to survive, I don't find taking such risks practical.

Everything I've just said would of course be meaningless if she can perform what's mentioned in paragraph 1.

Thanks in advance for your replies ^_^
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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:53 pm

Shadeofheave wrote:
Hmm, a weird question just crossed my mind. Can fairies shrink/expand themselves and cast size-altering magic on numerous targets around them simultaneously? Or any combination of those, basically can they do 2 things at once? For example, can a fairy shrink, say, 3 people at once?

Because, in stories I've recently read, it's common that a lone fairy would attack whole groups of humans while she's human-sized herself. Hell, even ambush 3 people while relatively small. If she can't do the aforementioned actions, i.e. use her magic in the way I described, that seems like quite the stupid thing for the fey to do, in my eyes. Yes, she can always fly up to safety, enlarge herself and come back down, but doesn't that take away from the whole "ambush" idea? Barring her ability to fly, I believe that if a fairy were to jump a group of 3 humans, human-sized as often seen in stories, she'd be done for given fast that that particular 3 person party has fast enough reflexes. Even if she could fly, fast reaction time is not to be underestimated. In a world where you've gotta be cunning to survive, I don't find taking such risks practical.

Everything I've just said would of course be meaningless if she can perform what's mentioned in paragraph 1.

Thanks in advance for your replies ^_^

Read the entries on Mist fairies... particularly about the strength of their magic in their region. Felarya offers magical users specific benefits that some denizens are well at turning to their favor; and even despite magic the environment of Felarya itself offers any who can learn its peculiarities advantages that can give one the advantage over their prey... or their opponent.

In particular answer, I'd say it depends on the fairy. I'd say most of them possess a borderline ability talent of x, and many have advanced it to y by always using it. A few have mastered a particular art to level z, such as how Kaede can do her 'army of fairies' illusion. Also do not negate the effects disorientation have upon you when encountering a fairy surprise attack. Most stories focus moreso on the unprepared than the prepared - unlike in the Cigarettes and Fairies story where those who are prepared show their ability to overcome several fairies.
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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Sun Jun 12, 2011 1:46 pm

Would a true tiny taste any different to a neko than a shrunken human?

For instance, if a a neko in the wild found a human who took a dip in the shrinking pool, would they be able to tell the difference?


Would they care even if the knew? Or are shrunken humans just as tasty to them?
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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Sun Jun 12, 2011 1:53 pm

Grave wrote:
Would a true tiny taste any different to a neko than a shrunken human?

For instance, if a a neko in the wild found a human who took a dip in the shrinking pool, would they be able to tell the difference?


Would they care even if the knew? Or are shrunken humans just as tasty to them?

Follow up question... what is so damn tasty about tinies and humans in the first place? Do predators just have a liking for it or is it something more biological such as extremely sensitive taste receptors that allow them to taste things we humans simply can't.

I don't know about Graves' question, but mine might be answerable only by Karbo.
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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:49 pm

i think its the latter.
Question: can someone be sent into felarya but into the past( Besides the dessert) and cause a temporl paradox? if so who makes sure that a casading event dosent occur
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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:48 am

If one where to take there point of origen as a point in meserment,as in 1. our location in space-time, 2. this universe (cosmos), 3. the multiverse, 4. the metaverse, 5. the xenoverse, 6. the omniverse.

Where would be Felarya in that hierarchy?




(This is not the lenght of the post I was origanly going to do, I got burned out and I now have a hatered for any word ending in the letter "s".)

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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Mon Jun 13, 2011 1:00 am

Black hole fragment, I am curious as to why you need to know that.

Anyway, your question does not make sense. Felarya is a universe, therefore it is located in the same location as our universe, except on a different "branch." (Using the tree analogy here)
It's possible that Felarya is the only universe on its branch.
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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:06 am

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Question: can someone be sent into felarya but into the past( Besides the dessert) and cause a temporl paradox? if so who makes sure that a casading event dosent occur

Not that I'm aware of. Time travel in the Felarya universe is generally considered impossible (to avoid the problem and head-aches caused by it).

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If one where to take there point of origen as a point in meserment,as in 1. our location in space-time, 2. this universe (cosmos), 3. the multiverse, 4. the metaverse, 5. the xenoverse, 6. the omniverse.

Where would be Felarya in that hierarchy?

That depends. AJ's answer is one option. If you take the view that the universes are all giant bubbles floating in...something. Then Felarya is its own tiny bubble floating between them. Its a pocket-dimension. A small (by universal standards), self-contained dimensional plane, similar to a universe in some ways, but following its own set of rules.
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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:25 am

Black Hole Fragment wrote:
If one where to take there point of origen as a point in meserment,as in 1. our location in space-time, 2. this universe (cosmos), 3. the multiverse, 4. the metaverse, 5. the xenoverse, 6. the omniverse.

Where would be Felarya in that hierarchy?




(This is not the lenght of the post I was origanly going to do, I got burned out and I now have a hatered for any word ending in the letter "s".)

*Side note: If you dont get what the hell I'm asking, just look at this.
Well to use their tree analogy, I'd say that Felarya is a spiderweb stretched out somewhere in the space between the branches of the Metaverse or the Xenoverse, with individual anchoring threads connected to various leaves.
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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:56 pm

I don't know if I should put this question in the "Tinies and Giants" sub-forum or not; if any mods feel it should be feel free to move it.

I was wondering if the minor race nomenclature "giants" exclude elves, nekos, or even inus. Or does it encompass all giant humanoids?

In other words, can I discuss giant inus or giant pig people in the Tinies and Giants sub-forum?
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PostSubject: Re: About Nemesises   Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:25 pm

Ok about nemesises :

Aether's take on them is quite right. They are not supposed to have a monstruous belly after they have eaten. The prey is pretty much reduced in the process.

They do have stretchy mouth and throats that would allow them to swallow pretty large objects though, but we are speaking about something roughly the size of an apple here.

Nemesises can remove the mark they put on a person at will. They could also mark a friend to keep track of them. If they want the marked person to have nightmares, it's up to them.

Now on battling them in the dream. Theoricaly it's *possible* but it would require a mastery over dream that very few beings possess. And the closer she is, the more difficult it becomes. Waking up from the nightmare when she is about to dream-eat you would be extremely difficult as well, unless the nemesis allow you to do so.

A Nemesis can't dream-eat several targets in the same time. they must focus on one, although they can provide nightmares for several at once. Lastly, a Nemesis cannot use the mark of another Nemesis. She must have posed it herself.


Lot of interesting questions here. Thank you, that will allow more fleshing up ot their entry ^^


gt500x : The sub-forum is meant primarily for giants in the "human" sense. but I guess if you have a post that wouldn't fit on the other sub-forums you could put it here.
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