What is the best tactical and strategic offense against...

/Fish/ wrote:

TheQuantumMechanic wrote:

Don't you remember the very first rule of the Death Note?

A human whose name is written in this note shall die.

On Felarya, the only things a Death Note would be good for is helping you kill other humans, committing suicide by writing your own name in it to avoid death by being eaten and digested, and keeping you from going to Hell and being eaten by Menyssan in the afterlife.

So that's why that Death Note I switched with Katrika's diary didn't do anything...



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What?

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Great plan, it's just the technicalities that tripped you up.

dlausactor6373 wrote:

I think the term "human" as used in the Death Note would apply to any being classified as a humanoid. Almost all of the creatures in Felarya can be classified as humanoids. Even being only part human could classify you as a humanoid.

A "human" is a "humanoid", but a "humanoid" is not a "human". This is not just a matter of me being picky; the way a Death Note works is a textbook example of Rule-based magic. Light spent a good part of the series figuring out exactly what its limitations were and making sure he understood the rules by which it operated, all of which were specific and literal.

Do you really think that an object bound by rules that go so far as to specify the following exactly: "If the cause of death is written within 40 seconds of writing the subject's name, it will happen.", "If the cause of death is not specified, the subject will simply die of a heart attack.", and "After writing the cause of death, the details of the death should be written in the next 6 minutes and 40 seconds." would say "human" if it really meant "living being", or "vaguely human shaped creature"?

Sorry, it's just not internally consistent. In the context of the series, a Death Note is a book that a Shinigami uses to write down human names and take their lives. That is what a Death Note is. In the context of the series, a Shinigami is a being that takes human life to extend its own lifespan. That is what a Shinigami is. In this case, it's pretty obvious that a Death Note will work on a predator... if that predator is human. A naga is not "a human", so writing its name in a Death Note is simply irrelevant under typical circumstances.

Now, if you have a Death Note and a Polymorph Other spell... In D&D, Polymorph Other actually changes the nature/type of a creature to that of the creature you polymorph it into. In this case, you can make a Naga become a Human, and subject to the rules of a Death Note.

Edit: Besides, think about it. Shinigami are humanoid, and they can die. If "a human" in this case meant "a humanoid", Light would not have had to go to the lengths he did to set up Rem and remove her from the picture. He could've just written her name down in the Death Note and been rid of her.

I came in late on a starcraft conversation T_T oh well what i would like to see would be a predator eating an infested Terran now that would be funny...of course it would taste horrible

I'm only going to say this once. Lay one negative finger on Crisis or ANY of the others, and I will personally destroy you.

Rythmear wrote:

I'm only going to say this once. Lay one negative finger on Crisis or ANY of the others, and I will personally destroy you.

I suppose that another Predator might do the trick. Divine Dragon, anyone?

Raveolution wrote:

What about Kane and the Brotherhood of NOD? He would lay down the smackage. He has a knack for reverse engineering things and could probably incorporate magic into his arsenal. He'd learn secrets about Felarya fairly quick, plus he's EXTREMELY expansionistic, which would put him at risk for you-know-what. He'd subvert the Miratans by offering food to their starving people. Before long the Miratans will have a Brotherhood of NOD outbreak in their own ranks by the time they even KNOW about Kane. "All your base are belong to Kane!" And what he didn't conquer, he would foul up with Tiberium.

I shit you not, Kane would upgrade the Delurans' weapons and absolutely hammer the Nagas down. He would want the Delurans to join his cause and he would find out in a hurry how to manipulate them, and the Delurans are just BEGGING to be manipulated. On Felarya it's all about bodies that he can put into his war machines.

Kane's worst problem is the Naxylan Dridders. He's gonna drink lots of Hate-rade when they come calling. Then he's going to be their worst problem. EVER.

Meanwhile, GDI would follow Kane, butt heads with the Miratans, and get totally friggin crushed.

I like how you think, brother. But we must not let those roaming cultists learn of our operations lest a higher power interfere with Kane's plans. We should first observe how would tiberium interact in this world.

By the way, I always hear how Storm Sprites always pwn anything electronic. I suggest having some sort of non-metallic armor capable of insulating electrically, or an electromagnetic field generator capable of repelling foreign electrical interference or something like that. Although I realize that communications channels may leave an opening...

Rythmear wrote:

I'm only going to say this once. Lay one negative finger on Crisis or ANY of the others, and I will personally destroy you.

This a warning not to state what could harm them (Lookie, A Shiva Nuke!), or to not turn this into a negative comment thread?

Malahite wrote:

(Lookie, A Shiva Nuke!)

Ooooohhh, Halo reference!

Guys, I'm gonna stick with the explosive weaponry. Ain't never done me wrong before.

ZionAtriedes wrote:

Malahite wrote:

(Lookie, A Shiva Nuke!)

Ooooohhh, Halo reference!

Guys, I'm gonna stick with the explosive weaponry. Ain't never done me wrong before.

Explosives work fine in most situations (it's usually only a matter of how big a boom you need). At least, until you encounter a creature that can't be harmed by physical (ie, non-magical means). A plain ole bomb just isn't going to cut it there, regardless of the yield.

TheQuantumMechanic wrote:

A plain ole bomb just isn't going to cut it there, regardless of the yield.

That's why you bless the bomb.

Malahite wrote:

TheQuantumMechanic wrote:

A plain ole bomb just isn't going to cut it there, regardless of the yield.

That's why you bless the bomb.

Yeah, I know. (Really need a "thumbs up" emoticon). I just like pointing things like that out so people start thinking about the workarounds. Like the "Death Note + Polymorph Other" solution I pointed out to the dilemma of a Death Note not being able to kill a Naga. I've seen people come up with some really creative solutions that I would have never thought of on my own, to what seem like impossible problems.

"Okay, men. We've identified a high-priority target. All we have are RPGs and plenty of bodies to deliver them. Unfortunately, said target is a particular sort of demon, and RPGs won't do squat to it. I need solutions, what do you got for me?"

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"Anybody? Anybody at all? Yes, Simmons?"

"Well, sir... why don't we, uh, just bless the RPG round?"

"... That will never work. You can't bless an explosion."

"No, but you can bless the casing, which will shatter when the round explodes, and turn into shrapnel. Blessed shrapnel."

"... I like the way you think, Simmons."

Heh.

Blessed Canister Shot. Got to love it.

For biological things, the Bioshock Plasmids would be a wonderful thing for Felaryan demihumans... if not for the insanity it usually causes. Winter Blast can drain well over 40mJ of energy from someone (And could very easily freeze a Predator's brain and kill them), the Inferno power ranges up to orangish-yellow flames can can apparently melt car-sized areas of ice instantaneously (It could very likely immolate whole limbs of a Predator), the Electrobolt apparently fires 1000 Volts when used (Which, depending on how it's fired, may be enough to overload any nervous functions), etc.

The Target Dummy would also be hilarious to watch in use for some things. Faerie wanders over to mess with the panicky human... and finds out it's only a 'hologram' right before it suddenly is turned into a popsicle. Mermaid swims upstream to snatch the Neko... and has the water around it suddenly charged with enough energy to power a house.

The reason I don't suggest these for Felaryan Predators is the fact that many of these are not really worth use for them (Other than TK, as I could see a Predator lifting precise humans from a group to snatch and eat). Many Predators do not prefer to eat cooked / dead prey, freezing a human leaves them with something that if improperly eaten could bring harm to them (And, again, is a dead prey), etc. The Insect Swarm might be scary, though, for any Predator attempting to attack a Faerie. Can one imagine how large a nest (And how big the insects) that could fit in something like a fully grown Dryads arm (And, with the lack of need for many organs, majority of the body)?

Though I digress, Bioshock Plasmids would play merry hell with Felaryan Predators.

Malahite wrote:

Blessed Canister Shot. Got to love it.

Malahite wrote:

For biological things, the Bioshock Plasmids would be a wonderful thing for Felaryan demihumans...

Going off on a tangent for a moment; I know it is an utter shame, but I still haven't played Bioshock. I've heard how awesome it is in many respects (the game system, the storyline, the universe itself from a worldbuilding perspective), and my system can handle it just fine, and I want to play it. But it'll have to wait until I can afford to buy another harddrive to replace the 500 gigger that died as soon as the warranty was up. I mostly use my computer for work, and I just don't have the disk space to spare for a game at the moment, no matter how awesome it is.

Getting back on point, Plasmids seem like they would work beautifully. Even the ones that might not be enough to directly harm a predator could have some fantastic uses; in the natural cycle of Predation, all defenses come down to a matter of deterrence. You don't have to necessarily kill something if you can distract, impede, or stall it long enough to escape.

Even if that Inferno Plasmid isn't enough to severely injure a Predator, setting its hair on fire might do a damn fine job of keeping it occupied while you move that way at a high rate of speed.

Edit: Although, that begs the question of what effect Felarya's environment might eventually have on Plasmids. If they grow stronger or mutate, it could create certain... issues. Say, if they become self-sustaining and sentient. Might not be too bad if they're friendly; but if they decide they don't like you, or even worse, they decide they should be the boss of you...

Yeah, could be a problem.

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I'm only going to say this once. Lay one negative finger on Crisis or ANY of the others, and I will personally destroy you.

Aaaaaaaawwwwwwwwhhhh, now I got to!

I wonder if a Guyver could stand up to a typical pred...

GREGOLE wrote:

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I'm only going to say this once. Lay one negative finger on Crisis or ANY of the others, and I will personally destroy you.

Aaaaaaaawwwwwwwwhhhh, now I got to!

I wonder if a Guyver could stand up to a typical pred...

I believe so. Most primary heroes from any given Tokusatsu show would be able to, and Biobooster Armor Guyver is basically a Toku-themed manga/anime. Heck, I think any Guyver would be able to take on the average predator without breaking a sweat, and probably give more powerful ones a run for their money... and that's not even taking into account the Guyver Gigantic or Exceed transformations.

Also, most Lost Numbers and Hyper Zoanoids would be on par with or exceed the average predator in terms of power, and guys like Aptom and the Zoalords have a power level of "Way the hell higher than yours" compared to all but the most powerful predators. Archanfel singlehandedly stopped a meteor the size of Mars from destroying the Earth with the power of his mind. Sure, it took him a while to recover afterwards, but, seriously.

TheQuantumMechanic wrote:

"... I like the way you think, Simmons."

Does the commander in question happen to be a Sergeant in a particular Red Army?

ZionAtriedes wrote:

TheQuantumMechanic wrote:

"... I like the way you think, Simmons."

Does the commander in question happen to be a Sergeant in a particular Red Army?

Considering the lack of criticism involving the circumventing of another Red Army soldier's death, I'd assume not.

ZionAtriedes wrote:

Does the commander in question happen to be a Sergeant in a particular Red Army?

Malahite wrote:

Considering the lack of criticism involving the circumventing of another Red Army soldier's death, I'd assume not.

I was wondering if anyone was going to make that connection.

Malahite wrote:

ZionAtriedes wrote:

TheQuantumMechanic wrote:

"... I like the way you think, Simmons."

Does the commander in question happen to be a Sergeant in a particular Red Army?

Considering the lack of criticism involving the circumventing of another Red Army soldier's death, I'd assume not.

True, true. If it was more like "I like the way you think, Simmons. Grif, make a distraction while we carry out Simmons's plan." Then a mixed reply of "Fuckberries!" and "Great idea, sir.", then it'd be obvious.

The QuantumMechanic wrote:

I was wondering if anyone was going to make that connection.

RVB FTW!

Some Deus Ex biomods would be hilarious on Felarya, especially if they read magic the same as technological attacks. For example, 200m Aggressive Defensive System. Faerie readies the most powerful fireball it can, prepares to throw it at the humanoid... and has it blow up in its own face.

Malahite wrote:

Some Deus Ex biomods would be hilarious on Felarya, especially if they read magic the same as technological attacks. For example, 200m Aggressive Defensive System. Faerie readies the most powerful fireball it can, prepares to throw it at the humanoid... and has it blow up in its own face.

Other Deus Ex biomods with the potential to drive Predators nuts:

Microfibral Muscle (Maxed): "That... that human just picked me up and threw me!"
Combat Strength (Maxed): "... Um, did that guy just floor a Naga with one punch?"
Environmental Resistance: "Hurry up and digest already, damn you!"
Regeneration (Maxed): "This hurts like hell, but I can keep it up until you. Spit. Me. Out!"
Cloaking: "Come on, even with flaws, invisibility can always be useful."
Radar Transparency: "That's weird, I could've sworn I sensed a human right around here..."
Vision Enhancement (Maxed): "Yeah, sure. We could go set up camp under that tree. Only it isn't really a tree."

Tons of potential here, assuming they interact with magic similarly to the way they interact with technology.

Have the Burning Gundam go in and kick some butt!

To counter the Storm Sprites, you use an infantry - armor combination. The infantry provides protection for the armor and the armor protects the infantry.

Topics merged.

observer88 wrote:

I like how you think, brother. But we must not let those roaming cultists learn of our operations lest a higher power interfere with Kane's plans. We should first observe how would tiberium interact in this world.

LOL ain't that the truth.

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By the way, I always hear how Storm Sprites always pwn anything electronic. I suggest having some sort of non-metallic armor capable of insulating electrically, or an electromagnetic field generator capable of repelling foreign electrical interference or something like that. Although I realize that communications channels may leave an opening...

Set up the communications lines with lossless data mode. As soon as a storm sprite enters the line, convert it to LOSSY mode. Storm sprite re-emerges all garbled up. But you have to be fast - s/he probably moves at relativistic speed. Use a lot of ohm (resistance)-generators and repeaters (boosters) to slow him/her down.

Either that or bait her to come out in storm mode, right into water...

Storm Sprites also work horribly against most Steam Punk realms.