Size inconsistency

As you are aware, there has been a change of size among certain creatures and characters.
I have been changing them here and there but I'm pretty sure I have missed many of them, as Sean pointed recently with succubi and angels. So please use this thread if you see a measure that seem out-dated to you ^^

Nothing to say, but I have a quick question and a suggestion.

The characters that have yet to be scaled up; Are we waiting on the approval of the owner, or have we just not gotten to them? If the former, what about characters of people who haven't shown up in the community, like Fish?

But my suggestion: Put a little marker on the pages of characters like Scala and Monty who haven't been updated with their new scale. Something to tell us that it isn't there true size at the moment; nothing too major ^^;

The Leviathan Gutlord might need an increase in length since its host has grown considerably larger. Another possibility include the Gorudan Behemoth.

I wish we could find a general proportion, like default size change is +33% of old height or something.

AisuKaiko wrote:

Nothing to say, but I have a quick question and a suggestion.

The characters that have yet to be scaled up; Are we waiting on the approval of the owner, or have we just not gotten to them? If the former, what about characters of people who haven't shown up in the community, like Fish?
But my suggestion: Put a little marker on the pages of characters like Scala and Monty who haven't been updated with their new scale. Something to tell us that it isn't there true size at the moment; nothing too major ^^;

Well I think in the case of people that are not contactable any more, we can make the changes, it's not that of a huge deal I think.

Ohh, I completely forgot about this! I believe Mina's length is rather out of date, though unfortunately mermaids are among the more difficult creatures to estimate accurately. However, with some quick math based on Anko's original size, I discovered she was scaled up about 65%, so applying that same percentage to Mina results in her being 165 feet long. I'd shave that down to say... 160, since she's not supposed to be all that big (for a giant).

Just for the record, I am terrible at both math and the the venerable science of accurately scaling up aquatic giantesses, so if that number is way off, anyone more knowledgeable should feel extremely free to let me know. I'd far rather be corrected and then just plain wrong.

Alright I made the change XD

Mhh Anko was scaled up more than others characters to reflect that she is really supposed to be a big bad mermaid, intimidating by just her size ^^

Well mermaids have it harder nagas when it comes to measure their "height", since they're almost never standing upright like a cobra when it's about to strike. In general, I don't have guidelines for mermaid length unlike nagas, in which I usually go as 1:3, or 1:4 in case they're based on constrictor snakes like Katrika is.

Also, while we're bringing up Anko, River Mermaids should be scaled up a bit more, since I'm sure that a "human sized" mermaid, on average, is longer from tail to head than a human from head to toe. At least for me.

Karbo wrote:

Alright I made the change XD

Mhh Anko was scaled up more than others characters to reflect that she is really supposed to be a big bad mermaid, intimidating by just her size ^^

Cool. Hmm, didn't realize Anko got a larger percentile increase... would 155 or 150 be more reasonable for Mina then, maybe? She's not meant to be very intimidating, at least to other giants.

Sean Okotami wrote:

Also, while we're bringing up Anko, River Mermaids should be scaled up a bit more, since I'm sure that a "human sized" mermaid, on average, is longer from tail to head than a human from head to toe. At least for me.

Indeed. That's part of the reason mermaids are so difficult to estimate, but you also bring up a good (somewhat on-topic) question; how long from head to fin would a human-scale mermaid be? An accurate number there would be quite helpful in estimating the length of the giant ones, especially for the 'math challenged' like myself. XD

I dunno, whatever their waist - head height times 3 or 4? and add that on as the length for the tail?

If we look at the size chart comparison, the height of Anko's human body can be shown to be around 76-86 feet tall (top of head to red line near her hips and first fin covered in the fishnets - since the fishnets block the view determining exactly where the human/fish merger starts is difficult).

With an overall length of 231 feet, that means that the crude ratio (such as people use for nagas, as an example) would be somewhere around 1:3 - in other words take whatever the height from top of head to bestial hip merger and multiply by 2.7~3.05 to get the overall length of the mermaid. If you'd rather only work with an overall measurement rather than trying to determine how big she is from head to waist, then the human portion of a mermaid is roughly 1/3 of whatever the mermaid's overall length happens to be. If we do some visual comparisons, we see that this is 'about right' for Anko as drawn.

What I would personally suggest in this case is figure out how big a human is supposed to be to the mermaid (size of a finger, size of the forearm, size of chest, et cetera - something you can easily and definably measure), figure out the size of a giantess needed to create that comparison with a giantess calculator (easier than doing it yourself, even if the numbers wouldn't come out to be quite the same as just using a calculator), lob off the waist/hips - to - feet measurement leaving you with a head - to - waist/hips measurement and multiply that by a factor of around 2.5-3 to determine overall mermaid length from head to main fin.

Personally I'd say 4 is probably too long for the ratio, but I suppose that depends on what you want the end result to be - I'd think 4-5 endpoint ratios would be more applicable to say an eelgirl or sea-snakegirl or the likes, where the beastial half is rather long compared to the human one.

I would not make this a hard limit by any means, but based on the size chart and Anko it's what we have to work with.

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So, back to the specific question of human - sized mermaids, I would put their body length at around 8.25 ft in length with a human body that is comparable in size to a person standing at 6 ft tall.

aethernavale wrote:

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Thank you! That was actually pretty awesome, and quite informative. When I have time I'll track down that giantess calculator (which I'm sure I remember seeing linked somewhere around here before) and get my calculation on.

PrinnyDood wrote:

aethernavale wrote:

A bunch of stuff

Thank you! That was actually pretty awesome, and quite informative. When I have time I'll track down that giantess calculator (which I'm sure I remember seeing linked somewhere around here before) and get my calculation on.

Well, I don't know exactly what program you are talking about, but here is one that I have used in the past, might do what you need it to do: http://vms.bigfurs.com/.

This one is my reference. Found in a thread on a forum for giants and size expansions, I took the code and put it on my server. I haven't edited it at all, pretty much just downloaded the text file from the forum, renamed it HTML per instruction and hosted it for use during the size change discussion threads prior.

Alrighty, thanks for all the awesome math skills, and now assuming I did this right (which I a big assumption), Mina's length seems to come out to more like 145, 150ish feet. Which isn't all that far from my initial assessment, but it's nice to know it's based on something other than (semi)wild guessing.

And now we have accurate mermaid ratios, thanks to aethernavale, which is just awesome.

PrinnyDood wrote:

And now we have accurate mermaid ratios, thanks to aethernavale, which is just awesome.

More like thanks to Karbo for creating the size chart reference sheet so we have something more to go off of than the random height presented in text on the wiki with no perspective and our random guesses as to how our OCs should fit within the realm of canon characters.

aethernavale wrote:

More like thanks to Karbo for creating the size chart reference sheet so we have something more to go off of than the random height presented in text on the wiki with no perspective and our random guesses as to how our OCs should fit within the realm of canon characters.

Very true. Without that awesome size chart, none of this would be possible either.

Scala's height needs to be updated ^^; I made it an even 100 feet tall and 400 feet long. But her bio as a whole needs to be fixed, but that can come later really, when I'm satisfied with a backstory.

alright ^^

I just noticed, Fiona's height is still written as 73 ft in the wiki.

I guess it'd be up to the creator, but for Oceanic nagas, it says they are 300 feet long. The page also implies that they are more giant than usual, when that would make them the same size as any other giant naga, or even smaller depending on if you enforce 3:1 or 4:1 length-to-height.

Sean Okotami wrote:

I just noticed, Fiona's height is still written as 73 ft in the wiki.

It was because I hadn't decided on a new size for her yet. Probably going to end up bumping her up to around 98ft.

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I guess it'd be up to the creator, but for Oceanic nagas, it says they are 300 feet long. The page also implies that they are more giant than usual, when that would make them the same size as any other giant naga, or even smaller depending on if you enforce 3:1 or 4:1 length-to-height.

Yeah, I believe that is because the entry is old. Back from before people started to really calculate naga lengths.

Not really an inconsistency, but I think Razias should be made a little bigger. 20-30 ft tall is not all that big anymore now. I'd say between 30 and 40, since it seems to be close to what smaller giants usually are now.

Mhh I think that's a nice point.

When I wrote the entry for Pella and her kind, my understanding was that 300 feet was HUGE for a lamia. However-as previously stated- things have changed. She would be truly enormous now. If I had to guess- I'd say at least 870 feet.