Do Tinies have guns?

I was wondering because I have neera who makes things and is a inventor and sometime he makes armaments and I was thinking of giving him a gun. Then I realized most Tiny pics I've seen/stories I've read have them using low-tech weapons. Is this a rule or just because nobody thought of it?

jedi-explorer wrote:

I was wondering because I have neera who makes things and is a inventor and sometime he makes armaments and I was thinking of giving him a gun. Then I realized most Tiny pics I've seen/stories I've read have them using low-tech weapons. Is this a rule or just because nobody thought of it?

The main problem is... well there are two main problems.

1: Assembling the materials: Metal, wood, stuff to make gunpowder and projectiles from. This is even more difficult for tinies than it is for humans. The materials will be spread out further, they will be heavier and harder to work with, and they will be much harder to get to. How is a neera supposed to get some iron to make a gun? Or shave off small enough pieces for them to use?

2: Practicality: Much like human-sized people vs giant preds, you really won't do any significant damage until you get to high-caliber military-grade weapons. Guns that are sophisticated to make, especially if you are a more primitive society.

Could Negavian tinies potentially have guns? Sure, there's going to be crime in Pelnepi just like anywhere else. Unless its a side-arm to protect them against another tiny, I just can't see what else they'd need it for. Maybe simple rifles for hunting small animals and insects, but that's about it.

An idea that isn't well explored: Tinies wielding giant mechs. Well, people-sized mechs.

rcs619 wrote:

jedi-explorer wrote:

I was wondering because I have neera who makes things and is a inventor and sometime he makes armaments and I was thinking of giving him a gun. Then I realized most Tiny pics I've seen/stories I've read have them using low-tech weapons. Is this a rule or just because nobody thought of it?

The main problem is... well there are two main problems.

1: Assembling the materials: Metal, wood, stuff to make gunpowder and projectiles from. This is even more difficult for tinies than it is for humans. The materials will be spread out further, they will be heavier and harder to work with, and they will be much harder to get to. How is a neera supposed to get some iron to make a gun? Or shave off small enough pieces for them to use?

2: Practicality: Much like human-sized people vs giant preds, you really won't do any significant damage until you get to high-caliber military-grade weapons. Guns that are sophisticated to make, especially if you are a more primitive society.

Could Negavian tinies potentially have guns? Sure, there's going to be crime in Pelnepi just like anywhere else. Unless its a side-arm to protect them against another tiny, I just can't see what else they'd need it for. Maybe simple rifles for hunting small animals and insects, but that's about it.

Those are pretty good reasons. Okay I see. Materials. Man Tinies have no luck in that region! Makes you wonder what they use to barter for goods. Cause most currency in most cultures is made o -semi-precious metals I belive, but I can see why they wouldn't all have guns. After all couldn't have a Tiny army re-in-acting the "King Kong" scene

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An idea that isn't well explored: Tinies wielding giant mechs. Well, people-sized mechs.

Yeah that's true, though ironicly that was one option I cosidered for the Neera who made me wonder about this! :O

Tiny villages should build ANACs.

Anti-Neko Artillery Cannons

Grave wrote:

Tiny villages should build ANACs.

Anti-Neko Artillery Cannons

Yes, they shoot nagas.

And the naga's shoot rabid inu's.

FalconJudge wrote:

An idea that isn't well explored: Tinies wielding giant mechs. Well, people-sized mechs.

This makes me think of the first Men in Black movie where the little alien is seen in a robot's head. Though I know mechs are more... 'badass' to say the least. Still... considering the variety of worlds that connect to Felarya... it wouldn't be impossible for a race of neeras to be super advanced. Problem is... on their world they might be bigger or some other random nonsense that shoots this down...

Archmage_Bael wrote:

Yes, they shoot nagas.

Hehehe..... that was my first thought as well......

But let's get more serious, I like the idea of tinies having access to guns that can "paint" a neko with some kind of substance that is very alluring to giant nagas and can be detected from a long distance away. The substance could also inhibit the neko's abilities making them rather easy prey. Not a direct lethal approach but perhaps an appropriate deterrent and punishment to the "crime" especially in Felarya.

Grave wrote:

Tiny villages should build ANACs.

Anti-Neko Artillery Cannons

XD That is a cool image, but then why would they need the preists and preistess who live at the Sanctum of the Shining Star?

ILcren wrote:

Still, I don't know the gunpowder creation process. It may be needed for it to have the grain size humans use at minimum, and then it would be pretty hard to manage for tinies.

Actually it's not that hard and with Felarya's magic having Alchemy it'd be doubly easy I think. After all it was the Chinese who invented it was it not? Surely a Felaryan Tiny could if a Chinese Mage can.

Ilceren wrote:

jedi-explorer wrote:

Ilçeren wrote:

Still, I don't know the gunpowder creation process. It may be needed for it to have the grain size humans use at minimum, and then it would be pretty hard to manage for tinies.

Actually it's not that hard and with Felarya's magic having Alchemy it'd be doubly easy I think. After all it was the Chinese who invented it was it not? Surely a Felaryan Tiny could if a Chinese Mage can.

I didn't mean the creation process, but the end result. If the gunpowder is made having the size of half a tiny's head at minumum, then it would be hard to manage. And the guns would have to be really big to fit such grains and bullets.

Oh. I see what you mean. The size would make it hard to produce. I thought you meant you didn't know the formula for gunpowder.

If they do use guns, they would have to be low tech and arn't mass produced.

Most modern weapons are created in factories you know......they require metals that would need to be casted into shape, coating of different chemicals to make them durable to the environment, they would need professinal assembling and are always in need of cleaning correctly after being used.

A bit much for the little fella's isn't it? Not something that would happen over night, Earth Humans started developing guns in the 14th century starting with basic canons, it has taken 700 years of development for them to be what they are now.

The tinies would of required alot of help from a more technologically advanced race, someone to go through the frustration of creating technology smaller than themselves. Which no doubt would require alot of skill and money. And what can the Tinies give for exchange of this? Noone in the Felraya cities are just going to do that out of the goodness of their hearts when they have their own weapon concerns

i don't think its possible, a bullet is propelled by an explosive (lets assume an equivalent of gunpowder: tiny gunpowder )reaction so there are 2 problems:
1: they aren't powerful enough to do anything (ever against another tiny).
2: if they were powerful enough, the gun wouldn't be tough enough to withstand it...

CrisisOperations wrote:

i don't think its possible, a bullet is propelled by an explosive (lets assume an equivalent of gunpowder: tiny gunpowder )reaction so there are 2 problems:
1: they aren't powerful enough to do anything (ever against another tiny).
2: if they were powerful enough, the gun wouldn't be tough enough to withstand it...

Hmm technically the first is true of all guns in Felarya. A giant's density makes it near impossible to harm with a little machine gun much less a sword, but we still use them and often we ignore the reality of that for the sake of the fact Felarya is unique in a aspect that high technology and magic exist in the same world and work well as long as nobody calls them into question. So thus why can't a Tiny have a gun? Or even some Wild Tinies have militias or even their own private armies? Heck using Grave's ANAC's wouldn't be a bad thing. No need to have impact. Just impair and cripple the target.

Well if there was any practical usage of guns for a Tinie it would be protection from creatures of simular size, insects and other creepycrawly's are used to having to eat things with exoskeletons, so the soft outer flesh of a Tinie would be a right treat for them.

So I don't think it's silly for Tinies to want to have guns, it's just having the means to make them that is the problem.

The smallest Caliber known to me is 2mm Pinfire. To fire such a small Projectile all You need is a thin Layer of Fulminate of Mercury - an Alchimist for Example could easily produce this (and if he is not the luckiest One, also seriously blow himself up trying it). So no Gun Powder is needed in this Case.
Years ago I had the Opportunity to test one of these Micro Guns and used small Lead Pieces as Projectiles - at least over a Distance of 2 Meters You can penetrate a Newspaper ( an Equivalent of killing a Canary). And getting Metal should not be a Problem - look, what Humans are wasting all Day. So just go for their Garbage. If You are small (and thus talented), You probably can build Yourself a friggin´ Tank.

Another defensive Method would be Sort of a small `Super Soaker´ loaded with hard reeking Stuff, Tear Solvent - or a pheromonic Marker, that lets a `sprayed´ Predator suddenly seem to be attractive for even bigger ones. If You are really looking for something kicking some huge Butt, You will find something - like a special Skin Lotion that will let You reek and taste horrible (and perhaps poisonous - like the Moses Fish who is easily able to gross out Sharks).

You know Ladybirds - these small red Bugs with tiny black Spots? No Bird with two working Brain Cells would ever, EVER eat one of them. Because if he does, he will throw up and ending dizzy for at least two Weeks with a very bad Taste in the Throat. So You see, You can load a 2mm-Gun with poisonous Thorns too. Nail them like a big Fish with a Harpoon.

Bandur Khan wrote:

The smallest Caliber known to me is 2mm Pinfire. To fire such a small Projectile all You need is a thin Layer of Fulminate of Mercury - an Alchimist for Example could easily produce this (and if he is not the luckiest One, also seriously blow himself up trying it). So no Gun Powder is needed in this Case.
Years ago I had the Opportunity to test one of these Micro Guns and used small Lead Pieces as Projectiles - at least over a Distance of 2 Meters You can penetrate a Newspaper ( an Equivalent of killing a Canary). And getting Metal should not be a Problem - look, what Humans are wasting all Day. So just go for their Garbage. If You are small (and thus talented), You probably can build Yourself a friggin´ Tank.

Another defensive Method would be Sort of a small `Super Soaker´ loaded with hard reeking Stuff, Tear Solvent - or a pheromonic Marker, that lets a `sprayed´ Predator suddenly seem to be attractive for even bigger ones. If You are really looking for something kicking some huge Butt, You will find something - like a special Skin Lotion that will let You reek and taste horrible (and perhaps poisonous - like the Moses Fish who is easily able to gross out Sharks).

You know Ladybirds - these small red Bugs with tiny black Spots? No Bird with two working Brain Cells would ever, EVER eat one of them. Because if he does, he will throw up and ending dizzy for at least two Weeks with a very bad Taste in the Throat. So You see, You can load a 2mm-Gun with poisonous Thorns too. Nail them like a big Fish with a Harpoon.

I love you, you know that? This is all wonderful news to me. :3

Bandur Khan wrote:

The smallest Caliber known to me is 2mm Pinfire. To fire such a small Projectile all You need is a thin Layer of Fulminate of Mercury - an Alchimist for Example could easily produce this (and if he is not the luckiest One, also seriously blow himself up trying it). So no Gun Powder is needed in this Case.
Years ago I had the Opportunity to test one of these Micro Guns and used small Lead Pieces as Projectiles - at least over a Distance of 2 Meters You can penetrate a Newspaper ( an Equivalent of killing a Canary). And getting Metal should not be a Problem - look, what Humans are wasting all Day. So just go for their Garbage. If You are small (and thus talented), You probably can build Yourself a friggin´ Tank.

Another defensive Method would be Sort of a small `Super Soaker´ loaded with hard reeking Stuff, Tear Solvent - or a pheromonic Marker, that lets a `sprayed´ Predator suddenly seem to be attractive for even bigger ones. If You are really looking for something kicking some huge Butt, You will find something - like a special Skin Lotion that will let You reek and taste horrible (and perhaps poisonous - like the Moses Fish who is easily able to gross out Sharks).

You know Ladybirds - these small red Bugs with tiny black Spots? No Bird with two working Brain Cells would ever, EVER eat one of them. Because if he does, he will throw up and ending dizzy for at least two Weeks with a very bad Taste in the Throat. So You see, You can load a 2mm-Gun with poisonous Thorns too. Nail them like a big Fish with a Harpoon.

Ha ha ha ha this is new news to me xD that is awesome. I guess with creativity and imagination anything is possible! Even in this reality xD

Glad I can help - when it goes to McGyver-Stuff, Survival and exotic Weaponry - I´m the Gun Nut You can count on!

Like the Arch Decan of the `Flintology Church´ (Flinte is German, meaning Gewehr - Rifle. This is a running Gag by my Friends, calling me this).

But no kidding - You can harm and cripple somebody with a mere Newspaper, if You have to. No Steven Seagal is needed to kick some Butts - may they as big as they want. My Experience: The bigger they are- the easier to hit.

Bandur Khan wrote:

The smallest Caliber known to me is 2mm Pinfire. To fire such a small Projectile all You need is a thin Layer of Fulminate of Mercury - an Alchimist for Example could easily produce this (and if he is not the luckiest One, also seriously blow himself up trying it). So no Gun Powder is needed in this Case.
Years ago I had the Opportunity to test one of these Micro Guns and used small Lead Pieces as Projectiles - at least over a Distance of 2 Meters You can penetrate a Newspaper ( an Equivalent of killing a Canary). And getting Metal should not be a Problem - look, what Humans are wasting all Day. So just go for their Garbage. If You are small (and thus talented), You probably can build Yourself a friggin´ Tank.

O.o Pretty powerful little gun! Heh funny you describe how a tech mechanist/black smith would use left over human used scrap metal as that's what I described Zipper, my Neera "Gadgeteer", as doing.

[quote=The Wrath of Bandur Khan]Another defensive Method would be Sort of a small `Super Soaker´ loaded with hard reeking Stuff, Tear Solvent - or a pheromonic Marker, that lets a `sprayed´ Predator suddenly seem to be attractive for even bigger ones. If You are really looking for something kicking some huge Butt, You will find something - like a special Skin Lotion that will let You reek and taste horrible (and perhaps poisonous - like the Moses Fish who is easily able to gross out Sharks). [/quote]

XD Stinkin' Super Soaker sounds amusing. Especially since pressure mechanics are the same no mater what size I'm pretty sure. Love the pheromonic marker too! It makes good sense but it'd have to be something particularly potent and fast acting and designed to attract the specefic predator...Harvesting it might be a problem for a tiny. I do seem to remember a flower who produced bubbles that when they burst on contact emitted a blast of "love pollen" or something that basically makes you want to get all hot and bothered right away without any chance to control the impulses. Something like that saved Rachel from becoming a fairy snack in Prinny's story. I forgot if he referenced it by name though...Ah wait! Something like that would be in Vivian's Garden I'm sure so we just look at her profile. Huh nothing definitive....Ah well still a good idea and I may have to craft some artifact bios on this stuff if you don't!

Bandur Khan wrote:

You know Ladybirds - these small red Bugs with tiny black Spots? No Bird with two working Brain Cells would ever, EVER eat one of them. Because if he does, he will throw up and ending dizzy for at least two Weeks with a very bad Taste in the Throat. So You see, You can load a 2mm-Gun with poisonous Thorns too. Nail them like a big Fish with a Harpoon.

Yet another brilliant idea! O.o Thoust should go into the Tiny Arms business. You would make a fortune! ...Well it'd be a fortune in Libcora Seeds or such but still a fortune!

Sure they have guns, but only pea-shooters ;P

Pea shooters from hell paramecium! if they can be anything like bandur khan described here, they'll be the most irritating SOBs for their larger prey when trying to get away xD

You do not necessarily need to be big for being deadly. Look at this small orange octopus with blue rings all over it. It's venomous like Hell. Oh... are there any Sea Cones in the felaryan oceans? Jiroquanji jellyfish? You only need the slightiest quantums of their Poisons and sting someone with this, how big they ever ma be... and then you may lean back and enjoy the marvellous show that is going to unfold, I swear...