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dragon808tr Survivor
Posts : 936 Join date : 2014-10-30
| Subject: What would you do if you were on a Vanishing Land? Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:23 pm | |
| So, one fun idea I have been playing around in me head is this, what if your school/house/workplace/bus got teleported with others in it, to Felarya?(AKA being on a Vanishing Land) Would you tell the others where you were? What would be your plan of survival? Would you split up, or stay together? (For this, I am assuming that you get teleported to the jungle area somewhat close to Negav, like you could see it in the distance, making it a few miles away and it is midday in Felarya)
If it was me, I would tell everyone that there are giant monsters here, but inform them of the safety of Negav, while not telling them about the vore aspect. I would take everyone and make a dash for Negav, and try not to attract attention or make noise. After they were all safely in Negav, I would venture out a few days later, to look for Crisis and try to talk with her. Since she has connections to the faries, they may know how to get us home; and if they ate me, well, that would have happened anyway. Although even if a way home was discovered, I would still stay in Felarya. Partly to visit the succubi in Hell, but partly to protect Felarya from the human invasion. Because if the others got home successfully and told their story, there would be a huge rush (Probably by the US) to exploit Felarya for bio weapons and medical research and profit. Sure the natural fauna would be happy to deal with the human invaders, but I would be sure that they never got very far of they made it past. I would continue having adventures in Felarya until I inevitably got eaten, hopefully by a good pred.
So, what would you do if this happened to you? Considering the effects that it would have on everyone? Would you live comfortably in Negav (If you even got to it) or go be adventurous with some preds? I am quite interested in discussing this, as I think about it when bored. | |
| | | XionGaTaosenai Newbie adventurer
Posts : 71 Join date : 2015-09-11
| Subject: Re: What would you do if you were on a Vanishing Land? Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:44 pm | |
| Vanishing lands usually snap back within a few hours as most, and predators are wary of entering them out of fear of being stranded by the snap-back. There has been only one case of a vanishing land being permanent, and I'm not even sure that's canon anymore. Just don't go into the jungle and wait it out and you'll be fine. Alternatively, venture forth knowing that it will likely be a one-way trip even if you don't get eaten... I'd probably stay. I know you were wanting ideas of quick-term survival strategies, but I'm more intrigued by what the long-term consequences of such an event for us would be. The fallout of knowing that Felarya was a real place that people could go to would be huge. After the vanishing land snaps back to normal, people would be studying the phenomenon, and it's likely a more controlled way in would be discovered, one that won't close up behind you. This would herald a great deal of official exploration of Felarya by governments and researchers, with ramifications to our understanding of, well, everything that would be too much to fit in a thousand encyclopedias, much less a forum post. - Spoiler:
How did nagas evolve? Nothing in the real world happens because some kind of author arbitrated it, everything has a history, and if Felarya was part of the real world it would be no different. What kind of environment and niche caused nagas to become what they are today? Why do they have two completely different types of skin that are separated at the waist? Why are they so similar in appearance to hominids at all, much less homo sapiens in particular? Are they descended from humans? Which humans? Where and when did those humans leave Earth, and when and how did the snake part enter the equation? Why does a tropical jungle species of hominid feature so many white people, when that goes directly against what we've observed here on earth? That last question could be answered by Elvish/Ur-Sagolian interbreeding during the times when those empires were dominant, since a couple thousand years is no time at all as far as evolution is concerned, especially for a massive, presumably slow-breeding species, so if the Felaryan giants had light skin bred into them during those times there wouldn't be enough time for natural selection to reinforce dark skin colors again. But that just raises more questions! Where did the Elves come from, where did the Ur-Sagolians come from, and why are they white? How do two species with such radically different morphologies have compatible DNA, and how does the offspring wind up being fully one species or the other and not some non-viable amalgam of the two? That last one was a question we were already asking with the Harpies, mind you, which brings up the fact that every question we asked about Nagas above can be asked again for every species that is a hybrid of human and something else.
How do fairies change size? Where does that extra mass come from/go? How do Felaryan giants survive the weight that the square-cube law gives them? Show a scientist Crisis existing happily in the real world, and they will not declare it impossible; clearly the evidence that it is possible is right in front of them, the only viable answer is that there is something at work we do not yet understand. In the real world there is no magic, there is simply insufficiently analyzed physics. What will we discover when we analyze those physics? What will it mean for our understanding of how the universe is structured, how everything around us works?
Those are all questions I've asked myself on lazy days, and the answer is always "it's only a comic, I should just relax". But a vanishing land happens and suddenly it's not a comic anymore. It's very real, and you can bet that hundreds of thousands would dedicate their careers to answering those questions and a billion more.
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| | | Bluehorizon Roaming thug
Posts : 111 Join date : 2015-04-30 Age : 32 Location : best snow on earth is your hint.
| Subject: Re: What would you do if you were on a Vanishing Land? Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:46 am | |
| Hold on now Xion, i heard they were quasi permanent. They come and go but most the ones you seen right now are more stable to stay, however some do get exchanged as seen in this link. However if you are too lazy to click or TL;DR then here's a spoiler of the specific part of that page that you both are curious about. - Connection to other worlds:
Lathan Yarblek was the first to categorize the different patterns in which Felarya connects to other worlds.
Stable connections: These are the most common, and most traditional types of dimensional connections, occurring naturally when two dimensional currents in Lydus link up. On the physical world, they appear as a swirling vortex-like aperture marking the entrance/exit. They appear very rarely on normal worlds, as the currents of those worlds in Lydus are far too short to connect to another, but they are quite a common occurrence on Felarya. They can last a few minutes or a few hours. Stable connections are also the main type of connection generated by artificial means, be it by a portal mage, or a portal generation device. Many groups of explorers around the universe peek into these portals, to try and study the worlds on the other side before the portal disappears. Enter at your own risk! One of the first rule of the MURCOWIH encyclopedia is to never take a portal if you don't know where it leads.
Whiplash connections: These types of connections are a good deal less common than stable ones in Felarya. A whiplash connection is a sudden, violent connection between two currents in Lydus. These can be thought of as the inter-dimensional equivalent of a riptide. When they appear, anything within a certain proximity (some are bigger or smaller than others) gets sucked in as that point in space violently shifts. Their near-instantaneous nature also means that the exit usually closes behind you. It's basically the ultimate case of being in the wrong place in the wrong time. They are thankfully rare across the universe, although the proximity of an Astral storm make them more likely.
Vanishing lands: These are arguably the most extreme type of dimensional connection. In a vanishing land situation, an entire region of another world becomes displaced, and transported to Felarya. Vanishing lands come in several varieties :
Rebound connections: Where the land automatically returns back to its original location, along with anyone in it, after a certain amount of time. These are the most common types. Just don't panic and stay where you are, and you should be fine. Most of the time, people in Vanishing lands actually never notice the shift. If they do, it often gives birth to legends or tales of a an ancient, sacred vanishing forest. The amount of land that is transported can vary widely...from a few yards, to whole cities in some extreme cases.
Exchange connections: In this situation, a piece of land from one world is completely exchanged with a piece of another. In these cases, the displaced lands do not return home, and become a permanent part of Felarya. These tend to be very rare though, and affect smaller areas than rebound connections. The Jungle Bowl is a perfect example of an exchange connection. Still, these places can theoretically return to their original state at any moment, much like how a volcano could awaken, and so vanish suddenly. In practice, it happens extremely rarely though.r other lands and permanently stay there. It cane be found
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| | | XionGaTaosenai Newbie adventurer
Posts : 71 Join date : 2015-09-11
| Subject: Re: What would you do if you were on a Vanishing Land? Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:50 am | |
| In the comic, Crisis and Lea happen across a vanishing land, and specifically decide not to go in because it could snap back at any moment, taking them with it. The only example we know of a permanent exchange is the Jungle Bowl, and that may not be canon anymore. | |
| | | Stabs Moderator
Posts : 1875 Join date : 2009-10-15 Age : 34 Location : The Coil, Miragia
| Subject: Re: What would you do if you were on a Vanishing Land? Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:37 pm | |
| Take reference pictures. I'm sure Karbo could use those; the way he draws Crisis looks nothing like she does in real life! Or rather, sit down and wait. | |
| | | Bluehorizon Roaming thug
Posts : 111 Join date : 2015-04-30 Age : 32 Location : best snow on earth is your hint.
| Subject: Re: What would you do if you were on a Vanishing Land? Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:12 pm | |
| - Xion wrote:
- In the comic, Crisis and Lea happen across a vanishing land, and specifically decide not to go in because it could snap back at any moment, taking them with it. The only example we know of a permanent exchange is the Jungle Bowl, and that may not be canon anymore.
SO an example from the comic of vanishing lands saids that, but the wiki states that there could be some other instances, i'm going with the wiki on this one unless you think it needs fine tuning. | |
| | | dragon808tr Survivor
Posts : 936 Join date : 2014-10-30
| Subject: Re: What would you do if you were on a Vanishing Land? Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:14 pm | |
| - XionGaTaosenai wrote:
- Vanishing lands usually snap back within a few hours as most, and predators are wary of entering them out of fear of being stranded by the snap-back. There has been only one case of a vanishing land being permanent, and I'm not even sure that's canon anymore. Just don't go into the jungle and wait it out and you'll be fine. Alternatively, venture forth knowing that it will likely be a one-way trip even if you don't get eaten... I'd probably stay.
I know you were wanting ideas of quick-term survival strategies, but I'm more intrigued by what the long-term consequences of such an event for us would be. The fallout of knowing that Felarya was a real place that people could go to would be huge. After the vanishing land snaps back to normal, people would be studying the phenomenon, and it's likely a more controlled way in would be discovered, one that won't close up behind you. This would herald a great deal of official exploration of Felarya by governments and researchers, with ramifications to our understanding of, well, everything that would be too much to fit in a thousand encyclopedias, much less a forum post.
- Spoiler:
How did nagas evolve? Nothing in the real world happens because some kind of author arbitrated it, everything has a history, and if Felarya was part of the real world it would be no different. What kind of environment and niche caused nagas to become what they are today? Why do they have two completely different types of skin that are separated at the waist? Why are they so similar in appearance to hominids at all, much less homo sapiens in particular? Are they descended from humans? Which humans? Where and when did those humans leave Earth, and when and how did the snake part enter the equation? Why does a tropical jungle species of hominid feature so many white people, when that goes directly against what we've observed here on earth? That last question could be answered by Elvish/Ur-Sagolian interbreeding during the times when those empires were dominant, since a couple thousand years is no time at all as far as evolution is concerned, especially for a massive, presumably slow-breeding species, so if the Felaryan giants had light skin bred into them during those times there wouldn't be enough time for natural selection to reinforce dark skin colors again. But that just raises more questions! Where did the Elves come from, where did the Ur-Sagolians come from, and why are they white? How do two species with such radically different morphologies have compatible DNA, and how does the offspring wind up being fully one species or the other and not some non-viable amalgam of the two? That last one was a question we were already asking with the Harpies, mind you, which brings up the fact that every question we asked about Nagas above can be asked again for every species that is a hybrid of human and something else.
How do fairies change size? Where does that extra mass come from/go? How do Felaryan giants survive the weight that the square-cube law gives them? Show a scientist Crisis existing happily in the real world, and they will not declare it impossible; clearly the evidence that it is possible is right in front of them, the only viable answer is that there is something at work we do not yet understand. In the real world there is no magic, there is simply insufficiently analyzed physics. What will we discover when we analyze those physics? What will it mean for our understanding of how the universe is structured, how everything around us works?
Those are all questions I've asked myself on lazy days, and the answer is always "it's only a comic, I should just relax". But a vanishing land happens and suddenly it's not a comic anymore. It's very real, and you can bet that hundreds of thousands would dedicate their careers to answering those questions and a billion more.
^This! Yeah, the discovery of such a place as Felarya would create a new wave of reaserch and technology! Everything from soil exports, to bio weapons, to using Negav's tech would be fair game. As well as some predators who would like to come to Earth to eat people, or just to hang out (especially faries!) So, humans would need to change their defenses as some would try to be friends with the new creatures. Or even more likely, the Felaryans would break into Earth en masse, and launch a full scale invasion that would result in humanity being a slave/food species. Essentially turning us into livestalk similar to chickens and pigs. (Fun fact, I actually simulated out a attack like this using modeling software. The time until the Felaryans dominate would be about 8 minuites. If nukes were launched indiscriminately of collateral damage, 18 minuites). Although, given the current state of the world, I would much rather have this happen! I just hope that I would end up in the stomach of a good pred! | |
| | | XionGaTaosenai Newbie adventurer
Posts : 71 Join date : 2015-09-11
| Subject: Re: What would you do if you were on a Vanishing Land? Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:23 pm | |
| I think you need to get better modeling software, or at least double-check and make sure you checked the box next to "Felaryans" and not "Combine". Felaryan giants are far from invincible; we're not talking a mass invasion of Godzillas here. An anti-tank rifle would be perfectly capable of doing serious damage to them, to say nothing of actual tanks. In Felarya itself, Ur-Sagol waged war with the Dridders, twice, and fought them to a standstill both times. They had magic, but you know what they say about sufficiently advanced technology. Even if Felaryan giants could effortlessly plow through our best armies, they still have to travel from city to city taking each one over. They're not going to be able to cover the whole planet in the time it takes you to eat a hamburger and fries.
But the biggest issue is that there is no surviving faction in Felarya that would want to invade Earth. Random wild predators are not going to invade en mass: assuming a worst case scenario of a portal big enough for predators to get through and completely unmonitored, the worst you'd get is an opportunistic individual wanting a change of scenery every once in a while. If there's going to be an invasion, it would be an organized invasion, and the only group of predators with enough structure to pull of such an invasion would be the Fairy Kingdom, which has historically never seen a war since the Correctors and are perfectly happy in their own land thank you very much. The Dridder Empire, back when it was around, might have invaded Earth if given the opportunity, and honestly they could have given us a rough time, but conquering the entire planet, even in a best case scenario for the Dridders, would take at least 8 years, not 8 minutes. And given how proto-Negav got along just fine as a protectorate under them, the slave/food fate you describe just, wouldn't happen. At all. | |
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