How Far Is Too Far For Crisis?

GREGOLE wrote:

I kinda not only felt that it was being rubbed into my face, but gave me a real animosity towards the character that took forever to wear off. It felt like it was TRYING to make the reader dislike Crisis, with no real purpose in mind save to taunt me.

That's exactly how I feel. It's like someone's trying to bend the rules as far as possible, just to make me feel bad for liking Crisis as a character.
When I am looking at the pictures or reading a story, I always imagine the things you don't really see or read about. I.e. how digestion finally starts, how satisfied the pred must be, and so on. I have to say, vore is definitely sexual and erotic for me and suddenly changing the character I've grown to love into this is just like being mentally forced to get high of on some pedophilic children-snuff-movie against your will.
What makes it even worse is that I cannot defend the character, because I did not make the rules and she isn't my character. I can only sit there, probably finding a few indices showing she's "maybe" not that bad, and watch, how in my opinion injustice is done to her.

Bottom line: If you want to make Crisis do thinks she isn't supposed to do, please, invent your own character that is similar to her but not pretending to be her and has his/her own reasons for his/her actions. After all, creativity is what writing is all about.

darkshot2600 wrote:

I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up, but expecting non-humans to have human moral values is one of the things that makes us human to begin with. So when it comes right down to it, if someone would expect Crisis to share human moral values, one would assume Crisis to be "human in nature". We know this as not true so to continue to dwell on it will only distract you from your own personal safety, if you know what I mean.

I'm sorry, but I dare to say you are completely wrong with this. Look in her bio "Crisis is good-hearted and know for her kindness among other Nagas. It's only her size and appetite that make her so dangerous." You really wanna tell me that for a naga or a fairy being good-hearted, kind, and so on, is something completely contrary to what other creatures, especially humans, believe them to be? Does being good for a naga not only include eating and playing with the prey, but also tormenting them in the most horrible ways imaginable. Just try to think about what happened:
A mother and her baby being in Crisis stomach. The mother tries desperately to hold her baby above the digestive acid, but of course she fails in the end and is forced to watch how her little baby is painfully dissolved in the digestive juices just before she dies too. Meanwhile Crisis bigs herself up thinking about how she would have traumatized them booth for the rest of their lives, if they had a chance to survive.
There is obviously a difference between this and just playfully eating some humans and enjoying the taste and the feelings they make when struggling in her stomach. That’s because the first one is as evil and cruel as you possibly can get, as in the first one, Crisis enjoys the struggling, which is imho part of the hunt, in the second one she's enjoying the domination and the terror she causes to those who cannot defend themselves.
You just don't play with fears far worse than a painful death by digestion if you have at least a minimum of kindness in your heart, because that's the way you break people.

Not to mention she is loyal to her family and her friends who are possibly good hearted too. But I will spare you further explanations.



Excuse me... I need to calm down...



Something I really like about Felarya, or Vore as a whole, are the extreme contrasts this world exposes. Think about it: There are giant killer machines all over the place. They are not only good at hunting but can even fool their victims with their gorgeous bodies to be far less dangerous. And on top of that, they use to swallow their victims whole and alive, causing them to die slow and painfully and even enjoy the feelings of their struggling. But there is a surprise! When one would translate Felarya (or Vore) onto a realistic world, one could easily misjudge it to be an absolute nightmare universe, as there is death and pain around every corner. This would be a great mistake (remember kable1's "accident" on DA?). Of course, a lot of characters in Felarya are evil and all that stuff, and there’s no problem with letting the bad guys be bad guys. There are even wars like in reality.
But I can also find a strange beauty in this world. Let's forget about the wars and bad guys for a moment and focus on a vorish part, the hunting and the consuming. It's hard to explain, but even though humans are considered food, it's not like they are being considered things. In reality one can find the opposite. In the world we live in, people, animals and even children are threatened as things by far more regular than one could want to imagine. In reality, there are humans who are living in under such inhuman circumstances, they even forgot what it means to be human, or just to be an individual (which includes nagas, fairies and every other species I know of). As we know till now, the high score of "how long one can constantly humiliate an individual" stands at 24 years, at least. But what makes it so horrible, is that humiliation is not just something, a few bad people do. It has become a part of our society.
In Felarya, you may have to live in constant fear of Crisis being behind every tree, but as every human has the same problem, there’s nothing that can break your soul while living without leaving you a chance to fight back, no matter how bad your chances are. Of course, when meeting Crisis, you're unlucky, when meeting a dridder, you're unlucky even more, but there is always a clear vision of what you're fighting against. Even in the stomach the interaction between prey and pred doesn't cease to exist. Try interacting that much with a society and you will see what I mean. Taking this away from Felarya, or turning Crisis into, not a monster, but a bad human, would make Felarya just another real world or a basis for random porn-stories, thus taking away anything special, except the size of the boobs. After all, Felarya in fact is the better reality. That's at least my opinion.



I'm sorry for introducing myself like this and I'm definitely not trying to argue against Karbo, but as I said, this is important to me and I wouldn't talk so much if I hadn't thought a lot about it before.
Fell free to rip me apart.



Oh yes, and I completely agree to Oldman and Raveolution on their last posts. For me, staying to true to the original character also has something to do with respect for the work of the author.

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Meanwhile Crisis bigs herself up thinking about how she would have traumatized them booth for the rest of their lives, if they had a chance to survive.

I don't understand the word "bigs herself up" but seeing the rest of what you wrote, I think you are very mistaken on the psychology of Crisis. I have made a slight update on the wiki to hopefully help explain things better.

Karbo wrote:

I don't understand the word "bigs herself up" but seeing the rest of what you wrote, I think you are very mistaken on the psychology of Crisis. I have made a slight update on the wiki to hopefully help explain things better.

Thanks for your answer!
With "Big yourself up" I probaly used the word wrong, as I am not english. What I meant was, she probaly doesn't enjoy the thought of the prey trapped inside her, because it makes her feel great to know she showed them how weak and worthless they are compared to her. Like some people are getting their daily dose of selfconfidense through punishing their dog for no reason. I thought she likes it because of the pleasure it gives to her, having them struggle inside and kickin her stomach walls (and the taste of course). Especially the "first making the baby happy then swallowing it" haunts me, as making a child happy definitely shows somekind of "sympathy" and is by far different from the usual "Okay, I will let you go... NOT (gulp!)". These's no way to connect the first behavior to a person, who has at least a minimum of social feelings. If you do, then why is Lea still alive? Any being with a mind this twisted is not able to make any longtime relationship at all. But as I said, it's very difficult to explain for me.

Well then, if you don't agree with me, I will accept at least my last post as complete nonsense. I read the wiki again and I believe I got your point. When she heard so much begging and if the step between food and people-categorie is really that big, I probaly really missunderstood her.

But one thing still annoys me. I dont see the mistake in my "mother instinct"-theory. All I want to know is if she's really such a racist she doesn't feel anything at all when interacting with a human baby (not just eating it immedialy), no mercy or "Aww, cute!" at all. I mean, a human baby does not look that much different from a fairy or a baby naga, despite being smaler, or is the size that important for her?

It's just, I don't want somebody to stumble across your work and first find out, Crisis is gulping down babys together with their mothers, as if this would be the central point of her existence and every voreaphile gets off on it. She's your character! Don't let yourself get overwhelmed with what others are trying to turn her into (including me)! In the end, you are deciding, what she does and not does, not what can be considered as realistic, likeable or moralic correct!

undersde wrote:

Karbo wrote:

I don't understand the word "bigs herself up" but seeing the rest of what you wrote, I think you are very mistaken on the psychology of Crisis. I have made a slight update on the wiki to hopefully help explain things better.

Thanks for your answer!
With "Big yourself up" I probaly used the word wrong, as I am not english. What I meant was, she probaly doesn't enjoy the thought of the prey trapped inside her, because it makes her feel great to know she showed them how weak and worthless they are compared to her. Like some people are getting their daily dose of selfconfidense through punishing their dog for no reason. I thought she likes it because of the pleasure it gives to her, having them struggle inside and kickin her stomach walls (and the taste of course). Especially the "first making the baby happy then swallowing it" haunts me

I had to pause this for a moment - just talking about this, haunts me. I sincerely hope this is not Karbo's Crisis, but rather someone else's gratuitously distorted Crisis.

undersde wrote:

, as making a child happy definitely shows somekind of "sympathy" and is by far different from the usual "Okay, I will let you go... NOT (gulp!)".

I cannot imagine someone WRITING a character like this, doing that to a child, and then trying to portray them as likeable. It is snuff. Definitely snuff. That being said, I am still not sure if this snuff behavior is or is not acceptable behavior for Crisis.

undersde wrote:

But one thing still annoys me. I dont see the mistake in my "mother instinct"-theory. All I want to know is if she's really such a racist she doesn't feel anything at all when interacting with a human baby (not just eating it immedialy), no mercy or "Aww, cute!" at all. I mean, a human baby does not look that much different from a fairy or a baby naga, despite being smaler, or is the size that important for her?

It's not racist, it's specist. And this is why I don't eat veal, and haven't for decades.

One thing to note, we humans rip each other a new one over clubbing baby seals.

undersde wrote:

It's just, I don't want somebody to stumble across your work and first find out, Crisis is gulping down babys together with their mothers, as if this would be the central point of her existence and every voreaphile gets off on it. She's your character! Don't let yourself get overwhelmed with what others are trying to turn her into (including me)! In the end, you are deciding, what she does and not does, not what can be considered as realistic, likeable or moralic correct!

Karbo indeed has absolute domain over his character, and let no point made by me ever be taken to contradict that, but I can offer a warning here: Crisis eating a baby even ONCE comes across as snuff. It comes across as snuff to me. Allowing artists to have her doing this over and over again will alienate people from the story in a big way, even to the point of scaring web hosting providers.

I could see, say, Deviant Art freaking out if there are Crisis "Serial snuff" (eating 4 babies in one story) stories on there.

There is a reason Karbo said he doesn't write this (IIRC)...

err let's have it clear once and for all...

Crisis don't like to eat babies for the kick of it, to show how weak they are, or because she is specist or something.. She regards them as preys, like a full grown male is. Yes, this is not a pretty aspect of her. then again the whole universe of Felarya depend on how you look at it. if you take it at the very first degree, then it's a nightmarish world full of giant creatures that kill smaller creatures by dissolving them in acid and enjoying it... Not very pretty.

Me, I don't choose to show that, as well as I don't choose to show Crisis gulping babies in my comics. surprising uh ? I prefer to use a comedic aspect, and, believe me, I have written a few scenaris before and never came to something nearly as difficult as Felarya. But it's also what makes it so interesting to draw/write about, this opposition between beauty, cuteness and deadlyness. I find it fascinating.
Seriously if you search too much sense of realism in Felarya and to rationalize it at all cost, then you are pretty much loosing your time here...

Now concerning this particular scene in Crisis and Scarecrow. It posed me a lot of problem from the start and I would rather not have it at all ( it was actually toned down ). Servomoore wanted to use it to offer a sharper contrast, as a shocking value. Now if the rest of the story was meant to stick exactly to Felarya, and to depict the characters as true as possible, then I would have clearly not accepted it in the end. But now if you read the rest of the novel, you'll see that the tone is much more leaned toward irony and derision than the original Felarya. it's like and alternate Felarya, with many traits exxagerated, like the nagas of Felarya that are organized into the UN ( united nagas ), The dridders of the swamp and their famous banner ( XD ), and where Anna would build a giant mecha or a shrinking gun in a matter of days...

Sometimes I wish I could write a story in good english enough to convey what I think exactly Crisis is. The worse part is it's perfectly clear in my head ><

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Sometimes I wish I could write a story in good english enough to convey what I think exactly Crisis is. The worse part is it's perfectly clear in my head ><

You wrote a succubus story at one point, didn't you?

Frankly, I think writing a Crisis story of your own is a superb idea. An editor could provide a quick fixup in case any translation issues become problematic.

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Now concerning this particular scene in Crisis and Scarecrow. It posed me a lot of problem from the start and I would rather not have it at all ( it was actually toned down ). Servomoore wanted to use it to offer a sharper contrast, as a shocking value. Now if the rest of the story was meant to stick exactly to Felarya, and to depict the characters as true as possible, then I would have clearly not accepted it in the end. But now if you read the rest of the novel, you'll see that the tone is much more leaned toward irony and derision than the original Felarya. it's like and alternate Felarya, with many traits exxagerated, like the nagas of Felarya that are organized into the UN ( united nagas ), The dridders of the swamp and their famous banner ( XD ), and where Anna would build a giant mecha or a shrinking gun in a matter of days...

To each his own, I suppose. Personally, I still felt like the whole thing was being rubbed in my face. There was a distinct "Humans suck. Nagas > all" vibe that I kept getting. >> Suffice to say, it really made me stop liking just about all the characters.
Irony is one thing, but purposely turning the reader against the protagonists just isn't a smart move.

Raveolution wrote:

but I can offer a warning here: Crisis eating a baby even ONCE comes across as snuff. It comes across as snuff to me. Allowing artists to have her doing this over and over again will alienate people from the story in a big way, even to the point of scaring web hosting providers.

I could see, say, Deviant Art freaking out if there are Crisis "Serial snuff" (eating 4 babies in one story) stories on there.

Your warning is un-needed and ridiculous. From what I know in snuff there is a sense of entertainement, with spectators delecting into observing the death happening for real before their eyes. If you think there is people here that are delighted at the idea of Crisis eating babies then you have a serious problem.
Plus I didn't especially liked this vague sense of threath I sensed in your words. Honnestly, I begin to wonder what you are trying to do on these forums ?

EDIT : fine then.

Karbo wrote:

Raveolution wrote:

but I can offer a warning here: Crisis eating a baby even ONCE comes across as snuff. It comes across as snuff to me. Allowing artists to have her doing this over and over again will alienate people from the story in a big way, even to the point of scaring web hosting providers.

I could see, say, Deviant Art freaking out if there are Crisis "Serial snuff" (eating 4 babies in one story) stories on there.

Your warning is un-needed and ridiculous. From what I know in snuff there is a sense of entertainement, with spectators delecting into observing the death happening for real before their eye. If you think there is people here that are delighted at the idea of Crisis eating babies then you have a serious problem.
Plus I didn't especially liked this vague sense of threath I sensed in your words. Honnestly, I begin to wonder what you are trying to do on these forums ?

Well, I am NOT trying to make threats, vague or otherwise, that's for sure.

I will never forgive myself for having Crisis eat a infant neko in my story.
My most heartfelt apologies.

I LIKE Crisis! I don't think she's evil or cold-hearted. I think she's a compasionate, kind and gentle lady-who just happens to be a super-predator and live by a harsh set of rules to survive. It's NOT like she can slither down to the supermarket!

Nevertheless-I promise here and now to NEVER write such stuff again! I have hurt my friend and I am deeply sorry!

*hugs a surprised Crisis*

I think what would clear a lot of things up is,

"how important are humans, as a food source?"

the reason i asked that is becuase Anna doesn't eat humans to survive. the main reason is becuase she used to be human, but she is able to live off of other animals. So one of things i am wondering is, if a Naga can survive without eating humans, why do they do it.

I mean theres a a lot of arguments you can say about it, one of them being a lot of humans walk in the middle of the jungle clueless while animals in Felarya know how to hide and survive.

A other argument is that humans are seen no different as other animals," why should we spare humans over everyone else, what makes them so special?"

Also a other point of view can be, "becuase it feels good." i mean i think this is the main reason which get people angry in my opinion and its probably the most misunderstood reason.

Theres a bunch a point views you can go about. The main thing i am wondering is after looking at anna's character, Nagas might not have to eat humans to survive.

Claire wrote:

I think what would clear a lot of things up is,

"how important are humans, as a food source?"

the reason i asked that is becuase Anna doesn't eat humans to survive. the main reason is becuase she used to be human, but she is able to live off of other animals. So one of things i am wondering is, if a Naga can survive without eating humans, why do they do it.

I mean theres a a lot of arguments you can say about it, one of them being a lot of humans walk in the middle of the jungle clueless while animals in Felarya know how to hide and survive.

A other argument is that humans are seen no different as other animals," why should we spare humans over everyone else, what makes them so special?"

Also a other point of view can be, "becuase it feels good." i mean i think this is the main reason which get people angry in my opinion and its probably the most misunderstood reason.

Theres a bunch a point views you can go about. The main thing i am wondering is after looking at anna's character, Nagas might not have to eat humans to survive.

All excellent points!

Katrika-"Well-some of us eat humans because it's easier to catch them or-as in my case-we have a personal grudge against them."

At first thanks to Raveolution for sharing my feelings (it's good to know, there is somebody who can understand me), and my apologies for being so melodramatic yesterday, but since I started to post here two days ago, just the thought of Crisis (and therefore the whole Felarya) could let be turned into a playing ground for pedophiles, snuff-freaks and other torturers made me did hurt me, physically. I'm dead serious.


For me, this whole problem is like a big hole in a fence. Everybody, who knows where it is, can go through and change Crisis into literally everything, without having any conflict with her intended personality. This morning I even had the idea asking you (Karbo), if I can write a story like a "Felaryan Aristocrats Joke", to show, how far you can change her using this "hole". But thinking of how annoying this theme has become, I guess it's better to forget this idea. In case you don't know what an Aristocrats Joke is, I recommend you to watch this funny sketch (don't worry, there's no violence to be shown).
http://www.thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/38-sketches/189-the-most-raunchy-aristocrates-joke-ever


And I want to make one thing clear; I was not referring to ANYONE here, not even Servomoore. I am far from being thinking someone here wanted to make a snuff-story. If I remember right, Servo said, vore is nothing sexual for him, but just some dark humor. But as I said, Felarya will grow and there will be a lot of new people wanting to write about it (I am one of them).
Further, you (Karbo again) may have not realized, how much Felarya did grow in such a short time, as you put so much work in it. I would even consider Crisis to be one of the greatest vore-celebrities of all time. If I wanted to introduce people into vore, I would introduce them into Crisis.
That's not all. Just consider how fast homosexual men have become accepted in society. The time, our parents were as old as we are now, giving gays this amount of freedom and rights, would have caused outrage und violence like a small civil war.
With this fact in mind, I am pretty sure there is a good chance, even vore will become public one day in the not-so-far future. You can rest assure, that even though the "hole" has been closed a bit by now, there will be people who hate us (yes, us all) and they will use any possibility they can find to let us look like a virus, which need to be scoured from earth.

Making long things short: I would highly recommend you to close the "hole" of Crisis eating babies. She is the character who represents Felarya the most. Every other character may do what he/she wants, but Crisis should show the way, Felarya is meant to be seen.


One last thing:

Karbo wrote:

Your warning is un-needed and ridiculous. From what I know in snuff there is a sense of entertainment, with spectators delecting into observing the death happening for real before their eyes. If you think there is people here that are delighted at the idea of Crisis eating babies then you have a serious problem.
Plus I didn't especially liked this vague sense of threath I sensed in your words. Honnestly, I begin to wonder what you are trying to do on these forums ?

In my opinion, you are slightly mistaking here. First Raveolution is just being clear and honest, not threatening at all. Second, from what I know about snuff, a movie showing someone getting killed for real, is called a real snuff. Therefore, snuff alone does not mean it's a real murder. Snuff alone only means, someone gets killed for the sake of delivering erotic entertainment. I am not sure, but if I am right, "this specific scene" could really be considered as snuff, if it would be in an erotic context.



Oh my god, I wrote so much again....

Claire wrote:

"how important are humans, as a food source?"

the reason i asked that is becuase Anna doesn't eat humans to survive. the main reason is becuase she used to be human, but she is able to live off of other animals. So one of things i am wondering is, if a Naga can survive without eating humans, why do they do it.

I suspect its the case that a naga can survive without eating humans, but all nagas could not. This could be for various reasons, but the easiest is that there simply isn't enough food for all nagas to survive without eating humans (I include humanoids with humans as well, because they're just humans with modifications really).

It's like us humans here on Earth and organic, non-genetically modified food. Some humans can survive on a diet that consisted purely of organically grown, non-gm food, but there simply isn't enough land space on the Earth for everyone to live that way. (Food that is both organically grown and not GM has a lower yield per acre than non-organically grown food and a lower yield than GM food.)

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Making long things short: I would highly recommend you to close the "hole" of Crisis eating babies. She is the character who represents Felarya the most. Every other character may do what he/she wants, but Crisis should show the way, Felarya is meant to be seen.

If I remember I didn't see any Karbo's picture where Crisis eats baby.
In my opinion it's not Karbo who have to close "hole" because it's not him who open it. You can ask him to write a story like a "Felaryan Aristocrats Joke" it's your choice and you must assume the consequence of your act. If you want to do it then do it but in other case Karbo is responsible of your story why he doesn't ask you to write this kind of scene, it's YOU and only YOU who writes the story.
You can answer by saying why he didn't oppose to that, it's because he trust in you enough to let you use his character, at this moment you are free to use them as you wish. He can give you his opinion but it's YOU who write the story not him.

All this thread start to tired me because it's become very pointless. Each story involving Karbo's characters who are not written by him, it shows the writer's view about Felarya's universe and its characters. Crisis is just a naga who doesn't have any super power or special ability, she is just a naga who lives following her instinct. She has her qualities and her flaws which make her real. In clear you can be shocked by some of her action but if you start to know the character you can't blame her for what she is. She is a naga and a predator nothing more, "why she eats humans?"

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A other argument is that humans are seen no different as other animals," why should we spare humans over everyone else, what makes them so special?"

Claire asks a good question.

Many people try to think with the logic on the Earth and try to apply to Felarya but you forget Felarya is not Earth. Different world=different view.
This creatures doesn't share or know the same value as us because they evolve in different world than us. And another point Felarya is a dangerous and wild envirronment so when a human come to this place he needs to be carefull.

To the scene about like predator attacking village, I'm not very fond of that, but this kind of things are very common so I suppose the nekos or humans have found organized themselves to put their children in safety when it happens. Like us when some crisis happen like earthquake, tsunami, or fire.

To conclude, I already see and read many fiction using famous characters from video games or Animes in fan fiction or in comics or Hentai where they were completely out of Characters. So I don't see why people are complaining here

gwadahunter2222 wrote:

If I remember I didn't see any Karbo's picture where Crisis eats baby.

I am not talking about opening a "hole". It was there from the beginning, it just was't spotted till now. Think of it as a opening in Windows, allowing Hackers to take control over your PC. But it was my fault, bad formulation.

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All this thread start to tired me because it's become very pointless.

This thread is tiring, annoying and many other thinks, but definitely not Pointless. As I tried to explain, this "hole" can be used to attack Karbo, Felarya and Vore as a whole. What I am trying to find so desperately the last two days is a way, to prevent an effective attack.

What is needed is a good explanation, why it would be ridiculous to think, Crisis does eat babies, even if her psychology should allow her to do it!

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Many people try to think with the logic on the Earth and try to apply to Felarya but you forget Felarya is not Earth. Different world=different view.

That's completely wrong. The essence of logic is that it works for every imaginable world. It's just the premises that need to be changed to "Felarya". Just read a book about it. I studied this stuff for a few years.

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This creatures doesn't share or know the same value as us because they evolve in different world than us.

Same mistake. How would you describe a world like Felarya, if there aren't any similarities to our own? A chair is a chair, no matter if we are in Felarya or real world. Just naming a chair "table" doesn't magically transform it into one.
Of course, Crisis and the other Felaryan inhabitants don't see human as "god's creature", but if we are serious, this isn't even the case in our real lifes. But I am not talking about normes, as in fact, every individual has it's own ones.

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To the scene about like predator attacking village, I'm not very fond of that, but this kind of things are very common so I suppose the nekos or humans have found organized themselves to put their children in safety when it happens. Like us when some crisis happen like earthquake, tsunami, or fire.

That's a good idea, and I will remember it. But the problem remains. What if they forgot one child?

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To conclude, I already see and read many fiction using famous characters from video games or Animes in fan fiction or in comics or Hentai where they were completely out of Characters. So I don't see why people are complaining here

That's a good point, too. We all know the many pictures of Tifa from FF gulping someone down (btw: they are great!). But unlike Crisis, Tifa already has her character established. There is the game (of course), a movie and a lot more, created by the producers themselves. You need to be a complete idiot to think Karbo's Tifa is the "real" Tifa and not Square's. (Still, this doesn't prevent people from being offended anyway). But unless you are already experienced in Felarya, would you be able to tell me which fan made story is the one, describing the real Crisis? Tell me how you pick the right one, when it actually seems, that booth are not in conflict with the information found in the pictures or the wiki! Remember, not everybody looks into this forum. Please tell me!

Personnaly nothing is to far when it comes to survival, I mean relly ask yourself, If you were trapped on an island with nothing to eat for 3 days your friends may start to look pretty tasty. WE all have a basic animalistic instinct to survive...to kill. No matter how much you deny it its there and will never go away. I also think that hey if the humans are stupid enough to walk into the woods with Nagas wandering around they deserve to be eaten for stupidity, where as a ninja who stealthily hides in the shadows eluding predators deserves to live because they at least try to go unnoticed whereas if a human walks out into the open with no camoflauge weapons, etc they should die.

Zoekin wrote:

I will never forgive myself for having Crisis eat a infant neko in my story.
My most heartfelt apologies.

I LIKE Crisis! I don't think she's evil or cold-hearted. I think she's a compasionate, kind and gentle lady-who just happens to be a super-predator and live by a harsh set of rules to survive. It's NOT like she can slither down to the supermarket!

Nevertheless-I promise here and now to NEVER write such stuff again! I have hurt my friend and I am deeply sorry!

*hugs a surprised Crisis*

You may never forgive yourself, but I will. I just wanted to say that. Nobody's perfect.

I also want to sincerely thank undersde, I can't thank you enough for what you said. I totally agree.

That having been said, I've waded into one too many controversies here, and am backing out of this before I piss someone off really bad.

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I am not talking about opening a "hole". It was there from the beginning, it just was't spotted till now. Think of it as a opening in Windows, allowing Hackers to take control over your PC. But it was my fault, bad formulation.

I have a good knowledge about computer don't worry

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That's completely wrong. The essence of logic is that it works for every imaginable world. It's just the premises that need to be changed to "Felarya". Just read a book about it. I studied this stuff for a few years.

Give me the name of the book please.
The logic can vary depending of the universe etc...
by example 1+1=2 it's not always true

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Same mistake. How would you describe a world like Felarya, if there aren't any similarities to our own? A chair is a chair, no matter if we are in Felarya or real world. Just naming a chair "table" doesn't transform it into one.

I see people use a "table" as a "chair" and a "chair" as "table"

Depending of the context and the situation a word can mean another things, by example "chair" can design "table" and "table" can mean "chair" depending of the culture. In many differents languages the same word is used to describe many different things.

In clear the concept of "chair" and "table" I see in many fairy tales, myth and stories where the writer plays with the meaning of the words to fool the readers. I remember an anime where two girls arrive in another world where they meet strange people who call them "humans" and they was completely different to the meaning of the humans.

You can find some similarities to a fictional universe to the real word but it won't be the real word, the similarities are just here to help the reader to understand the universe nothing more.

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That's a good point, too. We all know the many pictures of Tifa from FF gulping someone down (btw: they are great!). But unlike Crisis, Tifa already has her character established. There is the game (of course), a movie and a lot more, created by the producers themselves. You need to be a complete idiot to think Karbo's Tifa is the "real" Tifa and not Square's. (Still, this doesn't prevent people from being offended anyway). But unless you are already experienced in Felarya, would you be able to tell me which fan made story is the one, describing the real Crisis? Tell me how you pick the right one, when it actually seems, that booth are not in conflict with the information found in the pictures or the wiki! Remember, not everybody looks into this forum. Please tell me!

None of them, because each writer gives his/her vision of the characters nothing more. It's like the superheroes in american comics, even if they are established characters, their stories has been changed a countless time.

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That's a good idea, and I will remember it. But the problem remains. What if they forgot one child?

An accident may happen, the policemen don't always arrest the bad guy, the firemen don't always put out the fire, the doctors don't always cure everyone. It's the risk of the life.

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What is needed is a good explanation, why it would be ridiculous to think, Crisis does eat babies, even if her psychology should allow her to do it!

In the wild life, many young animals are killed by predators, Crisis in her youth was near to be killed by a Tonorion etc...

As explanation you can say Felarya is a perillous and dangerous worlds. The danger is everywhere, it's not Crisis's fault if she eats the baby, but the parents' fault. It's harsh to say that but it's the true. It's the duty of the parents to protect and raise their children.

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This thread is tiring, annoying and many other thinks, but definitely not Pointless. As I tried to explain, this "hole" can be used to attack Karbo, Felarya and Vore as a whole. What I am trying to find so desperately the last two days is a way, to prevent an effective attack.

I see many different reasons to attack someone or something,the letter sent to the mother of the President of Rockstar about the game GTA. The Fact J.K Rowlings said Dumbledore is gay etc...

Most of them are ridiculous, so if someone wants attack Karbo due to the book written by someone else about his universe...

I am closing the thread. It is going nowhere and starting to piss me off. I feel a general explanation will be needed soon about these forums...