Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea!

Subject: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:25 pm

Here's one.

Banya is more than just your average Dryad; she has at LEAST telepathic communication with any currently native Felaryan plant.

Banya is extremely ancient, having been in existence even far back before the rise of Ur Sagol. She has, over time, spread across the entire planet, spawning all kinds of native flora "children" who have evolved in many countless ways. Any non-native flora that has cross pollinated with her offshoots are also in the communication network; if she is not native to Felarya, then her ability to control all plants spawned by cross-pollination with her would also explain her growth. The Guardians never saw her or never considered her much of a threat, being a plant and all, even as she spread across the planet. This is because she declined to do anything beyond what any predator might do: randomly eat and only eat her fill. Even now, any direct attack by this Dryad (which almost never, ever happens nowadays) gets written off as "another one of those darned carnivorous plants just attacked again!" or something like that.

Through the plants of Felarya, though, she truly sees all and knows all that they see and know. She has spotted threats to Felarya - and thus, to herself - from the ground, and more than once has called out to the Guardians to respond; or, in some cases, she has taken control of a portion of the trillions of Felaryan flora to take care of the problem herself.

Not much of anything can stand against the full-blown wrath of this Dryad. For instance, as a direct result of the annihilation of Ur Sagol, the city was practically cursed, with vegetation unable or unwilling to grow back in the area. The devastation was so total that it wounded Banya - like planting a burning cigarette on one's thigh - and she got angry and retaliated, causing trouble all across Felarya. It was then that the Guardians stopped to actually pay attention to the true extent of Banya's previously innocuous omni-presence; now it became clear that even Quaz himself could not marshal an army big enough to stop a worldwide plant rebellion.

The Guardians planned a very harsh and brutal reaction, looking for a way to isolate Banya's spirit and kill her; but Nemyra quickly saw that Banya's spirit was everywhere, in every native plant and any plant born of cross-pollinations with her; meaning, almost every plant in Felarya, ever. Seeing that Banya's countless plants were regrowing when Quaz's insects destroyed or ate them, and Banya was regenerating by consuming insects and that this simmering cold war was warming up quickly, Trejal stepped in.

Trejal pointed out that the last time Banya was backed into a corner, she did in fact flee (either from the Guardians or the Titans?). She was forced out of the Akaptor region... and they all knew what Akaptor was now. The threat was, Banya's death would mean the deaths of all plants spawned of her spirit: meaning, most of Felarya would become a desert. The balance of Felarya would be more than disturbed by such a thing.

So Trejal approached Banya in spirit form and, with all the other Guardians at his side, negotiated a truce, preventing total war. Banya would be officially recognized as a Guardian and Banya would assist with keeping the balance.

Banya's powers are extensive even among Guardians. She can see anything through her plants. She holds no grudge against those who eat her plants, as long as great swaths of her "skin" are not ruined (as in, someone doesn't nuke a section of forest). She considers the daily consumption of plants nothing more than skin flakes falling off of one's body and knows that such things are part of the cycle of life. Native carnivorous flora that eat something contribute to her power, but she doesn't really bother to force it to happen. Banya doesn't actually look at adventurers and eat them arbitrarily; she doesn't even notice them until they let off some huge environmental catastrophe (nukes, for instance). She won't devour any whole villages, in fact she hardly even notices them any more than one would notice a bacterium on one's skin. Banya doesn't even care about loggers any more than one would care about a single body hair falling off. Of course, clear-cutting the equivalent of the Amazon Rainforest would alert her and she would take action. The truth is, Banya is just happy with subsisting off of the sunlight hitting millions of square miles of her surface area, and the reason her plants devour things is she leaves them to function on their own for the most part. But the Guardians know that if she is angered, they can all act with instant, worldwide coordination, much like Quaz and his insect army.

One danger that she does represent to invaders to Felarya is if her native plants do consume a new life form, its genetic material contributes to her ability to adapt. This is a major contributor to the sheer diversity of native flora in Felarya: For instance, the dusk lilly was her way of protecting herself from fairies, early on in her life; the Dryad itself was the result of her need to adapt to lumberjacks and plant-eating monsters during her more fragile youth; and the Hydra Tree was an adaptation that Banya came up with to deal with giant predators like Nagas. Hydra Trees are rare because after getting a taste of a few delicious Nagas, she declined to waste time sprouting more; that, and being a Guardian, she no longer desires to directly bother anyone unless greatly disturbed. After Ur Sagol, basically, Banya has not meddled in plant evolution (plants evolve on their own now), except to adapt to exotic invaders. Also, almost no one really knows about Banya. She's that subtle. She has powers that are not known to anyone, but which she keeps in reserve (such as outright mimicry).

Banya is of course the first responder when it comes to threats to Felarya's ecosystem, and a weapon of last resort when the whole planet is threatened. She is highly subtle, as opposed to her snap-turtle impulsive nature before she was brought into the fold. However, when overt force is needed, Banya has delivered: she once used her plants to put down an extra-dimensional Blitzkrieg from an alien mech army similar in size to the Miritans; her response was so quick and effective that Quaz didn't even have time to get many kills in with his army. Not much can survive when every blade of grass becomes a projectile weapon and every tree is hungry!

There is no known way to communicate with Banya; almost no one has even heard rumor of her existence. She is careful not to even inspire religious devotions, and any such cults only know of a "vague" concept of an environmental spirit, a "Mother Felarya". No one knows of Banya in particular, and she is bent on keeping it that way: another reason why she lets countless living things pluck her plants and eat them. However, one thing may give her away: when animals or humans clear out a small area of plants and leave without establishing a settlement, they may come back to find it has grown back.

It is possible for psionicists and mysticists to spot her, but how many of them exist in Felarya? Besides, "spotting" her is one thng, recognizing her amidst the endless expanse of plant souls all across Felarya is another; and recognizing them as part of a greater whole? Not even an epic mysticist or psionicist would be able to deduce that. Banya gives no clues to anyone but the Guardians that those souls are a part of her. Plus, the idea of a plant soul is deemed too preposterous to most; ignorance provides yet another layer of secrecy for this most ancient of beings.

Banya has grown a lot since Ur Sagol: she is aware of the nature of such events now and will consult with the other Guardians before taking action. Nevertheless, Banya is considered one of the definitions of ecological balance in Felarya, and Guardians wouldn't even think about putting her down, for fear of spending the next several thousand years nursing Felarya back to any credible semblance of ecological health.

Extra notes: Many people take Felaryan plants off-world when they leave; the only thing that stops Banya from spreading into and dominating other realms is the soil there does not give her immortality. Plus she'll lose connection with that other realm and said plants will mysteriously die, their seeds growing into plants that have no connection to her soul.

Subject: Re: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:52 pm

It's an interesting story but many inconsistencies, first all Banya is not really a dryad but a Bloom dryad a kind of elemental made of plant. You said the guardians didn't notice because she was not a threat but expanding like that it's obvious she become a direct threat to the other dryads and elementals who use plants or woods to make their body or any creature who have a strong bond physical, mental or magical with nature because she attempts to mind control them too. To spot her, it's possible to shamans, some mages or anyone who has some spiritual affinities can do that. About the guardians even if they don't want to kill her they can seal her and put her into a deep sleep as they did for Déméchrelle. I can conclude it's a plant version of Déméchrelle.

Subject: Re: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:11 pm

gwadahunter2222 wrote:: It's an interesting story but many inconsistencies, first all Banya is not really a dryad but a Bloom dryad a kind of elemental made of plant. You said the guardians didn't notice because she was not a threat but expanding like that it's obvious she become a direct threat to the other dryads and elementals who use plants or woods to make their body or any creature who have a strong bond physical, mental or magical with nature because she attempts to mind control them too.

Not really; she only controls that which is spawned from her. Namely all the seeds she has sprouted into flora, and the plants born from anything cross-pollinated with her. Banya rarely ever takes control of anything and can never take control of a plant not spawned by her. She has never liked being noticed, so she almost never REALLY did that before; she certainly does not do it now with nothing around to threaten her. In fact, she has no appetite for living things; her plants eat things because they have a remarkable sense of free will, because Banya lets them. If Banya were to be heavy handed and enforce her will upon her plants, they wouldn't eat anyone: it doesn't interest her.

Banya grew by sending out pollen, seeds, etc., and by cross pollinating with native and foreign flora. Now, ages later, almost all the existing plants come from her. New plants come in and drop pollen that mixes with hers and creates new "offspring" that she can (but almost never) control. So basically no one is threatened because they're her to begin with.

Now, if you were to have a non-native Dryad, Banya cannot control her. Elementals who use plants and woods to make their body cannot be controlled by Banya; they can be evicted, but she almost never ever ever does that. (Maybe one individual ever, every thousand or more years?) There is no need for her to bother elementals - they cannot do her any more harm than a single cell of amoeba can do to your skin. It doesn't matter how strong your bond with the wood is - if you were not spawned by Banya you can never ever not ever be controlled by Banya. If you are spawned by her then you have as close to a near-zero chance of being taken over to do her bidding as near-zero can get. Banya is an unknown force in Felarya and she aims to keep it that way. People notice plants acting out of character; and a ahaman would surely see the power surge of a plant being taken over.

Banya will marshal her plants when threatened; and by that I mean burning 200 sq miles of forest or dumping an absolutely ungodly amount of toxic waste into the rivers. But really, by then, the Guardians would already be on the scene. When Mercreti and Nemyra and other unknown all-powerful forces are blasting you you're not likely to even notice the plants in action.

Quote :: To spot her, it's possible to shamans, some mages or anyone who has some spiritual affinities can do that.

Spotting her is easy if you can see souls. Recognizing what/who she is is another story. She's everywhere that any native plant is; and she never makes waves. A Shaman might see her but when they call out to her she says nothing, not a whisper. You can see SOMETHING is there but it simply will not respond to you even if you start working the land around you. You can't even wake her up until you're slashing and burning forests but as I said by then the Guardians in general are on the scene.

Quote :: About the guardians even if they don't want to kill her they can seal her and put her into a deep sleep as they did for Déméchrelle. I can conclude it's a plant version of Déméchrelle.

Except Banya has no evil intents. She benefits from air breathing animals who feed her with carbon dioxide. She hasn't lived for so long by being stupid. Banya is for the most part symbiotic. Assuming Karbo deems her departure a worthy explanation for the Akaptor desert, the Guardians have already seen what happens when Banya goes "inactive": plants wither and die and deserts appear.

Subject: Re: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:15 pm

Raveolution wrote:: Not really; she only controls that which is spawned from her. Namely all the seeds she has sprouted into flora, and the plants born from anything cross-pollinated with her. Banya rarely ever takes control of anything and can never take control of a plant not spawned by her. She has never liked being noticed, so she almost never REALLY did that before; she certainly does not do it now with nothing around to threaten her. In fact, she has no appetite for living things; her plants eat things because they have a remarkable sense of free will, because Banya lets them. If Banya were to be heavy handed and enforce her will upon her plants, they wouldn't eat anyone: it doesn't interest her.

Banya grew by sending out pollen, seeds, etc., and by cross pollinating with native and foreign flora. Now, ages later, almost all the existing plants come from her. New plants come in and drop pollen that mixes with hers and creates new "offspring" that she can (but almost never) control. So basically no one is threatened because they're her to begin with.

So it's just a matter of time before all the plants of Felarya fall under her control native or not because she's constantly sending out pollen and it affect the natural development of the plants. And can her Pollen cross oceans,desserts and cold area?

Raveolution wrote:: Now, if you were to have a non-native Dryad, Banya cannot control her. Elementals who use plants and woods to make their body cannot be controlled by Banya; they can be evicted, but she almost never ever ever does that. (Maybe one individual ever, every thousand or more years?) There is no need for her to bother elementals - they cannot do her any more harm than a single cell of amoeba can do to your skin. It doesn't matter how strong your bond with the wood is - if you were not spawned by Banya you can never ever not ever be controlled by Banya. If you are spawned by her then you have as close to a near-zero chance of being taken over to do her bidding as near-zero can get. Banya is an unknown force in Felarya and she aims to keep it that way. People notice plants acting out of character; and a ahaman would surely see the power surge of a plant being taken over.

It's a bit vague to say you have to be a non-native to not be controlled by Banya due to her constant expanding nature because Felarya constantly borrowing land,fauna and Flora from many dimensions, the border is very thin between native and non-native. I doubt Banya is the first Dryad in Felarya what happen to the other Dryad native before her she killed them, or she takes the control of their daughter. Even if they are not controlled by her but they have to connect themselves to the nearby vegetation to control them in the same way Banya did because they are dryads like her and Banya is not a special dryad other point you compare the action of the elementals to an amoeba how can you be sure it will be always like that. If they start to expand and increase their number and take more of her what will happen.

Raveolution wrote:: Banya will marshal her plants when threatened; and by that I mean burning 200 sq miles of forest or dumping an absolutely ungodly amount of toxic waste into the rivers. But really, by then, the Guardians would already be on the scene. When Mercreti and Nemyra and other unknown all-powerful forces are blasting you you're not likely to even notice the plants in action.

It's not all the time the guardian are blasting people their intervention are very rare, less often than a new plant is brought in Felarya, they are more chance people notice Banya's action than the intervention of the guardian. The problem Felarya constantly borrows land to many dimension, a non-native race who bring plants from it's world or trade plants with other world it will be quickly noticed.

Raveolution wrote:: You can't even wake her up until you're slashing and burning forests but as I said by then the Guardians in general are on the scene.

In that case humans cannot build a city or develop agriculture without making her angry because they have to cut and burn wood and change to the land configuration to suit to their needs so Banya is a threat for any advanced race who modify the land to develop themselves.

Raveolution wrote:: Except Banya has no evil intents. She benefits from air breathing animals who feed her with carbon dioxide. She hasn't lived for so long by being stupid. Banya is for the most part symbiotic. Assuming Karbo deems her departure a worthy explanation for the Akaptor desert, the Guardians have already seen what happens when Banya goes "inactive": plants wither and die and deserts appear.

Sorry,even if she has a good will by expanding like that she progressively invade all the available space and letting few possibilities to the other species to develop themselves freely. Her action is a threat even if she is not conscious about that or possess a good will she's dangerous for the other specie. And someone who can feel what happen to any single plant in a world will start to have some resentment against anyone who harm them willingly or not. She is everywhere she can feel each time someone light a fire or cut wood to make wood construction and build a cities.

Subject: Re: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:05 pm

gwadahunter2222 wrote:: So it's just a matter of time before all the plants of Felarya fall under her control native or not because she's constantly sending out pollen and it affect the natural development of the plants.

She affects their plant-spawn if they cross-pollinate. If a plant cannot cross-pollinate then she has no control over their children.

gwadahunter2222 wrote:: It's a bit vague to say you have to be a non-native to not be controlled by Banya because Felarya constantly borrowing land,fauna and Flora from many dimensions, the border is very thin between native and non-native. I doubt Banya is the first Dryad in Felarya what happen to the other Dryad native before her she killed them, or she control their daughter.

Banya would not kill a Dryad. If a Dryad came from another realm and no one killed her, she's still there, and quite independent. Their daughter Dryad may not be controlled if there was no cross-pollination. But if there was cross-pollination, the daughter dryad is part of Banya.

You can get around the Banya issue by saying there was no cross-pollination between her and said plant.

gwadahunter2222 wrote:: It's not all the time the guardian are blasting people their intervention are very rare, less often than a new plant is brought in Felarya, they are more chance people notice Banya's action than the intervention of the guardian.

Banya doesn't act often. And I never said Guardians are always blasting people; they only come when you devastate a huge tract of ecosystem. I assume that destruction of land great enough to attract Guardians is extremely rare. An equal amount of devastation would be required to get on Banya's nerves.

gwadahunter2222 wrote:: The problem Felarya constantly borrows land to many dimension, a non-native race who bring plants from it's world or trade plants with other world it will be quickly noticed.

Okay, they might see the difference between the giant mass of plant soul on Felarya and the soul of the plant they're bringing in. But Banya would never attack a foreign plant. She would never oppose a new plant taking root in Felaryan soil. She has no reason to.

gwadahunter2222 wrote:: You can't even wake her up until you're slashing and burning forests but as I said by then the Guardians in general are on the scene.

In that case humans cannot build a city or develop agriculture without making her angry because they have to cut and burn wood and change to the land configuration to suit to their needs so Banya is a threat for any advanced race who modify the land to develop themselves.[/quote]
She knows the difference between agriculture, human settlements and total deforestation. And like I said, if the level of sheer destruction isn't enough to piss off the Guardians, it's not going to bother her. ESPECIALLY now when she's in The Club[tm] and knows The Rules[tm].

gwadahunter2222 wrote:: Sorry,even if she has a good will by expanding like that she progressively invade all the available space and letting few possibilities to the other species to develop freely. Her action is a threat even if she is not conscious about that or possess a good will she's dangerous for the other specie.

If that were the case then the existing plants would already be a hindrance to other species developing freely. You're talking about overcrowding, right? Banya does not sit there looking for new places to go to; her plants release seeds and spores and they go where the birds, sandals and wind take them. If something cross-pollinates with her, she acquires that plant's genetics and the new plant is a part of her; but newcomer plants aren't pushed out. She doesn't want to be seen and pushing out other species is a good way to be seen. Plus she'd say it's rude!

Subject: Re: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:10 pm

Quote :: And someone who can feel what happen to any single plant in a world will start to have some resentment against anyone who harm them willingly or not.

Um, there are a lot of instincts that are handwaved away in Felarya; but in this case there's a reason for why she wouldn't care.

Quote :: She is everywhere she can feel each time someone light a fire or cut wood to make wood construction and build a cities.

Just like we feel the growth of bacteria on our skin? Do you feel the harm done to you when a hair falls off your arm? Do you feel a skin flake flying off?

To hurt Banya you need to do something bad enough to rouse the other Guardians. Perhaps 200 sq miles is not enough.

Subject: Re: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:04 pm

Raveolution wrote:: Um, there are a lot of instincts that are handwaved away in Felarya; but in this case there's a reason for why she wouldn't care.

I would like to know it Wink

Raveolution wrote:: Just like we feel the growth of bacteria on our skin? Do you feel the harm done to you when a hair falls off your arm? Do you feel a skin flake flying off?

When you start to feel them it doesn't mean they are not affecting you. You can have a skin cancer just by sun exposure. There are different type of skin infections and there are numerous, even if you don't feel it doesn't mean you are not infected because when you notice it the state of the infections is very advanced.
In overall to prevent a bacterial bacteria infection you have to take a bath and have a good hygiene, you have no idea how wash your skin with a good soap protect your skin Cool

Raveolution wrote:: To hurt Banya you need to do something bad enough to rouse the other Guardians. Perhaps 200 sq miles is not enough.

There are cities, road and other construction made by humans which are bigger or longer than 200 sq miles. I think Banya was angry when Ur-Sagol started to become very big and not because the Guardians wiped the town and the vegetation couldn't grow again.

Edit: when we started to study the bacterias even if we cannot feel them most of the time, we noticed their actions on us cannot be neglected Wink

Subject: Re: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:00 am

gwadahunter2222 wrote:

Raveolution wrote:: Um, there are a lot of instincts that are handwaved away in Felarya; but in this case there's a reason for why she wouldn't care.

I would like to know it Wink

Raveolution wrote:: Just like we feel the growth of bacteria on our skin? Do you feel the harm done to you when a hair falls off your arm? Do you feel a skin flake flying off?

When you start to feel them it doesn't mean they are not affecting you. You can have a skin cancer just by sun exposure. There are different type of skin infections and there are numerous, even if you don't feel it doesn't mean you are not infected because when you notice it the state of the infections is very advanced.
In overall to prevent a bacterial bacteria infection you have to take a bath and have a good hygiene, you have no idea how wash your skin with a good soap protect your skin Cool

But on Felarya such things automatically heal. Which is why, unless some really big ecological catastrophe hits all at once, Banya ain't gonna notice; but by then the other Guardians would notice, too.

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Raveolution wrote:: To hurt Banya you need to do something bad enough to rouse the other Guardians. Perhaps 200 sq miles is not enough.

There are cities, road and other construction made by humans which are bigger or longer than 200 sq miles. I think Banya was angry when Ur-Sagol started to become very big and not because the Guardians wiped the town and the vegetation couldn't grow again.

Nope. She knows the difference between a city and a level of devastation that won't let her grow back. Ur Sagol is built upon her, she looks up, sees it's a city, shrugs and spews pollen elsewhere. She may even grow plants inside Ur Sagol - plants as you know still grow in (and under, see: tree roots) a total concrete jungle. She's a plant spirit, not an idiot. Very Happy

But when Ur Sagol was b**ch slapped out of existence, she could not grow back - this was some kind of sudden magical devastation of great magnitude.

Also consider that Ur Sagol appeared slowly. It was not built in a day; but its destruction came in all of a day. To put this in the perspective of a bacteria analogy, it's not like Ur Sagol's creation was like the Blob hitting you in the arm: but Ur Sagol's sudden annihilation would be.

Quote :: Edit: when we started to study the bacterias even if we cannot feel them most of the time, we noticed their actions on us cannot be neglected

Yes, and we know that bacteria sometimes grows until it kills us. So we wash. Negav City won't grow until it kills Banya - she's intelligent enough to let these nourishing sources of carbon dioxide flourish within those walls. Plus, Negav City is scared to expand for fear of angering the Guardians they know about.

Which is the other thing about her not destroying cities built upon her: they're full of creatures that breathe CO2 which she might perhaps need in order to breathe. (As you know, plants use CO2.) This is why big cities are not entirely like bacteria, at least not like harmful ones.

Subject: Re: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:06 am

Raveolution wrote:: But on Felarya such things automatically heal.

I quote the wiki.

wiki wrote:: However, while the soil can help guard against some types of harmful things, there are those it cannot. Among these are parasitic and fungal infections, poisons, venom, curses, hexes, and morning breath. Rumors of some drawbacks to these effects circulate as well.

Some skin infections are fungal or parasitic so you can have one in Felarya Wink

Raveolution wrote:: Which is why, unless some really big ecological catastrophe hits all at once, Banya ain't gonna notice; but by then the other Guardians would notice, too.

I will ask you what is the real utilities of a being like Banya, the guardians have a role and fulfil correctly, Banya is nothing than a normal dryad you overpowered to mimic Avatar, she is not the mother nature because she is not at the origin of the vegetation of Felarya she is just forcing all flora to merge with her. She expand beyond her natural needs and you want the guardians won't notice her because she has a "good will". You are naive, her action doesn't distinguish her from Déméchrelle, it can be an army of carebear or zombies an invasion remain an invasion no matter the reason and who is behind it.

Raveolution wrote:: Nope. She knows the difference between a city and a level of devastation that won't let her grow back. Ur Sagol is built upon her, she looks up, sees it's a city, shrugs and spews pollen elsewhere.She may even grow plants inside Ur Sagol - plants as you know still grow in (and under, see: tree roots) a total concrete jungle. She's a plant spirit, not an idiot. But when Ur Sagol was b**ch slapped out of existence, she could not grow back - this was some kind of sudden magical devastation of great magnitude.

A devastation is not only imminent but can be run in long term. The impact on a big cities on the flora are more devastating than a huge blast, the fact the guardians annihilated Ur-Sagol because she knows the nature and the role of the guardians. A big cities is a poison for creature like her which can be more painful than a huge blast. Indeed the blast the guardians did was painful to her they don't do it for any reasons. It's kind of destruction happen rarely next to a cities which are constantly poisoning you. She won't be able to grow plant in Ur-Sagol as she want, because Unless the inhabitants abandon the town, plant grow in small restricted area and when they become cumbersome we cut them to a reasonable size or use chemical products to stop theirs expansion, their growth is controlled. A being who expand freely without meeting any resistance won't accept that to be restricted to a small area no matter how good her will can be. Even if she dies I doubt the world will be turn into a desert because she is a plant but not the ground. Until the soil keep its fertilities a new vegetation can grow back and fill the gap she let. She is not the mean spirit of the plant but just a big one.

Raveolution wrote:: Also consider that Ur Sagol appeared slowly. It was not built in a day; but its destruction came in all of a day.

It's like that work a bacterial infection, they are not doing a imminent destruction but a long term poisoning which will kill you slowly but surely. A infection doesn't start when you are sick but many times before. It's a long term destruction.

Raveolution wrote:: To put this in the perspective of a bacteria analogy, it's not like Ur Sagol's creation was like the Blob hitting you in the arm: but Ur Sagol's sudden annihilation would be.

You have a misconception on a bacterial infection, the blob it's a sci-fi monster not a real bacterial infection. To come back the expansion of cities the transformation when you see what they were at the beginning and what they become their is a huge difference. A expanding cities can become very problematic for her become they let her few space to to act and the pollution are real poison for her. She won't die immediately but she will be sick during a long period.

Raveolution wrote:: Yes, and we know that bacteria sometimes grows until it kills us. So we wash. Negav City won't grow until it kills Banya - she's intelligent enough to let these nourishing sources of carbon dioxide flourish within those walls. Plus, Negav City is scared to expand for fear of angering the Guardians they know about.

But not to fear Banya. In clear if people of Negav didn't fear what happen to U-rSagol, if Negav want to expand they don't care about her but more about the guardians. Banya is nothing for them.

Raveolution wrote:: Which is the other thing about her not destroying cities built upon her: they're full of creatures that breathe CO2 which she might perhaps need in order to breathe. (As you know, plants use CO2.) This is why big cities are not entirely like bacteria, at least not like harmful ones.

Sorry but you only restrict your view on the CO2, plant don't need only CO2, the fresh water and the nutritive substance inside the ground. In modern construction, the chemical product use during on the ground are poison for plants. The waste of the city are real poison for the local flora. Even if they emit CO2 they emit poison too. You should really learn the impact can have a city on a the environment you.Yeah she has more CO2 but she is constantly sick due to the activities of the town.

Subject: Re: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:52 am

gwadahunter2222 wrote:: I will ask you what is the real utilities of a being like Banya, the guardians have a role and fulfil correctly, Banya is nothing than a normal dryad you overpowered to mimic Avatar, she is not the mother nature because she is not at the origin of the vegetation of Felarya she is just forcing all flora to merge with her. She expand beyond her natural needs and you want the guardians won't notice her because she has a "good will". You are naive, her action doesn't distinguish her from Déméchrelle, it can be an army of carebear or zombies an invasion remain an invasion no matter the reason and who is behind it.

We want to be careful about making felarya too much like pandora. Most fantasy universes have things like massive trees, and any other kind of feature that is massive so it stands out from the rest (mount hyjal in WoW Razz

), but pandora is annoyingly similar to felarya.

Besides, the guardians can destroy worlds anyway, I still doubt they'd have much of a problem with Banya.

gwadahunter wrote:: You should really learn the impact can have a city on a the environment you.

XD typing too fast? I think you meant "you should really learn the impact that a city can have on the environment"

Subject: Re: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:09 am

Archmage_Bael wrote:: We want to be careful about making felarya too much like pandora. Most fantasy universes have things like massive trees, and any other kind of feature that is massive so it stands out from the rest (mount hyjal in WoW ), but pandora is annoyingly similar to felarya.

Except Banya is not a massive tree, she's a dryad which expand herself and takes progressively the control of all the plant, she's not a kind of yggrasil or a world tree that support the world but an overgrown dryad who had affected all the other plant life. She is not the origin of the plant life because the plant life existed before and outside her and will still exist after her. She is not the mother nature of Felarya.

Archmage_Bael wrote:: Besides, the guardians can destroy worlds anyway, I still doubt they'd have much of a problem with Banya.

But his creator wants she opposed to the guardians because she can't grow back where Ur-Sagol has been destroyed knowing Ur-Sagol was threatening the entire world of Felarya including herself, so she didn't act to prevent that but she wants to blame the guardians for their actions. If she is as wise as her creator wants to make us believe she will approve it because she knows the consequence will be more dramatic than she can grow back in a small area.

Archmage_Bael wrote:

gwadahunter wrote:: You should really learn the impact can have a city on a the environment you.

XD typing too fast? I think you meant "you should really learn the impact that a city can have on the environment"

thanks for the grammar correction Very Happy

Subject: Re: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:12 pm

lol. no problem. my intention was actually to use similies to agree with you >.<

Subject: Re: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:41 pm

Archmage_Bael wrote:: We want to be careful about making felarya too much like pandora. Most fantasy universes have things like massive trees, and any other kind of feature that is massive so it stands out from the rest (mount hyjal in WoW ), but pandora is annoyingly similar to felarya.

Besides, the guardians can destroy worlds anyway, I still doubt they'd have much of a problem with Banya.

Guardians can destroy worlds; but would they? And more importantly would they mind doing serious damage to their own world? I mean, far greater than Ur Sagol, and all that. I think it's logical that Trejal stepped in and appealed to everyone's reasoning. He is the great negotiator and all that. The end result being they now have another really powerful club member who's in on protecting Felarya.

gwadahunter2222 wrote:

Archmage_Bael wrote:: We want to be careful about making felarya too much like pandora. Most fantasy universes have things like massive trees, and any other kind of feature that is massive so it stands out from the rest (mount hyjal in WoW ), but pandora is annoyingly similar to felarya.

Except Banya is not a massive tree, she's a dryad which expand herself and takes progressively the control of all the plant, she's not a kind of yggrasil or a world tree that support the world but an overgrown dryad who had affected all the other plant life. She is not the origin of the plant life because the plant life existed before and outside her and will still exist after her. She is not the mother nature of Felarya.

She isn't the mother of nature on Felarya but she feeds countless living things. If anything she probably drops more fruits now than ever. She needs CO2-exhaling organisms. Both sides benefit.

And Pandora is much like Felarya; Felarya was there before the movie came out (although not there before the screenplay).

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Archmage_Bael wrote:: Besides, the guardians can destroy worlds anyway, I still doubt they'd have much of a problem with Banya.

But his creator wants she opposed to the guardians because she can't grow back where Ur-Sagol has been destroyed knowing Ur-Sagol was threatening the entire world of Felarya including herself, so she didn't act to prevent that but she wants to blame the guardians for their actions. If she is as wise as her creator wants to make us believe she will approve it because she knows the consequence will be more dramatic than she can grow back in a small area.

I thought I at least implied that she did not know about the Guardians before Ur Sagol. She had no idea who kicked her in the shins at that point. Afterwards as I said she knows all what is up. I intentionally didn't start out her earlier history as all knowing and all wise, but she would be quite close to all-knowing now; from what she knows now she would approve of the destruction of Ur Sagol - in fact, she might have taken them out herself if she had paid better attention to their actions back then. Back then she could have easily eaten the entire city in a day.

Subject: Re: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:20 pm

Raveolution wrote:: Guardians can destroy worlds; but would they? And more importantly would they mind doing serious damage to their own world? I mean, far greater than Ur Sagol, and all that. I think it's logical that Trejal stepped in and appealed to everyone's reasoning. He is the great negotiator and all that.

People of Ur-Sagol felt there was privileged and thought they were superior to anyone else even the Guardians do you think people can be reasoned easily? Do you think the guardians didn't think or try other options before? Did Ur-Sagol didn't force them to act like that? you didn't know. You are just saying there are maybe another solution but did the context allow it? It's easy to say there is another solution but when we didn't know the exact situation you are just claiming it's possible but all you know are only few details you heard and read from tales but they don't give all the solutions.

Raveolution wrote:: The end result being they now have another really powerful club member who's in on protecting Felarya.

It was the case about the Titans and look what happened.

Raveolution wrote:: She isn't the mother of nature on Felarya but she feeds countless living things. If anything she probably drops more fruits now than ever. She needs CO2-exhaling organisms. Both sides benefit

A plant doesn't need only CO2 but fresh water and nutritive substance of the ground, a fruits take time to mature. Even if how big they are it won't be enough and if you want people knows her for fruit there is no need to make her so powerful and big. It's ridiculous because she will start to to deplete progressively the resources water and the ground which won't few possibilities of development to the flora to develop. An itensive production from a dryad of her size can be disastrous to both sides in the end.

Raveolution wrote:: And Pandora is much like Felarya; Felarya was there before the movie came out (although not there before the screenplay).

The script of the movie has been written by James Cameron in 1994, he planned to do it after Titannic it was 1996. So the idea of is older than that and very common.

Raveolution wrote:: I thought I at least implied that she did not know about the Guardians before Ur Sagol. She had no idea who kicked her in the shins at that point. Afterwards as I said she knows all what is up. I intentionally didn't start out her earlier history as all knowing and all wise, but she would be quite close to all-knowing now; from what she knows now she would approve of the destruction of Ur Sagol - in fact, she might have taken them out herself if she had paid better attention to their actions back then. Back then she could have easily eaten the entire city in a day.

Everyone knows Ur-Sagol was destroyed by the Guardians, they assured everyone know and they don't hide it. This event is very famous among many races and other living being. So a being with a such omnipresence will be among the first people who know it. And even if she didn't know when she starts to get mad the guardians will just say it was them who did and she will calm herself.

Subject: Re: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:07 pm

gwadahunter2222 wrote:

Raveolution wrote:: Guardians can destroy worlds; but would they? And more importantly would they mind doing serious damage to their own world? I mean, far greater than Ur Sagol, and all that. I think it's logical that Trejal stepped in and appealed to everyone's reasoning. He is the great negotiator and all that.

People of Ur-Sagol felt there was privileged and thought they were superior to anyone else even the Guardians do you think people can be reasoned easily? Do you think the guardians didn't think or try other options before? Did Ur-Sagol didn't force them to act like that? you didn't know. You are just saying there are maybe another solution but did the context allow it? It's easy to say there is another solution but when we didn't know the exact situation you are just claiming it's possible but all you know are only few details you heard and read from tales but they don't give all the solutions.

I was not talking about reasoning or negotiating with Ur Sagol. I was talking about Banya.

Quote :: A plant doesn't need only CO2 but fresh water and nutritive substance of the ground, a fruits take time to mature.

But I never said or implied that a plant only needs CO2. But CO2 is a necessary part of photosynthesis, right? I'm looking right at it in Encyclopedia Brittanica... just to make sure.

Quote :: Even if how big they are it won't be enough and if you want people knows her for fruit there is no need to make her so powerful and big. It's ridiculous because she will start to to deplete progressively the resources water and the ground which won't few possibilities of development to the flora to develop. An itensive production from a dryad of her size can be disastrous to both sides in the end.

She doesn't consume more resources or produce more spores per plant than any other plant. You greatly overstate what such a being would take out of the ecosystem. She would be especially careful not to drain the ecosystem because she likes new things to cross-pollinate with. Existing flora will still evolve and provide her with exciting new genetic material during cross-pollination. Think exogamy for plants.

Banya's growth across the ecosystem is no different than other plants doing the same thing. Many species of plants are downright intrusive, like weeds, which Banya is not. Ironically her name comes from "Banyan vines" which themselves are more aggressive than she is. Heck, many deadly foreign carnivorous vines attach right to trees under her control, taking them over, and she lets them because it's too minor to notice. Take the Arch Devil for instance. Banya doesn't even bother when its spores invade one of her trees.

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Raveolution wrote:: And Pandora is much like Felarya; Felarya was there before the movie came out (although not there before the screenplay).

The script of the movie has been written by James Cameron in 1994, he planned to do it after Titannic it was 1996. So the idea of is older than that and very common.

That's why I said "although not there before the screenplay". It is reasonable to say that Karbo did not get his idea for Felarya from Avatar. Unless of course he read the screenplay...

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Raveolution wrote:: I thought I at least implied that she did not know about the Guardians before Ur Sagol. She had no idea who kicked her in the shins at that point. Afterwards as I said she knows all what is up. I intentionally didn't start out her earlier history as all knowing and all wise, but she would be quite close to all-knowing now; from what she knows now she would approve of the destruction of Ur Sagol - in fact, she might have taken them out herself if she had paid better attention to their actions back then. Back then she could have easily eaten the entire city in a day.

Everyone knows Ur-Sagol was destroyed by the Guardians, they assured everyone know and they don't hide it.

I didn't say that was untrue. I said that if Banya wanted to, and she knew then what she knows now, she would have done it herself. But she didn't know, so I never said she took them down.

Quote :: This event is very famous among many races and other living being. So a being with a such omnipresence will be among the first people who know it.

But she still didn't know about them before this famous event. She knew about them after. Which made negotiating with her that much easier.

Quote :: And even if she didn't know when she starts to get mad the guardians will just say it was them who did and she will calm herself.

Now that she knows about them she will. "Ouch! Oh, it's you guys. Okiedokie. need any help? No? Okay. *snore*" (Assuming she hasn't already seen the event that CAUSED the Guardians to show up and didn't already sound the alarm.)

Subject: Re: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:13 pm

Raveolution wrote:: I was not talking about reasoning or negotiating with Ur Sagol. I was talking about Banya.

I think they will dissuade her to expand too much and make take conscious how her grow can be disastrous for the whole world and they will force to act to stop her. So she will have the choice between if she is good will as you pretend, she will start to limit her expansion, reduce her influence to let the other plant to develop and limit herself to a suitable zone and don't try to not expand beyond her need. Or they can prevent her to expand like that and assure she doesn't affect to much and her influence is limited to a specific area without she notices it. There is no need she becomes this big. They won't let her to become too much powerful, it's too risky.

Raveolution wrote:: But I never said or implied that a plant only needs CO2. But CO2 is a necessary part of photosynthesis, right? I'm looking right at it in Encyclopedia Brittanica... just to make sure.

In that case you add the sunlight and water, and if works only the day the night plant breath oxygen and emit CO2. The photosynthesis is not the work of only one plant or tree, and to increase the production, the plant need larger leaf, larger leaf need more resource and water for the plant. What she need more it's water and nutritive elements from the ground in top priority because to make bigger leaf to be able to deal with a large amount of CO2

Raveolution wrote:: She doesn't consume more resources or produce more spores per plant than any other plant. You greatly overstate what such a being would take out of the ecosystem. She would be especially careful not to drain the ecosystem because she likes new things to cross-pollinate with. Existing flora will still evolve and provide her with exciting new genetic material during cross-pollination. Think exogamy for plants.

If she doesn't consume more resource as normal plant and breed to a normal, she cannot expand that big unless she is the only dryad who do that but it's not the case even if it happen many millennia you will find other dryads like her, her case cannot be unique. And even if she does cross-pollinate with the other plant she cannot override the whole specie, it will create a new sub-specie but the original specie will still develop and give other subspecies. Even if exogamy gives new material, the old one doesn't completely disappear it start to evolve and give other subspecies so new material different that the previous one. And all these things can be done in a particular area without involving the whole plant life of Felarya, any dryad in her area can do that without necessary to expand like that. It doesn't have to include the whole world.

Raveolution wrote:: Banya's growth across the ecosystem is no different than other plants doing the same thing. Many species of plants are downright intrusive, like weeds, which Banya is not. Ironically her name comes from "Banyan vines" which themselves are more aggressive than she is. Heck, many deadly foreign carnivorous vines attach right to trees under her control, taking them over, and she lets them because it's too minor to notice. Take the Arch Devil for instance. Banya doesn't even bother when its spores invade one of her trees.

The origin of her name won't change nothing and can other plant expand and take the control of other plant and become a whole ecosystem? Why it doesn't happen it's because the concurrence between the vegetation and the ground condition limit all of that. When a tree expand it's root it has strong chance to meet the root of another tree or the ground condition stop its expansion. Your Banya ignore all of that expand to become and start to affect the whole plant life which a potential risk for her other sister and the world itself.

Raveolution wrote:: That's why I said "although not there before the screenplay". It is reasonable to say that Karbo did not get his idea for Felarya from Avatar. Unless of course he read the screenplay...

You have the point here.

Raveolution wrote:: I didn't say that was untrue. I said that if Banya wanted to, and she knew then what she knows now, she would have done it herself. But she didn't know, so I never said she took them down.

Raveolution wrote:: But she still didn't know about them before this famous event. She knew about them after. Which made negotiating with her that much easier.

Raveolution wrote:: Now that she knows about them she will. "Ouch! Oh, it's you guys. Okiedokie. need any help? No? Okay. *snore*" (Assuming she hasn't already seen the event that CAUSED the Guardians to show up and didn't already sound the alarm.)

I will answer to these three quote at the same time this can't happen for the main reason the guardian won't let a creature expand and assimilate all the life form, the consequence can be too disastrous. Even if she didn't know the existence of the guardians the opposite it's not true. The case of Banya cannot be unique among the plant life because she is not the only dryad or life form having telepathic bonds with plant in Felarya. Even if you claim she has a good will but if she expands to much her presence can be problematic in overall.

Subject: Re: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:08 am

gwadahunter2222 wrote:

Raveolution wrote:: I was not talking about reasoning or negotiating with Ur Sagol. I was talking about Banya.

I think they will dissuade her to expand too much and make take conscious how her grow can be disastrous for the whole world and they will force to act to stop her. So she will have the choice between if she is good will as you pretend, she will start to limit her expansion, reduce her influence to let the other plant to develop and limit herself to a suitable zone and don't try to not expand beyond her need. Or they can prevent her to expand like that and assure she doesn't affect to much and her influence is limited to a specific area without she notices it. There is no need she becomes this big. They won't let her to become too much powerful, it's too risky.

Okay, and how does a plant spirit having control over so many plants endanger anything more than Quaz having control over so many insects?

Quote :: In that case you add the sunlight and water, and if works only the day the night plant breath oxygen and emit CO2. The photosynthesis is not the work of only one plant or tree, and to increase the production, the plant need larger leaf, larger leaf need more resource and water for the plant. What she need more it's water and nutritive elements from the ground in top priority because to make bigger leaf to be able to deal with a large amount of CO2

Wait up. Why would she need to increase production? Why can't she do just fine with plants being regular size? We're talking billions of otherwise individual plants turning CO2, light and water into food. Banya would sustain herself from sheer surface area. And I hope I didn't just read you saying that plants emit CO2...

Quote :: If she doesn't consume more resource as normal plant and breed to a normal, she cannot expand that big unless she is the only dryad who do that but it's not the case even if it happen many millennia you will find other dryads like her, her case cannot be unique.

It could be unique if she came to Felarya as a foreigner. That does happen; unique beings do exist there. And why can't she expand without a normal intake of energy? She releases spores and cross-pollinates. She's basically giving birth to plants that then grow using what normal plants would use to grow. Aside from her spirit being in the plant it's just an individual plant with no greater needs than an identical plant sitting right next to it.

If she ran into another plant spirit like herself, heck, they might merge into a new consciousness. Or intertwine. (One thing you'll never see Banya merge with is weeds. She avoids them and thinks they're too greedy.)

Quote :: And even if she does cross-pollinate with the other plant she cannot override the whole specie, it will create a new sub-specie but the original specie will still develop and give other subspecies. Even if exogamy gives new material, the old one doesn't completely disappear it start to evolve and give other subspecies so new material different that the previous one. And all these things can be done in a particular area without involving the whole plant life of Felarya, any dryad in her area can do that without necessary to expand like that. It doesn't have to include the whole world.

Banya isn't about making any species disappear. You're adding things to her nature that simply are not there.

Quote :: The origin of her name won't change nothing and can other plant expand and take the control of other plant and become a whole ecosystem? Why it doesn't happen it's because the concurrence between the vegetation and the ground condition limit all of that. When a tree expand it's root it has strong chance to meet the root of another tree or the ground condition stop its expansion. Your Banya ignore all of that expand to become and start to affect the whole plant life which a potential risk for her other sister and the world itself.

But no one else like her has shown up. She doesn't grow super huge roots; she spawns new plants or cross-pollinates. There's no one big superhuge world-consuming tree that is her. If she meets another tree she doesn't choke it out of the ecosystem. In fact because she didn't want to be seen, she probably goes out of her way to avoid doing so.

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Raveolution wrote:: I didn't say that was untrue. I said that if Banya wanted to, and she knew then what she knows now, she would have done it herself. But she didn't know, so I never said she took them down.

Raveolution wrote:: But she still didn't know about them before this famous event. She knew about them after. Which made negotiating with her that much easier.

Raveolution wrote:: Now that she knows about them she will. "Ouch! Oh, it's you guys. Okiedokie. need any help? No? Okay. *snore*" (Assuming she hasn't already seen the event that CAUSED the Guardians to show up and didn't already sound the alarm.)

I will answer to these three quote at the same time this can't happen for the main reason the guardian won't let a creature expand and assimilate all the life form, the consequence can be too disastrous. Even if she didn't know the existence of the guardians the opposite it's not true. The case of Banya cannot be unique among the plant life because she is not the only dryad or life form having telepathic bonds with plant in Felarya. Even if you claim she has a good will but if she expands to much her presence can be problematic in overall.

If she was muscling away other species as you insist upon believing, then hell yes the Guardians would not let her expand like that.

And it is entirely possible that she might be asked to limit her growth after Ur Sagol, and she might have complied.

Subject: Re: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:17 am

Raveolution wrote:: Okay, and how does a plant spirit having control over so many plants endanger anything more than Quaz having control over so many insects?

Does Banya is the queen of all the plant? No because you state after that she is a foreigner specie from another world. About Quaz, does it merge with all the insect to make a unique entity or he called them in Battle as a king rise its army? Does Quaz is breeding with all the insects? Does Quaz control 24/7 the insects life? There are many different between them, and not only due to the fact one is a guardian. We can say the same thing for Nemyra She is the Queen of all the fairies but she is not all the fairies in a one in unique entities. For both Quaz and Nemyra even if they are the rulers and emblematic figure of their species but not the fusion of all of them. They exist as a different entity from their subject. In the case of Banya, the plants are not her subject but a part of her, it's not many plants which are endangering but the body of the same entity. Even if the queen of the bees dies her swarm continues to exist and a new queen arise.

Raveolution wrote:: Wait up. Why would she need to increase production? Why can't she do just fine with plants being regular size? We're talking billions of otherwise individual plants turning CO2, light and water into food. Banya would sustain herself from sheer surface area.

There is a huge difference between a billions of plants which are distinct entities with their own body a single creature whose the whole body is made with billion of many bodies like Banya By adding all the plant which are part of her you will obtain the same results as many different entities for only the same entity. As a single entity with different bodies her global consummation is the equivalent of many different ones with one body.

Raveolution wrote:: And I hope I didn't just read you saying that plants emit CO2...

I quote wikipedia:

wikipedia wrote:: utrients commonly used by animal and plant cells in respiration include glucose, amino acids and fatty acids, and a common oxidizing agent (electron acceptor) is molecular oxygen (O2). Bacteria and archaea can also be lithotrophs and these organisms may respire using a broad range of inorganic molecules as electron donors and acceptors, such as sulfur, metal ions, methane or hydrogen. Organisms that use oxygen as a final electron acceptor in respiration are described as aerobic, while those that do not are referred to as anaerobic[.

Photosynthesis is not and cannot be considered as the respiration of the plant it can only perform during daytime and as any living being plant do Cellular respiration so emits CO2 as any living being.

Raveolution wrote:: It could be unique if she came to Felarya as a foreigner. That does happen; unique beings do exist there. And why can't she expand without a normal intake of energy? She releases spores and cross-pollinates. She's basically giving birth to plants that then grow using what normal plants would use to grow. Aside from her spirit being in the plant it's just an individual plant with no greater needs than an identical plant sitting right next to it.

In all the process you describe it won't change it's the same entity which are attempting to expand itself by slowly hijacking local and other foreign flora, it's not a reproduction where it divides itself to give birth to a new and different entities with their own free will and independent. Banya is invading the local flora by mixing with them to make them a part of her not to give new different species. She doesn't give birth to new lives but assimilate the existing ones it to herself. As a foreigner she will become suspicious and draw quickly the attention of the guardians where a non-native.

Raveolution wrote:: If she ran into another plant spirit like herself, heck, they might merge into a new consciousness. Or intertwine.(One thing you'll never see Banya merge with is weeds. She avoids them and thinks they're too greedy.)

The spirits don't systematically merge into one if it was true all the elemental will progressively become the same entity, there are many powerful spirits who prefers to keep their individualities. By acting like she just shows how greedy she is because she doesn't share her power with her own children or doesn't trust them enough.

Raveolution wrote:: Banya isn't about making any species disappear. You're adding things to her nature that simply are not there.

Why she does she merges with the whole race by breeding with them which is not true because she is making them a part of her and not giving birth to a new species it's not fusion or symbiotic relation but absorption. The plant stop to exist as individual specie to become a part of Banya. She didn't fusion but assimilate other species to her own body. I'm not adding thing I'm just noticed it.

Raveolution wrote:: But no one else like her has shown up.

There is a Cypress who is connected with all the whole the jungle of bowl, and her influence is limited by the land configuration of the area, even that people of bowl possess their own free will.

Raveolution wrote:: She doesn't grow super huge roots; she spawns new plants or cross-pollinates.There's no one big superhuge world-consuming tree that is her. If she meets another tree she doesn't choke it out of the ecosystem. In fact because she didn't want to be seen, she probably goes out of her way to avoid doing so.

Each time she merge with the flora she gather the resource allow to this flora and extend her own sphere of influence at the same time. She monopolizes progressively the resource other plant cannot exist without their species end absorbed by her. She doesn't grow huge root but many different root which belong to her even if they are feeding different plants which are in reality the body of the same entity.

Raveolution wrote:: If she was muscling away other species as you insist upon believing, then hell yes the Guardians would not let her expand like that.

And it is entirely possible that she might be asked to limit her growth after Ur Sagol, and she might have complied.

After you state previously she is a foreigner not a native it can be supposed it was since her arrival in Felarya, The guardians will notice when her presence when she will merge with too many plant to hide it, and before the event of Ur-Sagol.

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Raveolution wrote:: And I hope I didn't just read you saying that plants emit CO2...

Plants do produce CO2. Confused? Time for a little science class!

Cellular respiration in both plant and animal cells requires oxygen and a sugar, and produces water and carbon dioxide. For example, plant roots cells require oxygen, which is why it is possible to drown a plant and kill it if its roots are flooded for long enough. Plant's are interesting in that they can take sunlight, water, and carbon dioxide, and produce a sugar and oxygen from it. (The sugar contains the carbon atoms from the carbon dioxide in it, this is important for later.) In a plant that is not growing, but is still photosynthesizing, sugar production (and thus oxygen production) occurs at the same rate as cellular respiration (cellular activities) (and thus the consumption of oxygen.). A growing plant will store some of those sugars, or convert them into building blocks, thus leading to net oxygen production. However, if the plant decomposes or is burned, all that carbon is released back into the atmosphere, recombining with oxygen.

So in summary: plants produce CO2, though usually they produce more O2 than CO2 (and are thus net consumers of CO2) because the carbon is being stored as sugars and starches, or as plant structure.

(Yes, I've just described part of the carbon cycle. Notice how it is balanced. It is because it is balanced that CO2 produced from fossil fuels is so concerning; as there is no easy way to get it out of the carbon cycle, you are stuck with any additional carbon that you add.)

Subject: Re: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:53 am

Oldman40k2003 wrote:

Raveolution wrote:: And I hope I didn't just read you saying that plants emit CO2...

Plants do produce CO2. Confused? Time for a little science class!

Cellular respiration in both plant and animal cells requires oxygen and a sugar, and produces water and carbon dioxide. For example, plant roots cells require oxygen, which is why it is possible to drown a plant and kill it if its roots are flooded for long enough. Plant's are interesting in that they can take sunlight, water, and carbon dioxide, and produce a sugar and oxygen from it. (The sugar contains the carbon atoms from the carbon dioxide in it, this is important for later.) In a plant that is not growing, but is still photosynthesizing, sugar production (and thus oxygen production) occurs at the same rate as cellular respiration (cellular activities) (and thus the consumption of oxygen.). A growing plant will store some of those sugars, or convert them into building blocks, thus leading to net oxygen production. However, if the plant decomposes or is burned, all that carbon is released back into the atmosphere, recombining with oxygen.

So in summary: plants produce CO2, though usually they produce more O2 than CO2 (and are thus net consumers of CO2) because the carbon is being stored as sugars and starches, or as plant structure.

(Yes, I've just described part of the carbon cycle. Notice how it is balanced. It is because it is balanced that CO2 produced from fossil fuels is so concerning; as there is no easy way to get it out of the carbon cycle, you are stuck with any additional carbon that you add.)

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Subject: Re: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:30 pm

gwadahunter2222 wrote:

Raveolution wrote:: Okay, and how does a plant spirit having control over so many plants endanger anything more than Quaz having control over so many insects?

Does Banya is the queen of all the plant? No because you state after that she is a foreigner specie from another world. About Quaz, does it merge with all the insect to make a unique entity or he called them in Battle as a king rise its army? Does Quaz is breeding with all the insects? Does Quaz control 24/7 the insects life? There are many different between them, and not only due to the fact one is a guardian. We can say the same thing for Nemyra She is the Queen of all the fairies but she is not all the fairies in a one in unique entities. For both Quaz and Nemyra even if they are the rulers and emblematic figure of their species but not the fusion of all of them. They exist as a different entity from their subject. In the case of Banya, the plants are not her subject but a part of her, it's not many plants which are endangering but the body of the same entity. Even if the queen of the bees dies her swarm continues to exist and a new queen arise.

Yes but if Quaz calls on them they have no choice but to serve. I asked how does it endanger things, I did not ask "what is the difference". You described to me the difference between the two, not the increased danger.

Quote :: There is a huge difference between a billions of plants which are distinct entities with their own body a single creature whose the whole body is made with billion of many bodies like Banya By adding all the plant which are part of her you will obtain the same results as many different entities for only the same entity. As a single entity with different bodies her global consummation is the equivalent of many different ones with one body.

But this doesn't answer my question. "the plant need larger leaf, larger leaf need more resource and water for the plant." Why would she need larger leaves? Why would she need to increase production?

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I quote wikipedia:

wikipedia wrote:: utrients commonly used by animal and plant cells in respiration include glucose, amino acids and fatty acids, and a common oxidizing agent (electron acceptor) is molecular oxygen (O2). Bacteria and archaea can also be lithotrophs and these organisms may respire using a broad range of inorganic molecules as electron donors and acceptors, such as sulfur, metal ions, methane or hydrogen. Organisms that use oxygen as a final electron acceptor in respiration are described as aerobic, while those that do not are referred to as anaerobic[.

Photosynthesis is not and cannot be considered as the respiration of the plant it can only perform during daytime and as any living being plant do Cellular respiration so emits CO2 as any living being.

Okay, so if plants emit Co2 does that mean they can exist without other living things around? That brings the whole concept of the food chain into question. Which gets back to my original point... she needs animal life just as they need plants.

Quote :: In all the process you describe it won't change it's the same entity which are attempting to expand itself by slowly hijacking local and other foreign flora, it's not a reproduction where it divides itself to give birth to a new and different entities with their own free will and independent. Banya is invading the local flora by mixing with them to make them a part of her not to give new different species. She doesn't give birth to new lives but assimilate the existing ones it to herself. As a foreigner she will become suspicious and draw quickly the attention of the guardians where a non-native.

She doesn't assimilate; these other individuals and species continue to exist.

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Raveolution wrote:: If she ran into another plant spirit like herself, heck, they might merge into a new consciousness. Or intertwine.(One thing you'll never see Banya merge with is weeds. She avoids them and thinks they're too greedy.)

The spirits don't systematically merge into one if it was true all the elemental will progressively become the same entity, there are many powerful spirits who prefers to keep their individualities. By acting like she just shows how greedy she is because she doesn't share her power with her own children or doesn't trust them enough.

Then option #2 which I stated is the case - they intertwine.

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Raveolution wrote:: Banya isn't about making any species disappear. You're adding things to her nature that simply are not there.

Why she does she merges with the whole race by breeding with them which is not true because she is making them a part of her and not giving birth to a new species it's not fusion or symbiotic relation but absorption. The plant stop to exist as individual specie to become a part of Banya.

Incorrect - nobody stops existing as individual species. Nobody ceases to exist as an individual.

Quote :: There is a Cypress who is connected with all the whole the jungle of bowl, and her influence is limited by the land configuration of the area, even that people of bowl possess their own free will.

If Cypress existed outside the Jungle Bowl and wasn't born from one of Banya's spores she'd still be an individual Cypress not under Banya's control. She wouldn't even be muscled out of her habitat. She wouldn't cease to exist as an individual.

Quote :: Each time she merge with the flora she gather the resource allow to this flora and extend her own sphere of influence at the same time. She monopolizes progressively the resource other plant cannot exist without their species end absorbed by her. She doesn't grow huge root but many different root which belong to her even if they are feeding different plants which are in reality the body of the same entity.

That's easy to tweak - she doesn't take over every square inch of land.

Quote :: After you state previously she is a foreigner not a native it can be supposed it was since her arrival in Felarya, The guardians will notice when her presence when she will merge with too many plant to hide it, and before the event of Ur-Sagol.

Can you define 'merge' and 'absorb' for me here? I keep pointing out that she doesn't take over other plants that already exist in the area. She can't take over an existing plant spirit.

Subject: Re: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:44 pm

Raveolution wrote:: Yes but if Quaz calls on them they have no choice but to serve. I asked how does it endanger things, I did not ask "what is the difference". You described to me the difference between the two, not the increased danger.

Quaz is a king, when a king calls their subject the subject must answer to its call. It's the duty the subjects have next to their king.

Banya's death means the death of all the plant life and turn the world into a huge deserts. But if Quatz dies it will be an important lost but it won't mean the death of all the insect species, because a new king can appear to remplace it.

Raveolution wrote:: But this doesn't answer my question. "the plant need larger leaf, larger leaf need more resource and water for the plant." Why would she need larger leaves? Why would she need to increase production?

because if plants want to exploit the CO2 of a city which is not only to limit to the production of the breathing of its inhabitants they need to generate larger leaf to absorb more sunlight in order the photosynthesis match the production CO2 of the cities, which will increase the global consumption of water. Water is used to develop and maintain the leaf, and the photosynthesis. So does a plants creature like a town, no because she can't expand freely as she did in normal way, the foundation of cities expand deep on the ground which affect the action of the roots. The waste generate by a cities are mainly toxic due to the various chemicals products they contains. The space to develop inside are too restricted and you expand more the people from the service responsible of the green space cut you to reduce your size. An expanding plant like creature as Banya can tolerate cities but won't like them because she can't expand very well inside the area where they are installed.

Raveolution wrote:: Okay, so if plants emit Co2 does that mean they can exist without other living things around? That brings the whole concept of the food chain into question. Which gets back to my original point... she needs animal life just as they need plants.

Plants have cells like animal which have the same need in oxygen, the carbon emits by plant is turned into O2 during the photosynthesis which happen only the daylight, as Oldman pointed in his post it 's difficult for plants to run out of CO2 due to the carbon cycle in overall.

Why plants need living being is to carry their seed, the fruit is a way to attract them and at the same time their excretions they produce which fertilize the ground with their decomposition will release carbon.

Raveolution wrote:: She doesn't assimilate; these other individuals and species continue to exist.

She grows herself by breeding with other species, Does the original specie continue to give offspring independent from Banya existence as they do at the origin before they cross her ?

Raveolution wrote:: Then option #2 which I stated is the case - they intertwine.

The constant expanding nature of Banya will make an awkward situation with the other spirit who see their influence decrease as she spread herself and become too much depend of her due the consequence of her death can have on the world itself.

Raveolution wrote:: Incorrect - nobody stops existing as individual species. Nobody ceases to exist as an individual.

When your way to reproduce yourself is hijacked by another creature to expand itself and not create real new offspring, the development and the evolution of the previous one is stopped because the banya's offspring take progressively the place of the original offspring of the species.

Raveolution wrote:: If Cypress existed outside the Jungle Bowl and wasn't born from one of Banya's spores she'd still be an individual Cypress not under Banya's control. She wouldn't even be muscled out of her habitat. She wouldn't cease to exist as an individual.

If Banya extend and reach the jungle of Bowl, Cypress won't accept easily the presence of another dryad who are constantly expanding herself by breeding with all the plants she meets to concentrate all the plant life inter her own body made with every plants she breeds with.

Raveolution wrote:: That's easy to tweak - she doesn't take over every square inch of land.

A creature which its death can turn the whole world into a desert possess a strong influence over the land which is difficult to neglect.

Raveolution wrote:: Can you define 'merge' and 'absorb' for me here? I keep pointing out that she doesn't take over other plants that already exist in the area. She can't take over an existing plant spirit.

I use "absorb" in a similar way than engulf because she breed with the other plant only to develop herself as your body absorb your food to develop itself. I use merge in a way than combination to create something productive.

Banya by expanding like concentrate inside her most of the plant life of Felarya with a dramatic consequence, if she dies the world will be turned into a desert a being like is a huge weakness for the world because if during an invasion if something happen to her it will necessary affect the entire world even if the guardians win the battle.

Subject: Re: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:27 am

gwadahunter2222 wrote:

Raveolution wrote:: Yes but if Quaz calls on them they have no choice but to serve. I asked how does it endanger things, I did not ask "what is the difference". You described to me the difference between the two, not the increased danger.

Quaz is a king, when a king calls their subject the subject must answer to its call. It's the duty the subjects have next to their king.

Banya's death means the death of all the plant life and turn the world into a huge deserts. But if Quatz dies it will be an important lost but it won't mean the death of all the insect species, because a new king can appear to remplace it.

Hmmm. So why did these insects even recognize him as their king?

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Raveolution wrote:: But this doesn't answer my question. "the plant need larger leaf, larger leaf need more resource and water for the plant." Why would she need larger leaves? Why would she need to increase production?

because if plants want to exploit the CO2 of a city which is not only to limit to the production of the breathing of its inhabitants they need to generate larger leaf to absorb more sunlight in order the photosynthesis match the production CO2 of the cities, which will increase the global consumption of water. Water is used to develop and maintain the leaf, and the photosynthesis. So does a plants creature like a town, no because she can't expand freely as she did in normal way, the foundation of cities expand deep on the ground which affect the action of the roots. The waste generate by a cities are mainly toxic due to the various chemicals products they contains. The space to develop inside are too restricted and you expand more the people from the service responsible of the green space cut you to reduce your size. An expanding plant like creature as Banya can tolerate cities but won't like them because she can't expand very well inside the area where they are installed.

I'll get back to the issue of whether plants depend on animals for anything besides pollination later, but that last statement you made? That pertains to cities on Earth, not Felarya. And speaking of cities on Earth, obviously you have not been to my home town of Sacramento, which is the second most well known metropolis in the world for its trees - the first being France. Basically you said a plant spirit cannot expand very well inside a city and that's just flat out wrong. I can go right over the hill here and take a picture of what anyone would essentially call a metropolitan tree heaven. Which means that the waste we produce here isn't all that toxic. And I doubt that Ur Sagol was a concrete jungle, or that Negav is, either. Plus let's not get into the fact that people bring in plants and establish personal gardens, and all that stuff. Oh and in Los Angeles I know of many places where tree roots tear their way through that typical megapolitan concrete jungle, messing up properties and all that. So yes, Banya could expand quite well in a city.

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Raveolution wrote:: She doesn't assimilate; these other individuals and species continue to exist.

She grows herself by breeding with other species, Does the original specie continue to give offspring independent from Banya existence as they do at the origin before they cross her ?

Yes, the original specie continues to give offspring independent from Banya's existence. I never said they couldn't. Not every pollen they produce will cross-pollinate. Some flora cannot cross-pollinate. Some flora she doesn't want to cross with. She gives deliberate right of way to them, too.

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Raveolution wrote:: Then option #2 which I stated is the case - they intertwine.

The constant expanding nature of Banya will make an awkward situation with the other spirit who see their influence decrease as she spread herself and become too much depend of her due the consequence of her death can have on the world itself.

That is a potential issue.

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Raveolution wrote:: Incorrect - nobody stops existing as individual species. Nobody ceases to exist as an individual.

When your way to reproduce yourself is hijacked by another creature to expand itself and not create real new offspring, the development and the evolution of the previous one is stopped because the banya's offspring take progressively the place of the original offspring of the species.

Another reason for her to give right of way to other specie, perhaps.

Quote :: If Banya extend and reach the jungle of Bowl, Cypress won't accept easily the presence of another dryad who are constantly expanding herself by breeding with all the plants she meets to concentrate all the plant life inter her own body made with every plants she breeds with.

Banya would see Cypress and stay away. Right of way/territorial respect and all that.

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Raveolution wrote:: That's easy to tweak - she doesn't take over every square inch of land.

A creature which its death can turn the whole world into a desert possess a strong influence over the land which is difficult to neglect.

If you know about her you certainly don't ignore her.

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Raveolution wrote:: Can you define 'merge' and 'absorb' for me here? I keep pointing out that she doesn't take over other plants that already exist in the area. She can't take over an existing plant spirit.

I use "absorb" in a similar way than engulf because she breed with the other plant only to develop herself as your body absorb your food to develop itself. I use merge in a way than combination to create something productive.

She breeds with other plants coincidentally. She does not engulf or turn other plants into part of herself. The most she'll do is intertwine; most of the time others initiate intertwining with her, like those Arch Devil plants would. In fact, invasive plants take over her trees, she doesn't take over theirs.

Quote :: Banya by expanding like concentrate inside her most of the plant life of Felarya with a dramatic consequence, if she dies the world will be turned into a desert a being like is a huge weakness for the world because if during an invasion if something happen to her it will necessary affect the entire world even if the guardians win the battle.

It's also outrageously difficult to destroy such a widespread spirit, too. You're not going to take her down by sending a small fry or even a big league soul sucking demon after her: she's going to morph around and escape the damage. Basically to kill Banya you have to have already almost annihilated Felarya. And to do that you gotta beat one guy who's even bigger than the Guardians. Very Happy

Subject: Re: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:44 am

Raveolution wrote:: Hmmm. So why did these insects even recognize him as their king?

Ask Karbo about that.

Raveolution wrote:: I'll get back to the issue of whether plants depend on animals for anything besides pollination later, but that last statement you made? That pertains to cities on Earth, not Felarya. And speaking of cities on Earth, obviously you have not been to my home town of Sacramento, which is the second most well known metropolis in the world for its trees - the first being France. Basically you said a plant spirit cannot expand very well inside a city and that's just flat out wrong. I can go right over the hill here and take a picture of what anyone would essentially call a metropolitan tree heaven. Which means that the waste we produce here isn't all that toxic. And I doubt that Ur Sagol was a concrete jungle, or that Negav is, either. Plus let's not get into the fact that people bring in plants and establish personal gardens, and all that stuff. Oh and in Los Angeles I know of many places where tree roots tear their way through that typical megapolitan concrete jungle, messing up properties and all that. So yes, Banya could expand quite well in a city.

Just some little corrections France is a country not a metropolis, so I will speak about its main and famous Metropolis, Paris. The dramatic level of pollution due to the important developpment economic and humans which are far superior to the rest of the French territory, the green space inside Paris doesn't excess 150 square foot by inhabitants.The level of pollution of air becomes a public health problem and impose the development of a strict control of the quality of air. The wasted waters of the town have to pass to a central of purification before to be released inside the rivers and even that there were many case of pollutions noticed. The development of the flora inside and outside is not the same, even until now the development tend to be more green. To conclude it's a question of density economical and humans, if the need of economic development of the city is important you will find few green space of course some can be artificially create like Central Park at New York. To come back to Negav and Ur-Sagol both are town which concentrate(d) important economic activities and humanoid population, so the available space will be used in priority to the development urban than to green space. if you see some plants expand their root in some megalopitan concrete jungle it's because the place has been abandoned by the authorities but if the place is required to a specific project of development they will cut them without any hesitation.

To conclude I will say it's a matter of Urban management, human concentration and economic activities. Because in size and development Paris is superior to Sacramento.And I think it's the case to Negav and was the case for Ur-Sagol, because it's obvious the multidimensional economic activities of both of them are far Superior to main metropolis like Paris, New York, or Tokyo.

Raveolution wrote:: Yes, the original specie continues to give offspring independent from Banya's existence. I never said they couldn't. Not every pollen they produce will cross-pollinate. Some flora cannot cross-pollinate. Some flora she doesn't want to cross with. She gives deliberate right of way to them, too.

So in the end Banya will be maybe impressive but not to the point to her sphere of influence affect the whole world.

Raveolution wrote:: That is a potential issue.

Glad you admit it Very Happy

Raveolution wrote:: Another reason for her to give right of way to other specie, perhaps.

Raveolution wrote:: Banya would see Cypress and stay away. Right of way/territorial respect and all that.

I answer to this two quote with this answer
The best way it's she has her own territory because there as many creatures like Cypress which are connected to the flora of their territory. So if Banya respects territories of other plant creatures and spirits, in the end she will stop to expand herself.

Raveolution wrote:: If you know about her you certainly don't ignore her.

Yep but it's a consequence of her expansion. it's more reasonable she doesn't try expand too much and don't try to make her own territory it's safer than to let her spread over all the world.

Raveolution wrote:: It's also outrageously difficult to destroy such a widespread spirit, too. You're not going to take her down by sending a small fry or even a big league soul sucking demon after her: she's going to morph around and escape the damage. Basically to kill Banya you have to have already almost annihilated Felarya. And to do that you gotta beat one guy who's even bigger than the Guardians.

Even if she is bigger than they it doesn't mean she is as powerful as they are Very Happy

, if the enemies did damages with the same consequence as the destruction of Ur-Sagol she will be seriously hurt. Her weakness is not her soul or to burn her body but to not let her any possibilities to develop by affecting the ground where her roots expands. A massive corruption of the ground by the enemies and she will feel it.

Even if you make good point in you late post, it shows it's not necessary to make her to the level of the guardians and to make her death affects all the plant life she is not the main plant creature/spirit of the world maybe she's powerful and maybe harsh to kill. We back to the point it's not necessary.

Subject: Re: Banya: A Dryad Guardian? <--- idea! Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:38 pm

gwadahunter2222 wrote:: Just some little corrections France is a country not a metropolis, so I will speak about its main and famous Metropolis, Paris.

I meant to say Paris, France.

Quote :: The dramatic level of pollution due to the important developpment economic and humans which are far superior to the rest of the French territory, the green space inside Paris doesn't excess 150 square foot by inhabitants.The level of pollution of air becomes a public health problem and impose the development of a strict control of the quality of air. The wasted waters of the town have to pass to a central of purification before to be released inside the rivers and even that there were many case of pollutions noticed. The development of the flora inside and outside is not the same, even until now the development tend to be more green. To conclude it's a question of density economical and humans, if the need of economic development of the city is important you will find few green space of course some can be artificially create like Central Park at New York. To come back to Negav and Ur-Sagol both are town which concentrate(d) important economic activities and humanoid population, so the available space will be used in priority to the development urban than to green space. if you see some plants expand their root in some megalopitan concrete jungle it's because the place has been abandoned by the authorities but if the place is required to a specific project of development they will cut them without any hesitation.

Have you flown over Paris? Or seen pictures of that city from above? Also, people like living around greenery; it even contributes to a higher land value. Now I don't know what kind of humans live in Negav and I've seen you guys handwave away a LOT of basic human instincts in Felarya, but really now, even in Negav city people want some kind of greenery around them. They're going to bring it in and grow it or something. Also there's going to be farmland to support the population's need for food. There has to be, what are Negavians eating, air? Also, wealthier Negavians will want gardens and parks and all that stuff. It would be surprising not to find a large number of hanging gardens in the city.

Also consider Chernobyl, where there was that huge nuclear accident. Sure the city was abandoned, but even with all that nuclear radiation, plants have grown back. And trees grow up under sidewalks that aren't abandoned; you're talking about fairly aggressive activity, not just routine maintenance, to stop that.

Quote :: To conclude I will say it's a matter of Urban management, human concentration and economic activities. Because in size and development Paris is superior to Sacramento.And I think it's the case to Negav and was the case for Ur-Sagol, because it's obvious the multidimensional economic activities of both of them are far Superior to main metropolis like Paris, New York, or Tokyo.

Do you know of any major city outside of China that is really barren of trees, gardens and the like?

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Raveolution wrote:: Yes, the original specie continues to give offspring independent from Banya's existence. I never said they couldn't. Not every pollen they produce will cross-pollinate. Some flora cannot cross-pollinate. Some flora she doesn't want to cross with. She gives deliberate right of way to them, too.

So in the end Banya will be maybe impressive but not to the point to her sphere of influence affect the whole world.

She would affect enough that killing her wouldn't be the first rational answer.

Quote :: I answer to this two quote with this answer
The best way it's she has her own territory because there as many creatures like Cypress which are connected to the flora of their territory. So if Banya respects territories of other plant creatures and spirits, in the end she will stop to expand herself.

That would be true of all Guardians, right?

Quote :: Even if she is bigger than they it doesn't mean she is as powerful as they are , if the enemies did damages with the same consequence as the destruction of Ur-Sagol she will be seriously hurt. Her weakness is not her soul or to burn her body but to not let her any possibilities to develop by affecting the ground where her roots expands. A massive corruption of the ground by the enemies and she will feel it.

She could be as powerful as Quaz. The plants in Felarya are no pushovers; and she can drop a spore in any location to sprout an inconspicuous plant and listen in on someone. She can "know all" with better realtime accuracy than Nemyra. Even the most secret plots against the Guardians, if laid in Felarya (especially in her territory), could be seen and conveyed first by her, early on. She's got a lot to offer in that regard.

Quote :: Even if you make good point in you late post, it shows it's not necessary to make her to the level of the guardians and to make her death affects all the plant life she is not the main plant creature/spirit of the world maybe she's powerful and maybe harsh to kill. We back to the point it's not necessary.

That wouldn't stop plants not spawned by her from listening to her like the bugs obey Quaz (and there is a difference between listening and obeying voluntarily versus total blind fealty).

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