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Rats and Mice are probably held in line by Nekos.

Sean Okotami wrote:

Rats and Mice are probably held in line by Nekos.

Wouldn't suprise me if Neera, Tomthumbs and the like hunt and eat the smaller animals as well. Insects are high in protein, and even rats and such would have a decent amount of meat to someone 4 inches tall. With the healing factor, rats wouldn't be disease-ridden either.

so neeras would eat tomthumbs, and vice versa?

Archmage_Bael wrote:

so neeras would eat tomthumbs, and vice versa?

No, that would probably be a bit too close to cannibalism.

They would all probably eat various insects, rodents (mice, squirrels, etc), and other such small animals. They probably hunt them much like humans living in the jungle would hunt Druiker and such.

Pests are usually exterminated to prevent them from spreading diseases. Why waste time and money exterminating pests if there is no disease?

itsmeyouidiot wrote:

Pests are usually exterminated to prevent them from spreading diseases. Why waste time and money exterminating pests if there is no disease?

Disease works to limit both-ways: Remember that those rats are now immortal and immune to disease. Furthermore, they will still eat and leave droppings all over the place. Said eating can include anywhere from "supplies" to "structural integrity of building / boat".

EDIT: There's also the matter of reproductive rate. Brown rats? They can have up to five litters a year, and normally live only one to three tops. When you remove that, and the threat of disease killing young, if you had noone taking out the population...

Malahite wrote:

itsmeyouidiot wrote:

Pests are usually exterminated to prevent them from spreading diseases. Why waste time and money exterminating pests if there is no disease?

Disease works to limit both-ways: Remember that those rats are now immortal and immune to disease. Furthermore, they will still eat and leave droppings all over the place. Said eating can include anywhere from "supplies" to "structural integrity of building / boat".

EDIT: There's also the matter of reproductive rate. Brown rats? They can have up to five litters a year, and normally live only one to three tops. When you remove that, and the threat of disease killing young, if you had noone taking out the population...

Keep in mind, it isn't just going to be human-sized things and tinies controlling pest populations. Felarya has plenty of predators of all sizes. Wild cats, other insects, small carnivorous plants, etc. They'd all be able to help control pests.

Predators can only go so far when it comes to controlling pests.

Ever heard of a mouse plague? Their populations get so high despite the predators that the only thing that eventually stops it is when the food runs out and they resort to eating each other. During that time they'll even attack larger animals such as pigs and the like.

Hi, sorry if this has been answered somewhere else in this forum but I am a bit short on time to read through everything ^^;

My question regards to the story I will soon be writing, just some numbers and biology things. There will be 2 giant creatures entering Felarya from one of my worlds (with a human).

One is a giantess and one is a Naga. The giantess is around 200 feet tall, the Naga's torso would be similar to that of a 200 foot tall woman but her body is much much longer. I was wondering what the average height of a naga in Felarya? I want to know so I can more accurately compare them when they meet face to face.

It seems like the sizes may very from creature to creature, so maybe I will have to be more specific when it actually comes to writing the story, maybe feature a specific character from someone else's collection (with permission of course.)

Usually between 50 and 100 ft.

Okay thank you, I was thinking mine would be a tad larger...thanks for the quick response ^^

Yeah, most giants teeter somewhere around 70 feet.

Just bringing something up; 200 feet sounds a bit much; they'd dwarf a lot of the other predators Felarya has to offer. Are you sure about 200 feet?

Yes, their sizes were made pretty set in the story that will come before this one. However they will not exactly be preds here...they are sort of out vacationing ><...the human will probably end up separated from the two girls and thus into harms way for a bit of the story though.

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However they will not exactly be preds here

They will be seen as such by some predators, they understand that bigger things eat smaller things and a 200ft giantess can swallow a 70ft one. Be sure to have realistic reactions when you write.

I'm not entirely sure why you need them to be so big, you're just turning the normal giants into the smaller ones and getting a reaction from them that you could get from humans. Also recall that a 200ft giantess will have difficulty interacting with humans due to the size difference.

Well those are the sizes that I liked when I wrote them into my own world, and 200 feet is still within a pretty easy interaction size. And yes I planned on having some pretty interesting reactions from the other giants in felarya. If you are worried that my characters will come in and try to dominate the other creatures, please don't be. That is not the aim of the story.

The height thing was always a point of contention with me, and I've thought about it on occasions when comparing Felarya to other 'macro/micro' universes. A human being 6' tall to a 200' giant would be like if a 6' tall person were holding a person that was 2.16" tall. A giant that is only 75' in height holding a 6' tall person would be like holding a person that was 5.76" in height.

Now imagine someone like Crisis that can eat an entire caravan of humans in one go, storing them all in her human stomach. That would be like you eating several 6" subs whole (though admittedly a sub would be wider than a human, so we'll say that one 6" sub is like 3-4 people huddled together, fair?).

Now, I don't know about you, but I can't swallow something that's nearly 6" in one go. Definitely not whole. Yet that's exactly what happens in Felarya. I find it much easier to imagine you eating something 2.16" in height, especially if you're moving it about the mouth and playing with it, tasting it, etc.

When you're talking about a smaller macro pred, like Nikita who is 35 ft tall, we get even more extreme. A 6' tall human to Nikita would be like someone 6' tall eating something 12.34" in length. Now I know we go the whole stretchy throat thing, but it is pushing the letter of the law without talking about same size vore. Not that some people aren't into that - I'm just not one of them.




This is just something that has always bugged me which is why originally I had Reya's height pegged higher. I had tried to apply terms of scale to real life - Reya's adult size should be large enough that she doesn't think of humans as 'food' items, but 'light snack' items. At 92' high, a 6' tall human to Reya would be like a 6' tall human holding something 4.70" - which could easily still be a meal for her. In the past I hit the "I Believe" button, but yeah...

Nagas are snakes, you can at least give them that. For the rest, it sounds like nitpicking. I know there's some site where you can put a person't height there, and Crisis comes out as pretty damn massive compared to a normal sized human. I forgot the name of the link, though.

https://felarya.forumotion.com/t1931-most-wiki-characters-size-chart?highlight=size

I just wish I could see a better comparison between Aurora and Lea, as they're too far apart in the pick to properly assess.

aethernavale wrote:

The height thing was always a point of contention with me, and I've thought about it on occasions when comparing Felarya to other 'macro/micro' universes. A human being 6' tall to a 200' giant would be like if a 6' tall person were holding a person that was 2.16" tall. A giant that is only 75' in height holding a 6' tall person would be like holding a person that was 5.76" in height.

Now imagine someone like Crisis that can eat an entire caravan of humans in one go, storing them all in her human stomach. That would be like you eating several 6" subs whole (though admittedly a sub would be wider than a human, so we'll say that one 6" sub is like 3-4 people huddled together, fair?).

Now, I don't know about you, but I can't swallow something that's nearly 6" in one go. Definitely not whole. Yet that's exactly what happens in Felarya. I find it much easier to imagine you eating something 2.16" in height, especially if you're moving it about the mouth and playing with it, tasting it, etc.

When you're talking about a smaller macro pred, like Nikita who is 35 ft tall, we get even more extreme. A 6' tall human to Nikita would be like someone 6' tall eating something 12.34" in length. Now I know we go the whole stretchy throat thing, but it is pushing the letter of the law without talking about same size vore. Not that some people aren't into that - I'm just not one of them.




This is just something that has always bugged me which is why originally I had Reya's height pegged higher. I had tried to apply terms of scale to real life - Reya's adult size should be large enough that she doesn't think of humans as 'food' items, but 'light snack' items. At 92' high, a 6' tall human to Reya would be like a 6' tall human holding something 4.70" - which could easily still be a meal for her. In the past I hit the "I Believe" button, but yeah...

Keep in mind, Crisis' height, and the average we use for pred height in Felarya is very old. You can look at Karbo's art, and even the mangas, and see that they are depicted larger than their height stats say they should be. Lea ends up being about as big as one of Crisis' fingers. Technically, that would put her closer to 100ft tall.

I still think the wiki heights serve their purpose though. They give us a solid, stable height range. If we wanted to get the real heights of the various predators 100% right...well, that would take major re-writes in the wiki, as well as changing the average pred height...which has kind of become a commonly known, and deeply entrenched stat wtihin the community.

I personally like the larger sizes depicted in recent art and the mangas. It makes the predators seem a lot more powerful and imposing, and makes the vore a bit more believable.

This is something that should be adressed, the fact that giants in Felarya are larger than detailed.

To illustrate my point:

Exhibit A:

Exhibit B:

Yes I know that they're not the same character but the sizes are similar enough. My point is that over time the sizes of Felaryan giants have been adjusted over time, as you can see in Exhibit A humans appear to be much larger relative to Crisis than the adventurer appears to be in comparison to Vivian in Exhibit B.

Something's wrong somewhere.

The distending jaw of a naga gives them an advantage to be sure, however we aren't talking about mass comparisons. Noone is in doubt that Crisis would be one massive creature to a human standing at ground level. The question is, can a typical giant of approximately 50~100 feet easily eat a human being that's 6' tall? Mathematical comparisons show otherwise. How wide is your mouth when you open it? How deep is it? It is difficult to find averages online, seems to not be something measured often. The widest mouth in the world is 6.693" (17cm) across according to GBWR.

So, I had to use my own.

I typically open my mouth approximately 2" across (1.5" tall), though I can get up to 2.5~2.7" (2.1" tall) if I try - but this is obviously uncomfortable. I am almost exactly 72" tall, so this works out well for the comparison ratio. I can get about 3.25" in my mouth before gag reflex. All of these measurements were done either with string and a ruler, with a measuring tape, and always using a mirror. Also, width and height are measured by inner lips, so there is some buffer room here for inside the mouth (the teeth and cheeks). Now, let us scale up.

If my mouth measurements were applied to a 100' giant, direct scaling only, the dimensions of the open mouth would be as follows: normal - 33.3" wide, 25" tall, 58.3" deep; stretched - 45" wide, 35" tall, 58.3" deep. For a 200' giant, we just scale up double. So, in feet, what are those measurements - 2.775 ft wide, 2.083 ft tall, and 4.8583 ft deep. With some buffering we can probably get up to around 3.0~3.4 ft wide, 2.3~2.6 ft tall, and still roughly 5 ft deep. With the GBWR title, that measurement upscaled would be 111.5" across, or 9.295 ft. If you view the images/videos of that guy you can see this is nowhere near a normal mouth for the given size of the person wielding it.

If we look at Anko, we can see this well. There are some good shots of humans and Anko, and while Karbo's not drawing with his protractor and ruler in hand we can analyze a bit here - Anko is listed as 110'. That's closer to what is actually shown, but currently Anko is listed as one of the 'big' preds.

Regardless of the work it would entail, the point to be made here is that attempting to argue against a 200' giant on the realm that it is too tall for interactions given wiki measurements when a 200' tall giant would be more accurate given how pictures are being drawn of Felarya, is the epitome of hyperbole to quote a particular comedian. Instead of 50~100' it would be more accurate for them to be 100~200' in height, with 200' being the top end.

Did you even look at the size chart? I don't think anyone is willing to look at all of their story and edit the size just because it isn't accurate.

Sean Okotami wrote:

Did you even look at the size chart? I don't think anyone is willing to look at all of their story and edit the size just because it isn't accurate.

Yes, and yes. I have viewed several of the different size charts (there happen to be more than the large blue silhouette one you are referring to). Additionally, I have already edited some of my stories in the past when giving sizes to make it more accurate proportion wise and I'm thinking about doing so again, because this is something that has always bothered me.


Now, I have a question for you. How about actually thinking critically instead of just mouthing off? You're essentially just doing postcount+1 with these last posts Sean. It's almost at the point of baiting.

Sorry about that. But we've used these measurements for a long time, and having to look around and adjust all of that is going to be very tedious. I also don't like that you have to criticize me for being a man of a few words. There's nothing here that says that each post must be five lines minimum.

Sorry again for the snark, but I also want you to think about it. Your stories are nothing but a tiny fraction belonging to the currently active ones, including the bios. What you are essentially implying is that each story must be editted and that giants must be 30 ~ 50 ft taller so it make more sense. This is not only going to take hours, but is also going to be a more radical change than one would think. People here are used to the average size being around 70, 75 ft tall, and now we will all have to get used to a new mindset right away. Not only that, but some even more giant creatures will need to be editted, which is only going to make an already tedious process even more tedious.

I can already sense that this may become an argument battleground, so I suggest we move this to its own thread.

Sean Okotami wrote:

Sorry about that. But we've used these measurements for a long time, and having to look around and adjust all of that is going to be very tedious. I also don't like that you have to criticize me for being a man of a few words. There's nothing here that says that each post must be five lines minimum.

Sorry again for the snark, but I also want you to think about it. Your stories are nothing but a tiny fraction belonging to the currently active ones, including the bios. What you are essentially implying is that each story must be editted and that giants must be 30 ~ 50 ft taller so it make more sense. This is not only going to take hours, but is also going to be a more radical change than one would think. People here are used to the average size being around 70, 75 ft tall, and now we will all have to get used to a new mindset right away. Not only that, but some even more giant creatures will need to be editted, which is only going to make an already tedious process even more tedious.

To one point, I have thought about this. A lot. As I stated. This isn't something I just hashed out in the past hour, its something I've thought about since joining the community and being told that Reya was too tall even though I had sat down and reasoned through what I had expected her measurements should be in her adult form. Given the opportunity presented by Ginbug, I simply acted upon it in a thread that is designed just for such action.

It should also be noted that I never stated that the wiki should be changed - just that arguing against people using characters that are more appropriately sized is a meaningless endeavor.

Again, my point as stated earlier and restated here is the following:

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... the point to be made here is that attempting to argue against a 200' giant on the realm that it is too tall for interactions given wiki measurements when a 200' tall giant would be more accurate given how pictures are being drawn of Felarya, is the epitome of hyperbole to quote a particular comedian.

I can't, nor would I, force people to change measurement heights. However, I will be doing so to make things more appropriately fitting, and obviously Ginbug intends to introduce characters as such. This will then lead to conflict between people who are using the old convention and a convention I would feel to be more accurate based on upscaling of a known model form. Yet, at the same time, none of my work is canon and only a certain number of people actively read my works anyway, and it is honestly unlikely that I would be giving people permission to use my characters so really, there isn't a conflict at all except in reader perception. Which should honestly be an understood thing when viewing canon vs noncanon material.

I caution just as strongly against getting too tall, as generally speaking interaction with humans is limiting when said human is less than the size of your finger segments. Such a thing has a place, but I would not wish to see an explosion of over-sized macros either generated through an excuse of this point. An introduction of an army of Angela-esque size-ratio characters is neither desired nor required (note: I am not referring to Angela's listed size, merely the ratio of that size to other Felaryan preds).

As for changes, generally speaking Fairies and Nagas would not require a change anyway since they you can fuzz out some of the sizing details in their situations. The problem becomes static preds, such as giants/giantesses, dryads, sphinxes, dridders, etc. Also, who is to say that I wouldn't think it to be a radical change? It is just that, and would require some work - but not really that much honestly. Find/Replace All is a powerful tool one should know to use - I often have to do so when I decide to change a character's name halfway through writing a massive entry (such as the one I'm doing for Act 6).


Edit - Anyone besides me find it really hard to view quoted text normally? Increased size.

I have made another thread so we can keep discussing this. https://felarya.forumotion.com/t2484-new-size-scale-discussion

But in my opinion, you can't have two conventions for size, and have them both work perfectly fine. I agree that Nagas, Slug Girls and Fairies are fine, and Dryads in general are actually closer to the norm you speak. But to keep everything proportionate, we'll have to scale every giants up, excluding the fairies. So the two conventions can't coexist.