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PostSubject: Fairy Revision   Fairy Revision Icon_minitimeSun Oct 26, 2014 6:06 pm

Yep, time for another revision.  This time it's less about adding more details, although a lot of details will be added as always, and more about polishing existing details.  Fairies have entire separate articles dedicated entirely on one of their aspects and they're both needlessly wordy.  If that's not a sign that there's a problem, I don't know what is, so here I am to hopefully condense all that mess into just their article for everybody's convenience so we won't need those other articles anymore.  Personal biases and all that jazz up ahead as usual.


Fairies are humanoid creatures found on many magic-rich worlds.  They are easily identified by a pair of insect wings growing on their back where the shoulder blades are located, often accompanied by a pair of thin, insect-like antennae growing from their forehead.  Their frame is lithe and slender, and both hair and eye are often of bright colors.  Some fairies even have pointed ears.


Biological Traits

Fairies share an uncanny number of traits in common with elves.  Aside from having a similar physical appearance, their bones are just as light and ill-suited for physical combat as elves are.  Furthermore, both races age much slower than other humanoids and possess a natural affinity for magic.  It's interesting to note that many worlds boasting a sizable elf population also host an environment where fairies thrive.  Being a world exploding with magic, it's no surprise that a large population of both elves and fairies live in Felarya.  All of these facts have led researchers to theorize that they may have once shared a common ancestor that split off long ago into the two different species we now know today.

Magic is as natural to fairies as breathing and are almost all born with magical power.  They learn to cast simple spells at an incredibly young age, ranging from illusions all the way to enchantments, elemental magic, and possibly more.  As they grow older, fairies often develop an affinity toward a specific type of magic, not unlike how a human develops a talent or interest in a certain field with age.  Like elves, they have an innate talent and understanding toward more complex magic arts like rule-based and primordial magic, and are naturally more resistant against spells than other humanoids.  Combined with their swiftness in flight, surprisingly good reflexes and craftiness, fairies often stand as far deadlier opponents than their cute exterior would make people think.  Many species of Felaryan insects, however, are feared by fairies, as they typically possess very strong magic resistance.  Tonorions in particular are among the most dangerous creatures a fairy could possibly face, and some people believe they are their natural predator.

A fairy's magic is stored in her wings, meaning that if damaged, their magic power would decrease drastically, stop working altogether.  Fairies are well aware of this crippling weakness and so make full use of their ability to sense the magical signature of other creatures both as a hunting tool and as a way to detect potential danger.  Interestingly, dragonfly and butterfly wings seem to be the most common wing type among fairies, though the shape and type of wings have no effect on their magic.  It is commonly believed that a fairy's antennae are feelers designed to detect magic, but there isn't enough evidence to support that theory.


Size-Shifting Magic

The most feared ability of Felaryan fairies is their size-shifting magic.  They are able to change their size at will, from 3 inches to about 100 feet within mere seconds, although this range varies from one fairy to another, and in some very rare cases, a fairy may be unable to change its size at all, effectively leaving her stuck in one size.  Fairies usually prefer to stay tiny as it gives them more room to maneuver and a plethora of hiding places, making them one of the stealthiest species to exist.  Like with their other magic powers, a fairy with damaged or broken wings is unable to change its size and is stuck in her current size.  A disabled fairy can quickly get in a world of trouble and often at the bottom of the food chain until her wings heal again.

Almost all fairies also possess the innate ability to temporarily alter the size of another creature in a similar fashion.  This power is however not without drawbacks.  In order to effectively alter a creature's size, a fairy must be relatively close to her target and must concentrate for a few moments.  A careless fairy trying to shrink an armed human right in the open would find herself wide open for a counterattack.  As such, fairies rarely use this ability as a weapon unless they know for certain they can safely get away with it, and prefer to neutralize dangerous preys with other spells first.  It is possible for a fairy to affect multiple targets at once if she is powerful enough, but all of her preys must be close to each other.

Naturally, fairies cannot effectively shrink something if its magic resistance is too strong, however the same holds true if the creature's original size is too big.  The ceiling on what is considered too big varies widely from fairy to fairy, but suffice to say, shrinking something like a giant naga or even a Kensha Beast to the size of a human would normally be an impossible feat unless the fairy was abnormally powerful.  The reverse is also true as fairies are usually unable to enlarge a creature past this same threshold.

A creature who has had its size changed by a fairy usually returns to its normal size within a time lapse varying depending on the fairy's power.  However, unlike a typical size-altering spell whose effects end as soon as the magic runs out no matter what, the effects of a fairy's size-shifting spell somehow last indefinitely while within the presence of fairy strong magic.  As such, an adventurer who has been swallowed by a fairy won't ever revert to his or her normal size while it remains trapped inside her.  Oddly, when a fairy shrinks or grow, whatever shrunken creature in her stomach grows and shrinks along with her.  Some clever fairies have trained to enlarge preys in their belly, either to get the most out of their catch or to compensate for a poor hunt.  Similarly, mundane items worn or carried by a fairy also changes size alongside her.  Some items such has fairy glass have been crafted specifically to keep preys shrunk indefinitely while the fairy is away.  People speculate whether or not this is unique to a fairy's magic, or if the presence of strong fairy magic would also affect a size-altering spell cast by other creatures.  Nobody is in a hurry to find out for obvious reasons.

Obviously, shrinking or enlarging an inanimate object is much easier as they are completely devoid of magic resistance.  The ceiling on how big an object can be enlarged is substantially more lenient and it's not too difficult for a fairy to keep inanimate items at their new size with dedicated training.  Most magic items are a different story, as their mystical nature lends them an inherent magic resistance like other living creatures.  The more powerful the magic, the more difficult it is for a typical fairy to affect them.


Behavior

The most popular depiction of fairies is that of playful, curious and mischievous beings who love to have fun more than anything else.  While many fairies are indeed light-hearted, carefree pranksters, this isn't entirely accurate.  One can find solemn watchmen, serious scholars, mystic sages, and even dark, brooding warriors in their population.  It is more accurate to classify fairies as beings of raw emotions.  Indeed, they often let their feelings guide their actions, and rarely keep their emotions bottled up.  For example, an angry fairy usually yell and vent her rage on the nearest object, and a sad fairy will burst in tears and cry out loud.

One would assume that fairies don't work well in groups, but this couldn't be further from the truth.  Fairies tend to form packs and even small tribes, and are usually decently organized.  People are often baffled at how such tribes don't immediately devolve into chaos, but it is commonly believed that while whimsical, fairies are considerate of their friends to some degree, and try to act responsibly so as to do them no wrong, not to hamper or harm them.  Most often, the smartest or oldest member of the group acts as unofficial leader, whose duty is mostly to solve arguments.

Although they don't have a distaste toward advanced technology like elves do, fairies very rarely craft complex tools.  Aside from sometimes making simple tools out of common material, and occasionally making rudimentary clothes and accessories, fairies see little reason to create complex mechanisms and think it's just easier use magic to solve most of their problems.  However, they are almost all fascinated by human inventions.  It's not uncommon for fairies to rummage through a human's belongings, trying to find new and exciting items to fiddle with in hopes of discovering its intended use, usually with mixed results for both parties involved.  In general, fairies tend to be very curious and love to learn new things.  A little known fact about them is that they love reading and they are one of the few fully literate races in the wild.

Fairies get along very well with dryads, as they are naturally comfortable around trees and they and are always eager to learn about various stories of faraway lands, and they love to bring preys she caught to them as a sign of strong friendship.  Fairies also get along quite well with deerataurs thanks to their connection with nature, who act friendly to them, seeing them as spirits of nature.  Their most interesting relationship however is with elementals.  For some reason, many fairies choose to mate with them instead of other fairies.  This results in a great number of crossbreeds who are often much more dangerous than their parent species.  How they are able to mate with elementals is a complete mystery, leading researchers to believe that fairies reproduce in a manner far different than other humanoids.


Hunting Habits

Thanks to their ability to fly, their incredible proficiency with magic, and the ability to shrink and grow at will, fairies are among the most fearsome predators in Felarya.  Though fairies love to eat fruits, they especially enjoy to hunt live preys, as they see the process of stalking and plotting how to catch their meal as a game.  Fairies like to hunt in groups, although it's not rare to find fairies hunting alone, and because they are able to hide virtually anywhere, they have a myriad of ways to catch prey at their disposal.  One of their most common and favorite tactics is to appear tiny and harmless before lost and clueless travelers, and then grow giant right in front of their eyes, but it is hardly their only trick.  Fairies like to play with their catches, often teasing or giving them false hope that they can escape before gobbling them.  Fairies are voracious and love to stuff themselves until their stomachs are about to burst.


Morality

It's worth noting that fairies view right or wrong and perceive other creatures quite differently from most sapient races. Fairies rarely care about the short or long term consequences of their actions.  They find it much easier and pleasant to live in the moment than to worry about one's future or dwell too much something they've done in the past.  As such, what they consider as right or wrong often boils down to whether or not something will make them feel good right away, or if it will hurt a friend in some manner.

Fairies value friendships above all else.  To them, a friend is akin family, and a friendship with a fairy is often one that lasts for a lifetime. Fairies care not for a friend's species, appearance, and especially not sizes since they can change their own size at will. This means that fairies sees befriending something as tiny as a neera as no different as befriending something as colossal as a dryad. Conversely, this also means that they see no wrong in eating preying on a creature regardless of race its or size if it is at all possible. In any event, their loyalty is such that losing a friend is often seen as either a very tragic event, or a traumatic betrayal depending on the circumstances. The friends of a friend are also viewed friends, though that usually doesn't stop fairies from teasing them. For example, a fairy who is friends with a human would keep her word that she won't ever eat her companions, but she'll often messily lick her lips in front of them and remind them of how delicious they look. This is all in good fun, really.

Many fairies eat other sapient creatures not just because they must eat other creatures to survive, but also because they act like typical preys.  They are always on the lookout for danger, and when threatened, they either flee or become aggressive.  From the perspective of a fairy, this is exactly how all preys act, and since they taste good like food, they fill their belly like food, therefore they fill all the criteria to be considered food.  Their emphasis on friendship is probably why they almost never prey on their own kind, unlike other giant predators.  Since they often grow up surrounded with other fairies, playing games and being friendly with each other, they instinctively assume that all other fairies are the same.



So yeah, sorry for invalidating that big article you wrote, Stabs.  I know you worked hard on it, but I really feel like it's for the best if this all gets condensed so it's easier to get the gist of it, and also so you don't have to look at five different articles just to understand all about fairies in general.

Also, I know I used the word "race" instead of species a lot.  I came to the realization that it may be simpler to refer to the important "playable" races as such, even if it's technically wrong.

Anyway, thoughts?


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PostSubject: Re: Fairy Revision   Fairy Revision Icon_minitimeTue Oct 28, 2014 8:54 am

Lets see. I wont go into too much detail as you havent really invested much into my article either and I was upset that you didnt loose a single word about the Reynkes but only about the size changing magic - and seeing this article here, it seems like you majorly did that for your own interests in the fairies. :-(





First, I want to say that lengthy articles are not necessarily a problem unless there is filler text with 0 new information inside. Thats my opinion at least, as I like fleshed out articles as long as they arent restricted too much and a certain quantity is required for quality, so I want to stop people from thinking "lesser is better", just for the sake of it being short, because some individuals are too lazy to read while doing research for stories and stuff.
Personally I get a ton more ideas and inspirations from reading an article that has lots of hooks to offer rather than a plain one with 5 lines of text.


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Other distinguishable features include a lithe and slender, hair and eyes full of bright colors, and sometimes, long pointed ears, not unlike elves.
I think you meant to say a lithe and slender body, and I dont think you can say "looking attractive" is a feature among fairies, especcially since 99% of all Felarya characters are drawn to look nice, with the others being the bad guys or cannon food. I can only remember seeing one Naga that had a little fat on her, and actually that made her stand out and look attractive compared to your average 90-60-90 Felaryan. So I would take that out, as well as the colours of hair and eyes. There have been black haired fairies with dark purple eyes as well, which wouldnt work anymore with your description and it doesnt really serve a purpose. Stick to the main body features that are genetically written in stone and if there are only very few, then thats ok as well.

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Tonorions in particular pose an enormous threat and are deemed to be the natural predator of fairies.
If I remember correctly, in Karbos manga subeta is perfectly capable of shrinking a tonorion. Besides... wouldnt they just grow larger than the tonorion and then step on it if needed? (unless its one of those fuckass huge ones, but again the manga showed the normal tonorion to be rather small combared to a large pred. Besides, how would an insect be immune to a fuckass fireball anyway? They might be immune to mind control and illusions and stuff like that, but I cant see why an insect should have protection against any magic.

The whole shrinking stuff seems well explained to me.

The social behaviour lacks any kind of reasoning in my eyes. You mention stuff, but dont give a reason WHY its happening or why its important / worth mentioning.

"Fairies are incredibly well organized". Why? you stated that they only live in the moment, not the future. You stated that they have myriads of different cultures and tribes whose main interests are fun and games. They give a shit about logic and only care about their emotions and needs, yet they place themselves under a ruler that is more calculating than them. Why would they even listen to his reasoning if logic and reason dont have a high value to them and they dont care about the consequences of their actions? So basically HOW can they be organized at all is not only not explained, but you give many points that would hinder if not prevent a proper organisation. Mostly because of this very nature:
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As such, what they consider as right or wrong often boils down to whether or not something will make them feel good right away.
This is basically THE stepping stone for anarchy. So unless you view anarchy as a surprisingly well working system, this contradicts other parts of your article - further explanation is needed.


"Most fairies are nude, but some wear accessories". That can be said about pretty much any predatory species. To make it worth mentioning you should state that fairies do that way more often than any other species.


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On the other hand, this also means that fairies see little wrong in shrinking and eating tinies.
I think you want to replace tinies with victims or something because this seems off and suggests they mainly feed on tinies.

About the "Race" vs "Species" aspect, you should know that a race is a subcategory of species. Some want to believe that there are several human races, but everyone agrees there is only one human species. Same for dogs, cats, blablabla. I would personally refer to the correct word as species, but I doubt anyone really cares as the meaning itself is still transferred.
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PostSubject: Re: Fairy Revision   Fairy Revision Icon_minitimeTue Oct 28, 2014 10:22 am

I don't like to break multiple responses into quotes, because then we get massive paragraphs in quote format and everything becomes impossible to read.  So I'll try to address your points without them.

The slender body thing and such are really there to draw parallels between fairies and elves.  Though looking back on it, I could reword it better, you're right.  When it comes to hair and eye color, the same can apply to elves, where some elves do have dark hair and eye color.  Really, I the general idea is that the color tone for their hair and eyes is often brighter than humans'.

I never read the doujins (yes, they're doujins because they're self-published independent work), but I would personally call bullcrap on that for a few reasons.  Here are a few quotes from the wiki:

Da Wiki wrote:
Tonorions naturally emit an anti-magic aura, strong enough that only a very powerful offensive spell caster can hope to harm them magically.

Da Wiki wrote:
They are agile and can run with great speed and strike in the blink of an eye.

Da Wiki wrote:
Size: 40 to 120 feet long

And that's not even getting into the fact that Tonorions are supposed to be nocturnal predators.  Furthermore, the original article about fairies outright state that many Felaryan insects are highly resistant against magic.  Why?  I don't know, I guess that's just how Karbo likes it.  The point is, such a feat should be impossible.  If Subeta was this powerful, she could shrink Crisis to human size no problem.

As for organization, as I said, they form packs and tribes.  Throughout history they have come together to fight a common enemy.  They often stick together instead, unlike other predators who are generally loners.  It's obviously not as organized as humans, but the point is that they show a more organized group mentality than most people would think.  The leader thing is really an observation I made with Karbo's fairies.  Temi is the most levelheaded of the group and, by all rights, the least fairy like in terms of behavior, and yet she's apparently the leader of the pack because of it.  If that's not how it works, then Karbo's free to remove it.

The part with fairies following their emotions and how they base right and wrong is just me trying to summarize Stabs' article.  You can read the original piece on the wiki and try to make sense out of him.  To me, it all boils down to they have a hedonistic mindset and they like friends.

The "most fairies are need but some wear accessories" is another observation that it looks like fairies do that more often than other predator races.  Not everything I wrote in my neko and elf revision made it, so stuff like that probably won't either.

The "they see no wrong in shrinking a tiny" is something Karbo said a while back that fairies would indeed do that.  It's probably going to get greased along with other things if this replaces the current article.


Anyway, about your article, I actually should give it a look.  The reason why I didn't look at it sooner, aside from the comment about shrinking magic, which is what compelled me to write this, may make you angry.  Simply put, I think Felarya has too many races in its wiki, so I am always skeptical when a new race pop up.  Think about it, half of the "minor races" are never used, in fact it wouldn't surprise me if people aren't even aware they exist.  Most of them are generic creatures with insubstantial descriptions, basically boiling down to being half chick, half animal du jour.  Some of them are really just cousin species of "major" races.  Hell, even among the major races, you rarely see sphinxes and centaurs, and I know for sure nobody cares about the bee people.  Let's not even start with Tinies, they're unquestionably just fodder for nekos and small nagas.

So yeah, I didn't read your idea because I'm skeptical about new races.  I'll try to be less close-minded in the future, but I just can't help thinking that the races section needs to be trimmed down.
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PostSubject: Re: Fairy Revision   Fairy Revision Icon_minitimeTue Oct 28, 2014 11:18 am

I see, well, I guess most issues I named could be cleared and clarified with a little rewording here and there then. :3

I am not sure if my previous post made it clear, but apart from the social category which is hard to grasp if not outright contradicting itself in my view, it is well done, especcially the relationship and size changing magic. If it is superior to stabs text and should or should not replace it I dont know since i havent read his stuff yet, I was only reviewing this article by itself. I might read his as well and then add another comment sometime later though, if youre interested in my opinion on that.



About the "new" race you're not so fond of: Well, my reynke are basically not new as they have been in the wiki already as Kitsune, whose name Karbo disliked, they just lacked any text as all there was was "under construction", so I dont think your criticism on me adding NEW stuff applies here. I'm just the first to flesh it out and give it a description.
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PostSubject: Re: Fairy Revision   Fairy Revision Icon_minitimeTue Oct 28, 2014 11:45 am

Once again, an admirable job on Shady's part. First off, since everyone probably knows by now how I feel about game balance, I do like how the shrinking magic has been described this time around. It really takes away the feeling that it trumps any other kind of magic or ability, and puts some rules on it to make it less convenient to balance it's usefulness.

Somehow, I'd like to see how they take to kinds of magic outside of size-shifting elaborated on further. Like how Amaroq stated in his article that Reynkes tend to focus on one specific kind of magic and master it into an art form. By comparison, would fairies (generally, since in the end it really is up to the individual) be more flexible in their studies/practice and be more adept at learning several different kinds of magic, though being masters of none? Are there any other kinds of magic other than size-shifting that come naturally to fairies, like levitating items or making barriers? Or do individual fairies have an affinity for a particular kind of magic, similar to nagas?

And for that matter, how do they relate to technology? We know there is at least one fairy out there who can make complex trapping mechanisms, assumedly using whatever sticks and vines are available to her in the wilderness, but is that unusual for fairies or is a comparable level of ingenuity something the majority of fairies learn at some point in their life? I can imagine them crafting basic tools and mechanisms to make life easier for them, especially in the case of those living in Kortiki Town or some other settlement.

Also, I think there could be more elaborated on in race relations. Is fairykind on bad terms with any specific other sapient races? And what do they think about different fairy subspecies, if anything?
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PostSubject: Re: Fairy Revision   Fairy Revision Icon_minitimeTue Oct 28, 2014 12:12 pm

Pretty sure I made things clear, so here's to deconstructing them even further.

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Magic is as natural to fairies as breathing. They are almost all born with magical power and learn how to cast spells at an incredibly young age. Like elves, they have an innate talent and understanding toward more complex magic arts like magic-based and primordial magic
Yes, I do reckon that fairies are flexible in their studies/practices and be more adept in different kinds of magic.

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As they grow older, fairies often develop an affinity toward a specific type of magic, not unlike how a human develops a talent in a certain field with age.
Yes, I do think this means fairy often focus in a particular type of magic.

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Since fairies are very reliant on magic, they fear predatory insects as many Felaryan species of insects possess a high resistance to magic.
Given that fairies rely a lot on magic, I don't think they rely on technology much because they haven't found a way to deal against bugs.

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Since they often grow up surrounded with other fairies, playing games and being friendly with each other, they instinctively assume that other fairies, even strangers, are the same.

Fairies get along very well with dryads, as they are naturally comfortable around trees and they and are always eager to learn about various stories of faraway lands. It's not uncommon for a fairy to bring preys she caught to her dryad friend, who often gives them a specially grown fruit in return. Fairies are usually very fond of fruits grown by dryads, thinking they are much tastier than normal fruits. Fairies also get along quite well with deerataurs thanks to their connection with nature, who see the little winged humanoids as spirits of nature and thus act friendly to them. Their most interesting relationship however is with elementals. For some reason, many fairies choose to mate with them instead of other fairies. This results in a great number of crossbreeds, who are often much more dangerous than their parent species.
Pretty sure this means that yes, yes they do get along well with other races and other kinds of fairies.


Just so that we're all on the same page, just because an article write something that way doesn't mean it's the one and only way it happens with no deviations whatsoever. It's okay for a fairy to not have antennae and be somewhat of a gearhead like Melany. It's okay for a fairy to not be that emotional like Temi. It's okay for a fairy to be a vegetarian (I think) like Aya. The exception proves the rule means that specific cases proves a general rule. I seem to have this weird tendency to have people assume that whatever I write is to be taken to the letter for some reason.
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PostSubject: Re: Fairy Revision   Fairy Revision Icon_minitimeTue Oct 28, 2014 1:14 pm

I wasn't taking anything to the letter, I just wanted to hear more about it. Although to be fair, I replied a day or two after I originally read the article, so I forgot some things, like that part about older fairies developing an affinity to a certain type, and then asked about it when it was already there, so that's on me.

I don't think you understand what I mean by technology. I'm not talking about weapons or defenses, I'm talking about simple mechanisms, like levers or inclined planes. I don't really like to assume anything, and you always seem to be of the mind that more detail is better, so I thought I could at least spark a little conversation about it, even if nothing gets added to the article itself. I want to talk about how well the general populace of fairies might be working with their hands and constructing things without the use of magic, and what level of 'technology' their society(ies) might be on. Have they discovered window latches? Do they make wells? Can they craft houses out of stone? That kind of thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Fairy Revision   Fairy Revision Icon_minitimeTue Oct 28, 2014 1:27 pm

It's quite obvious they have low technology. They are literally natural-born casters, almost everything technology does, their magic is often an appropriate substitute. Some tribes may have somewhat more advanced tech like the Crimson Maidens, but they're the exception, not the rule, and I'm willing to wager they're no more advanced than wood elves are.


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PostSubject: Re: Fairy Revision   Fairy Revision Icon_minitimeTue Oct 28, 2014 3:08 pm

obvious?

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/b/2013/127/0/0e8840f821aadf161b21f09eed8782c2-pjkcsl.jpg

Looks like some of them are at ancient egypt level at the very least (going by their usage of glass containers, though their useage of books say late Roman) so they are capable of building into trees, which would require tools and workmanship. But most importantly is that they apprantly must have blacksmiths and other workstations.

Even if they stole/were given all that gear...they still need fine skills to cut into a tree, fit the shelfs and everything else....unless magic does that?

I know Temi lives near Kortiki town, but she doesn't actually live in it...she lives in the fairy kingdom, meaning that a good part of the fairy kingdom must also be this advanced.
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PostSubject: Re: Fairy Revision   Fairy Revision Icon_minitimeTue Oct 28, 2014 4:36 pm

You're wrong.  Remember, the friendship between the humans of Kortiki Town is such that those humans would be willing to mow down patches of feyweed so that their friends don't have to deal with it. I doubt feyweeds grow close to the town, so they'd have to go quite a ways away to find some. And since Temi lives so close and is such a good healer, it's only in their best interest for to craft tools for her, make her a bed for her patients, and all that jazz. Maybe that's how it happened, but because of how close she is to Kortiki Town, that picture isn't good evidence that fairies as a whole craft stuff like that on a daily basis.  Furthermore, even if we assume that it wasn't humans who carved the houses, it's just as plausible that fairies did it with magic. Literally, magic is their first answer to everything, it only makes sense since being natural-born casters is their entire shtick.

Anyway, let's drop this technology nonsense, I've updated the first post.
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PostSubject: Re: Fairy Revision   Fairy Revision Icon_minitimeTue Oct 28, 2014 6:44 pm

Since you seem so uninterested in the rest of the feedback you've been offered, I'll just say this.

 
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Like elves, they have an innate talent and understanding toward more complex magic arts like magic-based and primordial magic,

What is "magic-based" magic? Or did you mean "rule-based"?
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PostSubject: Re: Fairy Revision   Fairy Revision Icon_minitimeTue Oct 28, 2014 7:29 pm

Fixed. Look, I apologize for getting mad earlier, but really, this whole tech level debate shouldn't have happened in the first place.
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PostSubject: Re: Fairy Revision   Fairy Revision Icon_minitimeTue Oct 28, 2014 8:16 pm

I don't think that's up to you to decide. I think, when you submit work like this, you should be a little more open to the feedback you receive, and if a good percentage of the people who take the time to attempt to help broaden your idea are looking for a little more info on something which, in your opinion, is obvious, then, I think, you might benefit from entertaining the idea that maybe it isn't as obvious as you think, and might elaborate on the subject further, or at the very least humor their curiosity without slinging put-downs and insulting their intelligence so that, in the future, they'll still be willing to comment on your work because they see you as someone who will actually appreciate their input.

But that's just my opinion. For now, I accept your apology, and will stop pestering you about the subject.
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PostSubject: Re: Fairy Revision   Fairy Revision Icon_minitimeWed Oct 29, 2014 8:40 am

Alright, I'll address this technology thing so it can end on a less bitter note. When it comes to the average, standard fairy tribe or pack, I don't see them craft tools or weapons very often and, and they'd probably be the simplest tools imaginable. Something like a crank and such seems rather unnecessary hard work when a simple levitation spell would probably work fine. The way I see it, Melany and most of Kortiki Town are exceptions to the rule.
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PostSubject: Re: Fairy Revision   Fairy Revision Icon_minitimeSat Nov 01, 2014 10:49 am

Hmmm... maybe we can elaborate on their relationship with technology, then. How about pointing out fairies don't see technology as something that could ever be practical, and their relationship with it usually tends to emphasize that: Melany makes devices out of pure vanity (and she even calls them "art"), Lucilya thinks googles make good anklets, and in the wild, fairies overall see human tools as random collectibles more than implements.

If you can figure out how to say "most fairies think technology is for toys" in just one sentence, it should not detract much from the article, while also adding +1 character/story hooks to it.

Edit: Also, Amaroq is right. There should be a way to make more obvious what is it that prevents fairies from descending into anarchy, and allows them to maintain some level of organization. I'd blame it on the fact that while whimsical, fairies are considerate of their friends to some degree, and try to act responsibly so as to do them no wrong, not to hamper or harm them. Most often, the easiest way to do this would be to appoint the smartest one as a leader, and let them solve the arguments.

You just need to find a way to say "Fairies like their freedom, but they love their friends more, and can keep their whims in check long enough to function in small groups. One or two fairies, not always the most level-headed ones, tend to unoficially lead the group." in a single sentence. There'll be emphasis on "small", though- the less organization, the smaller the group, for obvious reasons.

And no worries, change is the only universal constant. My article was there, and we all had our fun with it. Just make sure yours a worthy successor.

For now I don't have time to say more. See ya.
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PostSubject: Re: Fairy Revision   Fairy Revision Icon_minitimeSat Nov 01, 2014 3:55 pm

Alright, I changed a few things here and there, thanks for the feedback. I changed the wording from anarchy to chaos because chaos and anarchy are not the same thing, even if they're not mutually exclusive. Anarchy means "without leaders", not "without order". By that definition, most of Felarya is already an anarchy.
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PostSubject: Re: Fairy Revision   Fairy Revision Icon_minitimeTue Nov 04, 2014 1:44 am

That's another nice job Smile
I think there are some little areas to tweak here and there but it's solid and a big improvement on the base article. I also agree that infos about fairies are better gathered into one place.
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PostSubject: Re: Fairy Revision   Fairy Revision Icon_minitimeTue Nov 04, 2014 11:53 am

Thanks, but I'm curious, what are those areas to tweak here and there and what are those tweaks we're talking about?
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PostSubject: Re: Fairy Revision   Fairy Revision Icon_minitimeFri Nov 14, 2014 2:38 pm

Essentially I'm going to keep some elements of the parts you replaced like fairy magic and their pshychology, make it more inclusive. But for all the rest I'm going to keep your text just as you wrote it with just some minor changes of purely form here and there.  It just works  really well as it is ^^
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