Vore Preferances

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L'Ryn wrote:

I'd like an explanation as to why Raison struck you as a cutout villain when he really wasn't supposed to be as such.

L'Ryn wrote:

He was a psychopath with no reason other then a lust for blood.

Answered your own question there, broski.

As I said, One dimensional villains are fun for a while, but they lose appeal pretty quickly. And while I didn't say it, I really didn't like the 'fawns over unattractive normal girl' stuff. It's too similar to the common fangirl dream of being doted on by a spastic psycotic emoboy like Sephiroth or Itachi or whatever.

L'Ryn wrote:

Unless you're just saying he's a cardboard cut out villain because he didn't have tits, a weird vagina, and a sexy femme fatale personality. Because then he'd just be a cardboard cutout Vivian. Would that appeal to your dick more?

Jew wrote:

Other turn-offs are overly slutty characters

Yeah because I don't like Psyco Prettyboi M'gee I must be a shallow baby and only ever like one kind of character
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Jew wrote:

Answered your own question there, broski.

Okay, Jew. This is my personal take on the matter; You seem to be implying that the generic attributes given to villains in other contexts carry over with their same implication in tact in a place such as Felarya. However, Felarya is different by default due to it's inherent gray-on-gray morality system. At the core of things, regardless of how cutesy predator characters come off to be, they are essentially large death-engines, but given human sentience that we can relate to. Couple this with the fact that their commonly depicted prey of choice seems to be normal human beings, and you have a strange dimension in which people are left unsure of which side they're going to sit with.

Because of this, trying to label anyone as a "cut-out villain" in Felarya would be far from plausible because such a creature as Raison is simply fulfilling his natural role: Being a predator and by extent taking the life of his prey in order to preserve his own existence, hence the apparent blood lust. Now, in all realism (as dumb as it may be trying to put realism in Felarya), most predators would indeed be more likely to be similar in nature to Raison as apposed to "Supah-kawaii-desu" Crisis. L'ryn was simply trying to depict the more likely true nature of things, and the embodiment of this attempt was, in short, Raison.

Couple natural tendency with the personality development that comes bundles with human grade sentience, and you have the potential for what most would perceive as an utterly evil thing. But as I have said, we cannot be so quick to label any one thing bad due to the primal factor that counter-balances it.

Now, onto you calling him one dimensional: This would also be incorrect because Raison is indeed capable of caring for things in spite of both his nature and demeanor. D'etre (I am unsure of spelling on that name) is one example of his ability to transcend what you call his "One dimensional" aspect. So, that's just a flawed argument premise from the get-go.

Lastly, you refer to him as "Shallow prettyboi Mcgee". I have already given an example that does much to disprove your "Shallow" label, and as for "prettyboi"; You are quite aware that the natural properties of Felarya cause most creatures to never age past a certain prime, meaning that they don't show the negative physical signs of age in most cases. You may be about to retort to this saying that such a thing wouldn't make him appear so feminine, but you must also remember that the appearance was partly intended to jab at the common appearance of true Female nagas. (I.E) Free of blemishes and pretty much perfect in most regards)


Oh, and on another note; Could you be a gentlemen and cease sounding so very arrogant in your point-making? I am not saying that you are incorrect all of the time, and I am not saying you aren't intelligent. But I've noticed some talk about the community of a general dislike for you that is in part caused by aforementioned arrogance. Half your statements seem to be psuedo-insults in themselves, broski. You'd receive more respect if you could kindly correct this issue.


-HerpDerp Warrior wuz here

hmmm this subject is interesting to me you know? Well for starters, like most of us here I do in fact prefer Female preds as opposed to male, and GTS is a good thing too since it adds slight more plausability to the event happening, same-size is ok, and a reverse GTS would make me go "whut?" yet I'd still get a bit of a laugh out of it. Soft Vore is my most prefered of the lot, Hard Vore and UB are also ok with me depending on how well it's written or in the case of Hard Vore just how gory it is (I do have a line between "RAWWWR CARNAGE!!!" and "sir or madam that is just sick and uncouth". AV and CV are right out though and if I encounter it I'll probably start trying to bleach myself. Digestion I am perfectly fine with, it's not like if you get eaten a pred's stomach is just going to turn off so you can just chill... That just makes no sense! You get eaten and you get digested, that's what's going to happen unless you can find a way out in time. Post digestion (ie bathroom trips) no I don't like that... There's a reason a bathroom is a private room, cause I don't want to know what goes on in there! If you want to make a passing reference that's ok, but too much detail and I'm off to the hills. Example: The pred went to the bathroom now that she's done with her meal = ok. *7 paragraph expose on just what's going on in the bathroom* = *mouth frothing seziure*

Now that the nitty gritty on what I can stand is out of the way. My true preference is in that I like to associate humor with what I like, if you can make vore funny then I will gladly enjoy it. Karbo's got the hang of it with some of the 4koma he's made. It's also interesting to take something that others would consider "gross" and "distrubing" and then suddenly make them laugh is a lovely sight indeed

Warrior3000 wrote:

Okay, Jew. This is my personal take on the matter; You seem to be implying that the generic attributes given to villains in other contexts carry over with their same implication in tact in a place such as Felarya. However, Felarya is different by default due to it's inherent gray-on-gray morality system. At the core of things, regardless of how cutesy predator characters come off to be, they are essentially large death-engines, but given human sentience that we can relate to. Couple this with the fact that their commonly depicted prey of choice seems to be normal human beings, and you have a strange dimension in which people are left unsure of which side they're going to sit with.

Well said. I don't like stories that expect you to side with the predators from the start, it's assuming too much. A character you're able to side with even while they kill innocent randoms has to have done something right.

Warrior3000 wrote:

Because of this, trying to label anyone as a "cut-out villain" in Felarya would be far from plausible because such a creature as Raison is simply fulfilling his natural role: Being a predator and by extent taking the life of his prey in order to preserve his own existence, hence the apparent blood lust. Now, in all realism (as dumb as it may be trying to put realism in Felarya), most predators would indeed be more likely to be similar in nature to Raison as apposed to "Supah-kawaii-desu" Crisis. L'ryn was simply trying to depict the more likely true nature of things, and the embodiment of this attempt was, in short, Raison.

I understand the idea behind Raison's character, and I'm all for it. But Raison isn't just a guy doing what he has to in order to survive, he rips off his prey's limbs, makes them watch while he rips their friends to pieces, basically goes out of his way to cause suffering. Some other predators tease their prey and let them think they can escape before eating them, and that's bad enough, but it doesn't seem to have the same pointless malovelence behind it - Crisis seems more like she's doing something she knows is naughty but doesn't see it as THAT naughty, whereas Raison is more like a typical bully, torturing people just because he can.

Warrior3000 wrote:

Now, onto you calling him one dimensional: This would also be incorrect because Raison is indeed capable of caring for things in spite of both his nature and demeanor. D'etre (I am unsure of spelling on that name) is one example of his ability to transcend what you call his "One dimensional" aspect. So, that's just a flawed argument premise from the get-go.

To be honest his 'relationship' with the girl seems really tacked on to me, and overly similar to the fantasies of many teenage girls. Here's a character that's very similar to Raison, but I adore - Hannibal Lecter. He's intelligent, insane and needlessly cruel, but has a soft spot for Clarisse Starling, who seems one of his only ties to humanity left. Raison, however, only seems to have minimal personality past his shock/horror value. Hannibal's murderous nature seemed all the more real and horrifying in comparison to how calm and polite he normally was, but aside from Detre, and that isn't much, Raison is basically just attempts to shock people and/or ruin their fantasies.

Warrior3000 wrote:

Lastly, you refer to him as "Shallow prettyboi Mcgee". I have already given an example that does much to disprove your "Shallow" label, and as for "prettyboi"; You are quite aware that the natural properties of Felarya cause most creatures to never age past a certain prime, meaning that they don't show the negative physical signs of age in most cases. You may be about to retort to this saying that such a thing wouldn't make him appear so feminine, but you must also remember that the appearance was partly intended to jab at the common appearance of true Female nagas. (I.E) Free of blemishes and pretty much perfect in most regards)

Sure, I don't expect Raison to have wrinkles and sunspots. But why the complete lack of testosterone? Felarya's soil didn't seem to create a hormonal imbalance with Alvar, Voidfingers or Telekine. Still, I'll admit to being a bit biased against most Bishonen, because most of the girls I've met who like them are overly defensive and take any insults to them as a personal attack. Try and post a negative remark on Deviantart about Sphiroth, I dare you.

I know that he was created as a jab at the typical cute predators, but to be honest that rubs me up the wrong way. I'm not saying its wrong to parody things, but Raison just seems to have been made only to spite people who like most of the stuff Felarya stands for, which comes off as a bit agressive to me.

Warrior3000 wrote:

Oh, and on another note; Could you be a gentlemen and cease sounding so very arrogant in your point-making? I am not saying that you are incorrect all of the time, and I am not saying you aren't intelligent. But I've noticed some talk about the community of a general dislike for you that is in part caused by aforementioned arrogance. Half your statements seem to be psuedo-insults in themselves, broski. You'd receive more respect if you could kindly correct this issue.

True, but Miss L'ryn was hardly polite either. She apparently didn't bother to read my previous post about what I liked (most of which were traits Raison has and most predators lack) and assumed that I didn't like Raison because I couldn't get off to him or was offended by him. Thanks for the advice anyway, though.

Well, since I'm not reposting all of that which will be needlessly page stretching, I'd like to defend my old character some more with a fairly plausible reason to his appearance.


In the animal kingdom, there is something called 'mimicry'. Animals will mimic other animals, like for example to avoid predation. You could say Raison looks 'feminine' so as to look less threatening to his prey, which we have deduced is mostly made up of sweet sweet widdle innocent nagi. Raison also is not built like say, Monty, because while Monty does indeed live in trees, he tends to push his way through branches and cause quite a ruckus. Raison is thin because he would rely on stealth moreso then brute strength, overpowering his opponents by surprise.

Now while you may see the psychotic and very unhealthy relationship as tacked on, I see it as an interesting sort of twist. He cares for her because she's relatively blind and willing to ignore all his faults and focus on the very very few good qualities he has, as a method of survival. Having a large 'mate' has assured her safety, and what he gets out of it is a sense of 'well-being'. What sort of well-being? Well, that's up to the reader to figure out.

Yes, while you may see Crisis as being 'naughty' I see her as that bitchy girl who texts 'friendly' insults to people and teasingly will spread rumors about her friends because their wriggles are just so kawaii ^-^
The fact that you call Raison a 'bully' is completely and utterly true. Because how else do you survive in a bastard world other then bullying the weaker? Torture? Just asserting the dominance that some men feel the need to show. Killing their friends? Awesome, more food, more ego fodder!

In my opinion, Raison isn't terribly pretty, he's evolved into a more androgynous sort of figure in a sort of grotesque manner. But you'll disagree with this and ask why does he have long hair? Maybe because he just doesn't care about cutting it? A chunk rips off? Oh well, it doesn't matter. Why does Crisis have long golden flowing locks of perfectly shampooed hair?

I can see why you dislike the character because of all his perceived flaws, a lot of people disliked him, even Karbo dislikes him. But I personally have thought he was a fairly good character. Not the best, but this is Felarya, no one is shooting to craft the next great Odysseys, they just want to see pretty girls eat smaller pretty girls.

He knows what he does is considered 'evil', but he points out the comparative evil of the other giants. He knows he's killing people, Crisis and co just think they're adorable wriggly snacks. A 'pot calling the kettle black'. He continues because of the same reason a typical serial killer would... he enjoys it. And Crisis enjoys torturing her food because it's 'naughty'.
Which is more cruel, being killed by something that regards you as human, or something that regards you as a tiny widdle adorable snack in silly wrappings? ^-^


You're not supposed to sympathize with Raison. He's a predator of emotions and flesh. The end. Bad character? In your opinion, maybe. But I think characters who baawwww because their sister with a fatal case of puenomia dies and go on rampages, or characters who lose their parents to murderous thugs, or characters who lose a loved one etc etc ad nauseum, get overdone. I just wanted to try a somewhat fresh style of character I had never made before.

Jew, which is a horrible name you know, do you have green skin too? I'm a rude person to everyone, that's what happens when you spend two years on /b/, going up against Scientologists, annoying CWC's parents, and realizing that reality is a cold harsh bitch who sits in a leaking attic figuring out ways to make everyone miserable.

L'Ryn wrote:

Jew, which is a horrible name you know, do you have green skin too? I'm a rude person to everyone, that's what happens when you spend two years on /b/, going up against Scientologists, annoying CWC's parents, and realizing that reality is a cold harsh bitch who sits in a leaking attic figuring out ways to make everyone miserable.

You post on an imageboard, wear a mask and stand around chanting memes and harass a functionally retarded man and his aged parents/carers, one of whom just got out of hospital. Clearly I am out of my league.

I don't like your character. Walls of texts won't make me like him, and considering you don't seem to write about him anymore I have no idea why you think it really matters.

Is there any chance we can turn this thread back into "Vore Preferances" instead of essays about your character?

Alright, guys, while I'm probably well aware that I'm preaching to the choir, I'd absolutely love if the arguing was dropped in favor if a more civil conversation. T__T

AisuKaiko wrote:

Alright, guys, while I'm probably well aware that I'm preaching to the choir, I'd absolutely love if the arguing was dropped in favor if a more civil conversation. T__T

You're absoloutely right. I never would have posted that comment if I knew anyone would get so pissed about it. Sorry.

Jew wrote:

You're absoloutely right. I never would have posted that comment if I knew anyone would get so pissed about it. Sorry.

No, wait, do that again, Jew, I have a theory. Now say you don't like Terror.

Stabs wrote:

No, wait, do that again, Jew, I have a theory. Now say you don't like Terror.

I'm fine with Terror. She's different from the norm without being obnoxiously so, and funny and interesting too. The only thing I'm not wild about is how she's an author insert, but since she's done well I can live with that.

Jew wrote:

Stabs wrote:

No, wait, do that again, Jew, I have a theory. Now say you don't like Terror.

I'm fine with Terror. She's different from the norm without being obnoxiously so, and funny and interesting too. The only thing I'm not wild about is how she's an author insert, but since she's done well I can live with that.

Was an author insert. She's currently being revamped to remove that, her wiki page being under construction. But yes, Terror is a character I very much like due to the reasons stated.

I like pretty much everything except cockvore. Ugh.

I am ok with male preds, hardvore, the works beyond that. Although I do sometimes question when there is same size vore with the predator stretching to impossible ends without any prior mention of the ability to do so or explanation.

I like Raison's smile. Reminds me of berzerk Siva...sort of. I do love that girl when she's angry. Siva that is. Although Raison could pass for one form time to time it seems.

Now that I've written a few stories with vore, I guess I'll put this here.

*adjusts glasses & coughs*

Vore is very much NOT a sexual thing for me. However, I am truly astounded by it's incredible potential as a writing device and the concept of it even outside of writing is very interesting.

I don't see it as a fetish, but I do have some aesthetic/artistic preferences.

Predator: Either is fine, but female is slightly better because of the kind of attitude female preds usually have. Women are seen as gentler (and, my apologies, but they usually are) and I am not big on violence.

Prey: Either is fine, but I lean slightly towards male, because I'm male and, as a coward, I can empathize with prey and their fear more.

Physical Type: I consider "vore" to be oral, strictly limited to eating, and nothing else. I'll read any story with just about anything in it because I am very hard to disturb and I love to read, but you will never, ever find anything even vaguely related to UB, CV, AV, or anything other than the mouth. (Besides Thatris Jibbs squirming into a pred's ear, behind their eye, or into their lungs, but that doesn't count.) If you put anything like that in a story, it HAS to be well-written for me to read it. I rate stories based on being good, not on content.

Macro/micro is much preferred, because the stretching of the stomach and jaw is just . . . really awkward. (Thatris again appears as an exception to the rule, because he can squeeze down a same-size being's throat as he's boneless. Again, this doesn't really count)

Hard or Soft: Hardvore is fine. I'm not a violent person, but I love horror and gore doesn't bother me at all. Softvore, however, I greatly prefer. It allows for a lot more interaction between pred and prey, which means more emotional development and therefore a better story.

Emotional Type: I see the emotional part of vore as being of four types, somewhat similar to DeliciousKevin.

Hunting: This is basically the same as Kevin's Vicious. The prey is being hunted and/or played with, with either a malicious or (more often) mischievous attitude on the part of the pred. This is usually how a pred that is hungry or feeling especially energetic/playful will act. It can be good for a story if done right.

Non-consensual: This is the most common type. The pred is gentle, even nice, but they are still intending to eat the prey. Prey is not willing, either trying to escape or despairing or acceptant. I use this a lot because it has the conflict of fear/sadness and happiness. Excellent for character development and insight in a story.

Consensual: This is when the prey is willing, and lets the pred eat them. However, this is more like Kevin's cuddly vore in that the pred is still seeing the person as food. I don't use this much because the emotion is one-sided and it is basically like happy suicide. It can still be useful as a literary device, though.

Love: This is the kind I have the most attachment to, because it is so, well, its rather beautiful. It is a very intimate kind of relationship. The pred and prey are either close friends or lovers, and the prey and pred both want to make each other happy, the pred by giving the prey a nice, warm and comfy place to rest and relax, and the prey by tasting good to the pred and filling up their stomach. Digestion does not happen. No death is involved. The prey has to have absolute trust in the pred that they will spit them up, or somehow stop digestion. Excellent tool for stories because it is so complex.

Myself: Outside of stories, vore is interesting on an aesthetic level for me. I'd not be a pred, since killing anything living makes me feel awful (You know that kid who cried when they accidentally crushed a bug? Yeah, that was me). I'd be okay as a spectator, because while I hate to kill anything, I don't mind seeing things killed in front of me (Yes, I'm weird). Prey would be fine, but only if I didn't get digested. I think it'd be kind of comfortable in there, but I'd rather not get melted by acid and liquified, thank you very much.

So, there it is. It's basically an artistic thing for me.

*sits back down*

I totally agree with the "Love" type, Mr Nobody.

Vore is interest of mine but I don't find it sexual at all. I remember being into vore before I even recognized it.

Although I enjoy reading the Felarya manga, I find it to be an extremely twisted invention. In the way its presented, its sugar coated murder. Its page after page of total disregard for human life wrapped in a cute little package.
Its really no better or worse than anything else that depicts the other horrible ways people can die in comics. I find hardvore to be a little more humane than softvore because the death is usually more quick and the mental anguish isn't as severe.
It actually jacked my mind up the first time I read the mangas. Its been five weeks since I've last eaten meat and I don't plan on changing my new diet any time soon. I can't stand the thought of killing to eat right now.

Crisis is a cute character but her lack of understanding of human life turns me off. I'd rather have predators with Anko's logic and fully understand their actions.

Having said that, I still enjoy reading it. I especially look forward to seeing how the story unfolds with Ramtov and Thas.